Illinois police officer begged for her life before being shot dead

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"On May 29, 2020, the country was told that the autopsy of George Floyd “revealed no physical findings that support a diagnosis of traumatic asphyxiation” and that “potential intoxicants” and preexisting cardiovascular disease “likely contributed to his death.” This requires clarification. These.................................."
The authors of the SA article, apparently, disagree but they weren't the ones who did the autopsy. The SA article also made no mention of Floyd's 98% oxygen level.
George Floyd's Autopsy and the Structural Gaslighting of America - Scientific American Blog Network

Homicide does not necessarily mean murder.
Every murder is a homicide, but not every homicide is a murder | Zucker, Steinberg & Wixted (zswlaw.com)

 

[rogerdodger]

"On May 29, 2020, the country was told that the autopsy of George Floyd “revealed no physical findings that support a diagnosis of traumatic asphyxiation” and that “potential intoxicants” and preexisting cardiovascular disease “likely contributed to his death.” This requires clarification. These.................................."
The authors of the SA article, apparently, disagree but they weren't the ones who did the autopsy. The SA article also made no mention of Floyd's 98% oxygen level.
George Floyd's Autopsy and the Structural Gaslighting of America - Scientific American Blog Network

Homicide does not necessarily mean murder.
Every murder is a homicide, but not every homicide is a murder | Zucker, Steinberg & Wixted (zswlaw.com)

The authors of the SA article quoted the results of 2 separate medical examinations. "—one by the Hennepin County Medical Examiner’s Office and the other by private doctors commissioned by Floyd’s family that ( both ) ruled the cause of death was homicide. " Does it get any more direct than that eh Darts ?

Floyd was clearly dead before he got to the ambulance . One is grasping at straws to say that blood oxygen levels is a clinical indicator in and by itself for mortality. It's only part of a blood profile. Blood Oxygen levels will vary depending on where the sample is taken so it's an unreliable single metric to use . No coroner would use it as a sole guide. So by itself it doesn't really mean shit. Don't think so ? Check out the link below .

Evaluation of post-mortem oxymetry with reference to the causes of death

They were getting very high Oxyhemoglobin (O2-Hb) levels in completely dead people. Your argument is toast.

Evaluation of post-mortem oxymetry with reference to the causes of death - PubMed

We examined blood samples of 214 forensic autopsy cases, excluding fire victims, on a CO-oximeter system in order to evaluate post-mortem oxymetric profiles with reference to the causes of death. Oxyhemoglobin (O2-Hb) levels in the left and right heart blood, respectively, ranged from 0 to 97.7%...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

 

[danmand]

The authors of the SA article quoted the results of 2 separate medical examinations. "—one by the Hennepin County Medical Examiner’s Office and the other by private doctors commissioned by Floyd’s family that ( both ) ruled the cause of death was homicide. " Does it get any more direct than that eh Darts ?

Floyd was clearly dead before he got to the ambulance . One is grasping at straws to say that blood oxygen levels is a clinical indicator in and by itself for mortality. It's only part of a blood profile. Blood Oxygen levels will vary depending on where the sample is taken so it's an unreliable single metric to use . No coroner would use it as a sole guide. So by itself it doesn't really mean shit. Don't think so ? Check out the link below .

Evaluation of post-mortem oxymetry with reference to the causes of death

They were getting very high Oxyhemoglobin (O2-Hb) levels in completely dead people. Your argument is toast.

Evaluation of post-mortem oxymetry with reference to the causes of death - PubMed

We examined blood samples of 214 forensic autopsy cases, excluding fire victims, on a CO-oximeter system in order to evaluate post-mortem oxymetric profiles with reference to the causes of death. Oxyhemoglobin (O2-Hb) levels in the left and right heart blood, respectively, ranged from 0 to 97.7%...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Thanks for taking the time to look up the facts.

 

[Darts]

Some people/articles claimed Floyd died from a lack of oxygen (see Guardian article link below). 98% does not seem like a lack of oxygen.

"They were getting very high Oxyhemoglobin (O2-Hb) levels in completely dead people"
What is very high? Is it 98% and how often does it happen, or is it very rare and did those people died of asphyxiation as claimed in the Floyd case?

"A homicide requires only a volitional act that causes the death of another, and thus a homicide may result from accidental, reckless, or negligent acts even if there is no intent to cause harm.[2]" For example, if you (not you personally) ACCIDENTALLY bump into a person and he falls and dies, that is consider a homicide.

"George Floyd died from lack of oxygen caused by restraint, lung expert testifies | Minneapolis | The Guardian"
Homicide - Wikipedia

(How do I get rid of this damn red ink?)

 

[rogerdodger]

Some people/articles claimed Floyd died from a lack of oxygen (see Guardian article link below). 98% does not seem like a lack of oxygen.

"They were getting very high Oxyhemoglobin (O2-Hb) levels in completely dead people"
What is very high? Is it 98% and how often does it happen, or is it very rare and did those people died of asphyxiation as claimed in the Floyd case?

"A homicide requires only a volitional act that causes the death of another, and thus a homicide may result from accidental, reckless, or negligent acts even if there is no intent to cause harm.[2]" For example, if you (not you personally) ACCIDENTALLY bump into a person and he falls and dies, that is consider a homicide.

"George Floyd died from lack of oxygen caused by restraint, lung expert testifies | Minneapolis | The Guardian"
Homicide - Wikipedia

(How do I get rid of this damn red ink?)

Darts - did you read the article. ? I don't think so.

Prolonged strangulation (like for around 9 minutes for example) restricts brain blood flow. He also stated he couldn’t breathe with some of his last breaths, so his airway was restricted, too. This led to poor oxygen flow to the organs, which is what killed him.

However , Floyd was given extensive CPR. With CPR, given by health care personnel using oxygen, it is possible to raise oxygen saturation after organ damage has progressed beyond the point of reversibility. One hundred percent oxygen can raise the blood oxygen saturation, but it can’t reverse hypoxic organ damage. Strangulation cuts off the blood supply to your brain, not your lungs. Although I would have thought myself that he probably died of vagal inhibition. The vagus nerve is a big nerve in your neck, that influences your heartbeat.

There was nothing "accidental" about Chauvin's knee on Floyd's neck over the 9 minutes. For me and I reckon most others it was a horrible video to watch.

But feel free to cheer Chauvin onwards. Maybe you can visit him in prison some day.

 

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He also stated he couldn’t breathe with some of his last breaths, so his airway was restricted, too. Apparently, he was saying/shouting "I can't breathe" while still in the cop car.

However , Floyd was given extensive CPR. With CPR, given by health care personnel using oxygen, it is possible to raise oxygen saturation after organ damage has progressed beyond the point of reversibility. Where does it say he was given extensive oxygen?
One hundred percent oxygen can raise the blood oxygen saturation, but it can’t reverse hypoxic organ damage. Strangulation cuts off the blood supply to your brain, not your lungs. Although I would have thought myself that he probably died of vagal inhibition. The vagus nerve is a big nerve in your neck, that influences your heartbeat.
There was nothing "accidental" about Chauvin's knee on Floyd's neck over the 9 minutes.
For me and I reckon most others it was a horrible video to watch.

The medical examiner appeared to back the conclusion that Floyd was not asphyxiated -- listing a host of injuries absent in this case, in particular petechiae, or pinpoint-size red spots caused by broken blood vessels that can sometimes be a sign of asphyxiation.

Also highlighted in the report was that the autopsy failed to find "life-threatening" injuries in Floyd's neck near his head, spine, chest, brain, skull or related to the larynx.
Full autopsy out on Floyd, lists injuries; charges enhanced against 1 officer, filed on 3 others (arkansasonline.com)

 

[rogerdodger]

The medical examiner appeared to back the conclusion that Floyd was not asphyxiated -- listing a host of injuries absent in this case, in particular petechiae, or pinpoint-size red spots caused by broken blood vessels that can sometimes be a sign of asphyxiation.

Also highlighted in the report was that the autopsy failed to find "life-threatening" injuries in Floyd's neck near his head, spine, chest, brain, skull or related to the larynx.
Full autopsy out on Floyd, lists injuries; charges enhanced against 1 officer, filed on 3 others (arkansasonline.com)

Yep murderers filing the report. Unfortunately happens all the time .

 

[basketcase]

Are these guys still trying to claim that Chauvin was not guilty of murder or that the judge was in on some kind of conspiracy?

 

[Frankfooter]

Are these guys still trying to claim that Chauvin was not guilty of murder or that the judge was in on some kind of conspiracy?

And that systematic racism isn't a thing.

 

[Darts]

Are these guys still trying to claim that Chauvin was not guilty of murder or that the judge was in on some kind of conspiracy?

Just the facts. Here are 3 facts.
1) Floyd's oxygen level was 98%.
2) Floyd was not asphyxiated
3) autopsy failed to find "life-threatening" injuries in Floyd's neck near his head, spine, chest, brain, skull or related to the larynx.

Anyway, let the facts speak for themselves.

 

[Frankfooter]

Just the facts. Here are 3 facts.
1) Floyd's oxygen level was 98%.
2) Floyd was not asphyxiated
3) autopsy failed to find "life-threatening" injuries in Floyd's neck near his head, spine, chest, brain, skull or related to the larynx.

Anyway, let the facts speak for themselves.

Are you claiming that CPR and pumping 100% pure oxygen into a person won't change their oxygen levels?

 

[HungSowel]

IIRC, Chavin had over 20 complaints of police brutality filed against him, and Floyd was the 3rd guy he killed during an arrest.

 

[y2kmark]

This is a tragedy, plain and simple. Lord know's what provoked these idiots from executing the officer. But they will spend the rest of their days in prison.

The rest of their lives on the taxpayer dime. Due to the expense of enhanced housing and security they cost more per day than the average luxury resort.

No death penalty + lax gun control = murder rampage

Lock 'em up! Lock 'em up!~!!

 

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Floyd was already dead when the paramedics arrived.

I have yet to see a credible source say that pure oxygen was pumped into a dead Floyd and/or that would raise the oxygen level in an already dead person.

 

[Darts]

The debate continues.
EXPLAINER: Was officer's knee on Floyd's neck authorized? | AP News
Minneapolis Police Knee on Neck Policy Before Floyd Died | Heavy.com

 

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Question: Is it "systemic racism" if a store calls the cops when someone is trying to pay with fake money?

 

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The meaning of "homicide". In simple terms it is the killing of a human by another human.

Examples of people who have committed homicide are, inter-alia, Matthew Broderick, Julie Payette, Craig MacTacish, etc.

 

[jcpro]

Question: Is it "systemic racism" if a store calls the cops when someone is trying to pay with fake money?

No. And Chavin never got a fair trial, either, but that doesn't mean that he was innocent. The climate was such at the time that the guilty verdict had to be the only conclusion.

 

[Frankfooter]

Floyd was already dead when the paramedics arrived.

I have yet to see a credible source say that pure oxygen was pumped into a dead Floyd and/or that would raise the oxygen level in an already dead person.

If you haven't seen anything than you didn't look very hard, you're just operating on confirmation bias.
He still had a heart beat and EMS tried to revive him in the ambulance with a Lucas device.

Chauvin trial sees new graphic video of medics treating George Floyd

Jurors in Derek Chauvin's murder trial were shown shocking new images on Thursday of paramedics attempts to resuscitate George Floyd after he was loaded into an ambulance on May 25, 2020.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[rogerdodger]

If you haven't seen anything than you didn't look very hard, you're just operating on confirmation bias.
He still had a heart beat and EMS tried to revive him in the ambulance with a Lucas device.

Chauvin trial sees new graphic video of medics treating George Floyd

Jurors in Derek Chauvin's murder trial were shown shocking new images on Thursday of paramedics attempts to resuscitate George Floyd after he was loaded into an ambulance on May 25, 2020.

www.dailymail.co.uk

He DID NOT have a heartbeat

https://videos.dailymail.co.uk/video/mol/2021/04/01/6842582008104401545/960x540_MP4_6842582008104401545.mp4