Kyle Rittenhouse trial

[mandrill]

What that witness said should not hold up in a court of law. It's simply his perception and not a fact.
Was this guy a psychiatrist who could quickly determine someone's state of mind and dismiss him as a possible threat?
The prosecution should rip his testimony to shreds.

Nah.

You know dick about the law of evidence - including the "rule of lay observation".

 

[Bbw hunter]

Nah.

You know dick about the law of evidence - including the "rule of lay observation".

Perception is speculation not fact.
I would hate to have you as my defense attorney.

 

[mandrill]

Perception is speculation not fact.
I would hate to have you as my defense attorney.

I'd hate to have you as my client.

Lay persons can opine on everyday events and observations. For instance, a lay person can give an opinion on whether someone is drunk or angry or threatening or sleepy or agitated or whatever.

 

[Bbw hunter]

I'd hate to have you as my client.

Lay persons can opine on everyday events and observations. For instance, a lay person can give an opinion on whether someone is drunk or angry or threatening or sleepy or agitated or whatever.

Fair enough. Unlike some of the bleating Lefty sheep here you seem to have a brain so I will defer to your apparent expertise on this matter.
So how much credibility would you say a lay opinion has on swaying a judge and jury?

 

[mandrill]

Fair enough. Unlike some of the bleating Lefty sheep here you seem to have a brain so I will defer to your apparent expertise on this matter.
So how much credibility would you say a lay opinion has on swaying a judge and jury?

I think Rosenbaum was aggressive and threatening, just from watching the video. The jury will as well. They don't need a witness to tell them that.

My issue with the Rosenbaum killing is I want the forensics on where the 4th bullet went and whether Rosenbaum was already helpless on the ground when he took the slug.

 

[Frankfooter]

IIRC, wasn't the weapon - not itself inherently illegal - illegally purchased for an underage owner and illegally transported across a state line?

That doesn't affect my take on the case, but it DOES support Franky's stance.

Doesn't the fact that the gun could not be legally owned by KR make the gun 'illegal'?
It is against Wisconsin law for someone younger than 18 to possess “a dangerous weapon.”
By the way, KR used his covid unemployment money to buy this AR-15.

If the AR was a semi automatic and not automatic, doesn't that make it worse for KR, since that means he had to pull the trigger after Rosenbaum was already on the ground?

 

[mandrill]

Doesn't the fact that the gun could not be legally owned by KR make the gun 'illegal'?
It is against Wisconsin law for someone younger than 18 to possess “a dangerous weapon.”
By the way, KR used his covid unemployment money to buy this AR-15.

If the AR was a semi automatic and not automatic, doesn't that make it worse for KR, since that means he had to pull the trigger after Rosenbaum was already on the ground?

I haven't seen the forensic evidence for the 4th bullet.

In a way, yes - it's worse for him if he consciously had to fire a 4th single-shot than if he could claim the gun was on full auto and it just kept firing.

 

[JohnHenry]

I am curious as to why he was not charged under the catchall category listed in Felony Murder:
https://www.grgblaw.com/wisconsin-trial-lawyers/wisconsin-felony-murder-law

 

[mandrill]

I am curious as to why he was not charged under the catchall category listed in Felony Murder:
https://www.grgblaw.com/wisconsin-trial-lawyers/wisconsin-felony-murder-law

Because "felony murder" is something specific. If you participate in a felony where it is reasonably foreseeable than a vic might be murdered - i.e. a kidnapping, bank robbery, etc - and someone actually IS murdered, you are guilty of the murder if you merely participated in the felony, even if you were not the actual killer.

For instance, if you and Mean Joe rob the local TD bank and Mean Joe guns down a teller because she didn't empty her till fast enough, you're guilty of murder, even if you never drew your weapon and even if you swore up and down in court that you didn't want anyone to get hurt. It simply doesn't matter legally if you were there committing the felony.

 

[Bbw hunter]

Grosskreutz just admitted on the stand that he only got shot after pointing his gun at KR first.
Hopefully this kangaroo court will soon be over and Kyle will be set free.

 

[mandrill]

Grosskreutz just admitted on the stand that he only got shot after pointing his gun at KR first.
Hopefully this kangaroo court will soon be over and Kyle will be set free.

Got the link for that?

 

[contact]

Grosskreutz just admitted on the stand that he only got shot after pointing his gun at KR first.
Hopefully this kangaroo court will soon be over and Kyle will be set free.

He also admitted his concealed carry permit was expired which means him carrying a pistol that night was Illegal was he charged?
Carrying a concealed firearm without a permit is usually a felony (edit its a misdemeanor)

Shooting victim says he was pointing his gun at Rittenhouse

A protester and volunteer medic wounded on the streets of Kenosha by Kyle Rittenhouse testified Monday that he was unintentionally pointing his own gun at the rifle-toting Rittenhouse when the young man shot him.

www.ctvnews.ca

 

[contact]

Got the link for that?

I just posted one.
It looks better for Kyle every day

 

[mandrill]

I just posted one.
It looks better for Kyle every day

It was always an uphill battle for the DA. And it looks like he's getting no breaks from the evidence.

 

[jalimon]

Grosskreutz just admitted on the stand that he only got shot after pointing his gun at KR first.
Hopefully this kangaroo court will soon be over and Kyle will be set free.

And hopefully this will be a lesson that guns are not the solution. What that kid did may not be murder but it's still fucking wrong.

All of this is wrong.

I know it's horrible that people were out protesting and destroying small businesses. We need to truly find out why they were out there and try to help them. Without guns.

 

[basketcase]

Lighting dumpsters on fire and trying push them into buildings to set them on fire is what you call confrontational eh?

And yeah where I come from you get shot for that.

So vigilante death penalty for property crimes then?

Where I come from, you'll end up with your ass in jail for murder.

 

[basketcase]

Marxism has toppled governments and caused the deaths of millions throughout history.
...

And how has it gone when armed groups of "anti-marxists " take over?

 

[basketcase]

It was not an illegal weapon it’s a semi automatic A.R. 15 style rifle the most common rifle in the United States no one had automatic weapons not one.

Why do you continue to lie about this Frank?

To be precise, it was illegal for KR to be carrying at that time due to his age and out of state residency.

 

[contact]

To be precise, it was illegal for KR to be carrying at that time due to his age and out of state residency.

Frank has claimed and insisted the rifle itself was/is illegal for the past year I'm calling him out on it he is also still continuing to claim full auto weapons which is also untrue he's just trying to troll

under 18 is the issue and at that its a misdemeanor so really nothing, there is a chance the of a second amendment challenge on that law

out of state resident nothing

 

[sshotrr]

WATCH: Prosecution Appears to Fall Apart as Rittenhouse 'Victim' Admits He Pulled Gun First (breitbart.com)

Second video sums it up .