The global energy crisis - Green fairy tales collide with reality

[Moviefan-2]

This Globe and Mail column from October by Eric Reguly should be required reading. Like it or not, fossil fuels are here for the long haul.

Opinion: The net-zero pledges are dubious. Burning fossil fuels for economic growth remains the priority

Economic self-interest remains the priority of many big emitters, and it’s doubtful that COP26 will change that appalling reality

www.theglobeandmail.com

 

[Frankfooter]

That's weather porn, not climate change.

To cite one of your favourite sources, the IPCC reported in 2018: "Even if there were no anthropogenic changes in climate, a wide variety of natural
weather and climate extremes would still occur." (Page 3: https://www.ipcc.ch/site/assets/uploads/2018/03/SREX-Chap3_FINAL-1.pdf)

Followed by pages of discussion of the types of changes we are seeing and the likelihood of more.
And of course you ignore the latest reports.

Climate change widespread, rapid, and intensifying – IPCC — IPCC

www.ipcc.ch

IIRC, 5 years ago you didn't even think the planet would hit 0.83ºC. Yet somehow you still think you're right this time.

The report shows that emissions of greenhouse gases from human activities are responsible for approximately 1.1°C of warming since 1850-1900, and finds that averaged over the next 20 years, global temperature is expected to reach or exceed 1.5°C of warming. This assessment is based on improved observational datasets to assess historical warming, as well progress in scientific understanding of the response of the climate system to human-caused greenhouse gas emissions.

• Climate change is intensifying the water cycle. This brings more intense rainfall and associated flooding, as well as more intense drought in many regions.
• Climate change is affecting rainfall patterns. In high latitudes, precipitation is likely to increase, while it is projected to decrease over large parts of the subtropics. Changes to monsoon precipitation are expected, which will vary by region.
• Coastal areas will see continued sea level rise throughout the 21st century, contributing to more frequent and severe coastal flooding in low-lying areas and coastal erosion. Extreme sea level events that previously occurred once in 100 years could happen every year by the end of this century.
• Further warming will amplify permafrost thawing, and the loss of seasonal snow cover, melting of glaciers and ice sheets, and loss of summer Arctic sea ice.
• Changes to the ocean, including warming, more frequent marine heatwaves, ocean acidification, and reduced oxygen levels have been clearly linked to human influence. These changes affect both ocean ecosystems and the people that rely on them, and they will continue throughout at least the rest of this century.
• For cities, some aspects of climate change may be amplified, including heat (since urban areas are usually warmer than their surroundings), flooding from heavy precipitation events and sea level rise in coastal cities.

 

[Moviefan-2]

And of course you ignore the latest reports.

Climate change widespread, rapid, and intensifying – IPCC — IPCC

www.ipcc.ch

There is nothing in the report Frankfooter cited that contradicts the conclusion that "a wide variety of natural weather and climate extremes would still occur."

Unless Franky somehow believes his UN gabfests will find a miraculous way to end all earthquakes, droughts, tornadoes, etc.

 

[Frankfooter]

There is nothing in the report Frankfooter cited that contradicts the conclusion that "a wide variety of natural weather and climate extremes would still occur."

Congratulations on your mastering of the obvious.
Yes, its true that stopping climate change will not stop all hurricanes, tornadoes or other storms from ever happening again.
It also won't stop rain, wind or people coming to incredibly inane and hilariously idiotic claims.

What it will stop is the increasing of extreme weather that cost Canada 1/3 of all wheat and canola crops this year.
We've got 1ºC of warming so far and we got these storms this year, you really want way more of this?

https://www.cbc.ca/news/science/top-10-weather-stories-2021-1.6288139

Unless Franky somehow believes his UN gabfests will find a miraculous way to end all earthquakes, droughts, tornadoes, etc.

You've been talking to yourself again.
How on earth would you even make up this kind of nonsense?

 

[JohnLarue]

There is nothing in the report Frankfooter cited that contradicts the conclusion that "a wide variety of natural weather and climate extremes would still occur."

Unless Franky somehow believes his UN gabfests will find a miraculous way to end all earthquakes, droughts, tornadoes, etc.

Actually the imposition of a UN supra national socialist government is more likely the end goal
"Climate Change emergency " propaganda is just the convenient 'current" path to that end goal

 

[Frankfooter]

Actually the imposition of a UN supra national socialist government is more likely the end goal
"Climate Change emergency " propaganda is just the convenient 'current" path to that end goal

Ah, the total wacko conspiracy theory that somehow the UN created climate change so they could rule the world.
Makes Qanon look smart.

But hey, its about as smart as your theories about science, it just puts it in context.

 

[Moviefan-2]

Yes, its true that stopping climate change will not stop all hurricanes, tornadoes or other storms from ever happening again.

In other words, most of those "climate disasters" that reportedly cost over $200 billion in 2020 will be something that will be with us forever, regardless of what the politicians do.

Got it.

 

[danmand]

In other words, most of those "climate disasters" that reportedly cost over $200 billion in 2020 will be something that will be with us forever, regardless of what the politicians do.

Got it.

No, you don't get it.

The climate disasters will get worse, regardless of what the politicians do now.

 

[Frankfooter]

In other words, most of those "climate disasters" that reportedly cost over $200 billion in 2020 will be something that will be with us forever, regardless of what the politicians do.

Got it.

Not even close.

More climate change = more extreme weather events = more insurance costs = more food insecurity = more immigration

Its at the point where these types of events don't even get big coverage.

More than 400K have no power across the central US after storms deliver record spate of hurricane-force gusts

Intense storms delivered a destructive and record-setting spate of winds Wednesday from the Rockies to the Great Lakes, tearing off roofs, overturning trucks, shutting down a stretch of an interstate highway and even forcing evacuation of some air traffic controllers.

www.cnn.com

 

[JohnLarue]

No, you don't get it.

The climate disasters will get worse, regardless of what the politicians do now.

Not because of a 0.01% increase in atmospheric CO2
We are not even 100% sure what proportion of this miniscule increase is due to human activity


BTW which climate disasters are you refereeing to ?
Tornadoes ?

Death's ?

Hurricanes ?

A Remarkable Decline in Landfalling Hurricanes (substack.com)

A Remarkable Decline in Landfalling Hurricanes

Since 1945, the number of hurricanes that make landfall has declined by about a third

Just let me know what climate disasters are troubling you and I will do my best to help you relieve your self induced angst

 

[Frankfooter]

Not because of a 0.01% increase in atmospheric CO2
We are not even 100% sure what proportion of this miniscule increase is due to human activity

Math fail on CO2 levels followed by a false statement.

Carbon Dioxide Concentration | NASA Global Climate Change

Vital Signs of the Planet: Global Climate Change and Global Warming. Current news and data streams about global warming and climate change from NASA.

climate.nasa.gov

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Unless of course you think that larue knows more than NASA....

 

[oil&gas]

No, you don't get it.

The climate disasters will get worse, regardless of what the politicians do now.

I don't mean to contradict you. I just think the world will have to face the
impending energy crunch first.

 

[danmand]

I don't mean to contradict you. I just think the world will have to face the
impending energy crunch first.

Me neither, although I think there is a difference. The energy crunch can be avoided, albeit at great cost.

 

[Frankfooter]

Me neither, although I think there is a difference. The energy crunch can be avoided, albeit at great cost.

It won't be cheap, but it'll be cheaper than fossil fuel subsidies and climate change disasters.

 

[Moviefan-2]

Not even close,

Really? You don't believe most hurricanes, droughts, tornadoes, etc. will be with us forever?

Seriously?

 

[Frankfooter]

Really? You don't believe most hurricanes, droughts, tornadoes, etc. will be with us forever?

Seriously?

Enough with the trolling.
You know full well that's not what was said.
If you can't debate honestly, just don't bother.

 

[danmand]

Not because of a 0.01% increase in atmospheric CO2
We are not even 100% sure what proportion of this miniscule increase is due to human activity

The Amount of Carbon Dioxide in the atmosphere has increased from 275 PPM before the Industrial Revolution to 420PPM today

 

[JohnLarue]

The Amount of Carbon Dioxide in the atmosphere has increased from 275 PPM before the Industrial Revolution to 420PPM today

Which is a 0.01% change in atmospheric composition

And we are not 100% sure what proportion is due to human activities.

There was 7% decline in economic activity in 2020, yet no change in slope of the curve
That needs explaining

 

[danmand]

There was 7% decline in economic activity in 2020, yet no change in slope of the curve
That needs explaining

The oceans act as a huge buffer for CO2.

 

[Frankfooter]

Which is a 0.01% change in atmospheric composition

This trace gas argument is like arguing that vaccines can't possibly work because they are trace elements in your bodies.
Or that aspirin couldn't possibly do anything, or a similar sized tablet of cyanide.