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Isles missing 6 regulars due to covid. So the Leafs beat another AHL team.
No, no. You've misunderstood. Glam said the Leafs dominated last night. They really are THAT good. :ROFLMAO:

Seems very time the Leafs beat a weak or injury depleted team, it somehow gets translated into "the Leafs dominated!". It's great that they won, but let's try to keep it real.
 
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Nice to see the backup situation coming together - mind you it's been 2 games but the protentional of JW60 looks promising.
 
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No, no. You've misunderstood. Glam said the Leafs dominated last night. They really are THAT good. :ROFLMAO:

Seems very time the Leafs beat a weak or injury depleted team, it somehow gets translated into "the Leafs dominated!". It's great that they won, but let's try to keep it real.
Haha...keep it real? They won the game, and played really well...
 

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Haha...keep it real? They won the game, and played really well...
You could could say the same if they played a team of 8 year olds. 'They won the game, and played really well.'

Is the fact that the NYI fielded a significantly depleted roster lost on you somehow? Yes, the Leafs won the game, but beating that roster doesn't make them world beaters. Hardly a big victory. Did you ever stop to think that maybe Woll started this one for that very reason? For me, although he registered a shutout, it's still a bit hollow. Call me when he shuts out a high quality team.
 

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You could could say the same if they played a team of 8 year olds. 'They won the game, and played really well.'

Is the fact that the NYI fielded a significantly depleted roster lost on you somehow? Yes, the Leafs won the game, but beating that roster doesn't make them world beaters. Hardly a big victory. Did you ever stop to think that maybe Woll started this one for that very reason? For me, although he registered a shutout, it's still a bit hollow. Call me when he shuts out a high quality team.
You are just not that knowledgeable...
 
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Yes, the Leafs won the game, but beating that roster doesn't make them world beaters.
Did he say that they were world beaters?

To take "they played well" and turn it into "they are world beaters" is the exact type of exaggeration that I referred to earlier from Leaf fan bashers.
 

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Did he say that they were world beaters?

To take "they played well" and turn it into "they are world beaters" is the exact type of exaggeration that I referred to earlier from Leaf fan bashers.
Try follow along old man. If you go waaaaaay back to post #264 (all of seven posts ago) I referred to Glam's assertion that the Leafs were DOMINANT.

I questioned the use of that word to describe their play given the NYI didn't field a very competitive team to begin with due to injuries/illnesses. DOMINANT would have been a 10-0 victory, not a 3-0 victory where the first goal was a goal mouth scramble, no goals in the entire second period, and the third goal came midway through the third period where the NYI goalie badly misplayed a tip in by Marner that should have been an easy save. Clearly NOT a DOMINANT performance in any way, so yeah, try to 'keep it real' when stroking your limp dick over a mediocre win, and fooling yourself into believing this Leafs team are world beaters. Using the word DOMINANT is the exaggeration here.

It's also not wrong to temper one's enthusiasm when referring to Woll's shutout. It comes against a significantly depleted roster, and although he played well against a measly 20 shots, the shutout in and of itself does nothing to qualify how good Woll actually is/isn't given the context. No one should be reading too much into his potential based on some false impression of this shutout. [/QUOTE]
 

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That's pretty rich, coming from you of all people. :ROFLMAO:
I’ve heard your nonsense...Dubois should be fired if the Leafs don’t turn it around in the next 5 games, they’ll never win with Marner, bringing in better players destroys chemistry because it creates scratches, Leafs playing well and defeating the Islanders shouldn’t be respected because they had players out...
 

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Using the word DOMINANT is the exaggeration here.
I think that with the shots being 40-20 for the Leafs it indicates a significant territorial advantage. And if the shots were reversed and the Leafs still won you'd be saying how lucky they were because the Islanders dominated the play.

It's also not wrong to temper one's enthusiasm when referring to Woll's shutout. It comes against a significantly depleted roster, and although he played well against a measly 20 shots, the shutout in and of itself does nothing to qualify how good Woll actually is/isn't given the context. No one should be reading too much into his potential based on some false impression of this shutout.
Clearly he's bound for the HoF. All Leaf fans would agree.
 

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Try follow along old man. If you go waaaaaay back to post #264 (all of seven posts ago) I referred to Glam's assertion that the Leafs were DOMINANT.

I questioned the use of that word to describe their play given the NYI didn't field a very competitive team to begin with due to injuries/illnesses. DOMINANT would have been a 10-0 victory, not a 3-0 victory where the first goal was a goal mouth scramble, no goals in the entire second period, and the third goal came midway through the third period where the NYI goalie badly misplayed a tip in by Marner that should have been an easy save. Clearly NOT a DOMINANT performance in any way, so yeah, try to 'keep it real' when stroking your limp dick over a mediocre win, and fooling yourself into believing this Leafs team are world beaters. Using the word DOMINANT is the exaggeration here.

It's also not wrong to temper one's enthusiasm when referring to Woll's shutout. It comes against a significantly depleted roster, and although he played well against a measly 20 shots, the shutout in and of itself does nothing to qualify how good Woll actually is/isn't given the context. No one should be reading too much into his potential based on some false impression of this shutout.
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The first goal was not a “ goal mouth scramble”, it was a short-handed breakaway by Marner off a beauty pass from Muzzin. The fact remains that the Leafs did dominate the game, therefore they were DOMINANT. Obviously the Islanders were a depleted team. I’m a life-long Leaf fan, but I’m also a realist. Right now I would rank them as the 6th best team in the NHL, behind Florida, Carolina, Washington, Edmonton and Calgary. Is that too much hyperbole for you?
 

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I’ve heard your nonsense...Dubois should be fired if the Leafs don’t turn it around in the next 5 games, they’ll never win with Marner, bringing in better players destroys chemistry because it creates scratches, Leafs playing well and defeating the Islanders shouldn’t be respected because they had players out...
Either you really love to spin doctor and twist what people say just to antagonize, or you really don't understand what people are saying in the first place. FFS! :rolleyes:

1) Not sure who Dubois is. Regardless, I said that the MLSE execs would probably start to consider whether or not to fire Kyle Dubas if the team didn't get off to a good start. Let's be honest here - they didn't. Yes they have been winning of late, which as I said may have been a reprieve for Dubas, but if they hadn't suddenly gone on a long winning streak, I think Dubas would have been toast. If they do start to tank again in late NOv and Dec, I personally don't believe Dubas will have a long shelf life. Time will tell, it's just a fan's speculation. Sue me.

2) I never said they would never win with Marner, as in 'Marner bashing'. My posting history actually shows I've been a consistent fan of Marner. What I said was if the Leafs want to make a serious run at the cup, they need a better roster than the current one. Again, my belief is that the only way to make significant enough changes to upgrade this roster for a cup run is to trade one of the core. In this case, I think logically it has to be Marner. I believe the phrase used was "unfortunately, I don't think they can afford to keep him". That's a far cry from saying the will never win with Marner.

3) I also never said bringing in better players destroys chemistry. I asked the question 'what happens to team chemistry when there is a healthy group of reasonably quality guys all sitting in the stands as healthy scratches, all chomping at the bit to get into a game, and forced to watch the likes of Engvall, Ritchie, Simmonds, and Spezza thrash around. You said there is zero affect on team chemistry. Speaks volumes to your depth of knowledge and direct experience, but you're entitled to your own opinion. I won't bother to try and educate you, because I've learned there is no other opinion that ever merits consideration other than yours, so it's a complete waste of time to try.

4) I said the Leafs played well against the NYI. I also essentially said that beating a shitty team down with injuries doesn't make the Leafs cup contenders, DOMINANT, or world beaters, and shutting out a shitty team down with injuries doesn't automatically make Joseph Woll the defacto solution to the backup goalie situation, nor should it artificially inflate anyone's opinion of exactly what he his as a goal-tending asset. As usual, a win over a weak team has Leafs fans planning cup parades and crowning middling players as 'generational talents'.

This team is essentially playing and winning on the backs of 5-7 players who have so far managed to stay healthy, and even though they are winning games, they aren't dominant nor are they destroying anyone. The season is only 20 games old. Does anyone really believe a team with this little depth and peripheral talent will ride the same 5-7 players throughout an 82 game regular season and go deep in the playoffs? There needs to be some changes, and there will be - either through injuries or necessary trades. If not, I'd predict they'll fall significantly in the standings and potentially miss the playoffs.
 

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Either you really love to spin doctor and twist what people say just to antagonize, or you really don't understand what people are saying in the first place. FFS! :rolleyes:

1) Not sure who Dubois is. Regardless, I said that the MLSE execs would probably start to consider whether or not to fire Kyle Dubas if the team didn't get off to a good start. Let's be honest here - they didn't. Yes they have been winning of late, which as I said may have been a reprieve for Dubas, but if they hadn't suddenly gone on a long winning streak, I think Dubas would have been toast. If they do start to tank again in late NOv and Dec, I personally don't believe Dubas will have a long shelf life. Time will tell, it's just a fan's speculation. Sue me.

2) I never said they would never win with Marner, as in 'Marner bashing'. My posting history actually shows I've been a consistent fan of Marner. What I said was if the Leafs want to make a serious run at the cup, they need a better roster than the current one. Again, my belief is that the only way to make significant enough changes to upgrade this roster for a cup run is to trade one of the core. In this case, I think logically it has to be Marner. I believe the phrase used was "unfortunately, I don't think they can afford to keep him". That's a far cry from saying the will never win with Marner.

3) I also never said bringing in better players destroys chemistry. I asked the question 'what happens to team chemistry when there is a healthy group of reasonably quality guys all sitting in the stands as healthy scratches, all chomping at the bit to get into a game, and forced to watch the likes of Engvall, Ritchie, Simmonds, and Spezza thrash around. You said there is zero affect on team chemistry. Speaks volumes to your depth of knowledge and direct experience, but you're entitled to your own opinion. I won't bother to try and educate you, because I've learned there is no other opinion that ever merits consideration other than yours, so it's a complete waste of time to try.

4) I said the Leafs played well against the NYI. I also essentially said that beating a shitty team down with injuries doesn't make the Leafs cup contenders, DOMINANT, or world beaters, and shutting out a shitty team down with injuries doesn't automatically make Joseph Woll the defacto solution to the backup goalie situation, nor should it artificially inflate anyone's opinion of exactly what he his as a goal-tending asset. As usual, a win over a weak team has Leafs fans planning cup parades and crowning middling players as 'generational talents'.

This team is essentially playing and winning on the backs of 5-7 players who have so far managed to stay healthy, and even though they are winning games, they aren't dominant nor are they destroying anyone. The season is only 20 games old. Does anyone really believe a team with this little depth and peripheral talent will ride the same 5-7 players throughout an 82 game regular season and go deep in the playoffs? There needs to be some changes, and there will be - either through injuries or necessary trades. If not, I'd predict they'll fall significantly in the standings and potentially miss the playoffs.
I'm not reading that...you got a Coles Notes version?
 

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1) Not sure who Dubois is. Regardless, I said that the MLSE execs would probably start to consider whether or not to fire Kyle Dubas if the team didn't get off to a good start. Let's be honest here - they didn't. Yes they have been winning of late, which as I said may have been a reprieve for Dubas, but if they hadn't suddenly gone on a long winning streak, I think Dubas would have been toast. If they do start to tank again in late NOv and Dec, I personally don't believe Dubas will have a long shelf life. Time will tell, it's just a fan's speculation. Sue me.
Well, it seems that you have to keep pushing back that time line of Dubas being fired. How long has it been since that 5 game losing streak after which they've gone 11-2? A 5 game stretch proves that they're shit, but a very solid13 game stretch is irrelevant.

If you take away that 5 game slump, they are 13-1-1 on the season. Fire Dubas, fire Keefe, no depth, no chemistry, no heart. How about NO LOGIC when assessing your assertions. All of that may change starting tomorrow and your predictions of doom and gloom come true, but for now, based on a quarter of the season already gone, there is no reason to expect that that will happen.

3) I also never said bringing in better players destroys chemistry. I asked the question 'what happens to team chemistry when there is a healthy group of reasonably quality guys all sitting in the stands as healthy scratches, all chomping at the bit to get into a game, and forced to watch the likes of Engvall, Ritchie, Simmonds, and Spezza thrash around. You said there is zero affect on team chemistry.
So the Leafs only have 5-7 good players and the rest are thrashing around. But for some reason the guys being forced to sit now, or some current starters if they get some decent acquisitions, become "reasonably quality guys". That's a hell of a spin to try to have it both ways.

4) I said the Leafs played well against the NYI. I also essentially said that beating a shitty team down with injuries doesn't make the Leafs cup contenders, DOMINANT, or world beaters, and shutting out a shitty team down with injuries doesn't automatically make Joseph Woll the defacto solution to the backup goalie situation, nor should it artificially inflate anyone's opinion of exactly what he his as a goal-tending asset. As usual, a win over a weak team has Leafs fans planning cup parades and crowning middling players as 'generational talents'.
That is an enormous leap from somebody saying that the Leafs dominated the game against the Isles to saying that they called them a dominant team in the NHL. Typical exaggeration from a Leaf fan basher.

Are the Leafs the complete package? No. Do they have flaws that need to be addressed? Sure. But if you extrapolate their first (almost) quarter, they're on pace for a 109 point season. They seem pretty good so far. They still have another 62 games to prove you right. Lots of time for you to tell us, "I told you so".
 
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I like the way the Leafs have been playing lately. Scoring is more spread out and they're finally finding ways to win games by one goal. Keep up the good work boys!
 

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I like the way the Leafs have been playing lately. Scoring is more spread out and they're finally finding ways to win games by one goal. Keep up the good work boys!
So as a Leaf fan, you're really saying that they are a lock to win the Cup.;)
 

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Can someone please check widdle shackie's diaper. He crankier than usual and that usually means one of two things - either the nurse hasn't been by with his meds yet, or he's gone and shit himself again. I'm betting it's a shitty diaper. I can read the signs. :ROFLMAO:
 

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So as a Leaf fan, you're really saying that they are a lock to win the Cup.;)
I'll go one further and predict they'll win two cups this year, which has never been done before. :ROFLMAO:
 
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