And the excuses continue for Hamas outright rejecting the idea of peace and Abbas walking away from THE deal without even a counteroffer.
Documentary on Lea Tsemel, Israeli Lawyer Who Defends Palestinians, Wins Emmy
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Wow.
So the PM of Israel said he had no intent to sign a peace on video deal and still you blame Hamas.
Hilarious.
I'm sure no matter what happens there you will blame Hamas.
Like 'Zionism was caused by Hamas'. 'Hamas started apartheid', 'the occupation is only because of Hamas'.....
We both know that you are doing two things here; 1) Attempting to label all Palestinians as Hamas 'terrorists' and 2) therefore blaming 'terrorists' for apartheid.
Its a very Cantaro like form of Islamaphobia.
Yes, because Israel has elections and already has agreed on their next PM who fully supports a two state peace.
Who among the Palestinians supports any peace option? One State? Two State? Sorry but your boys in Hamas are clear they only accept a Jew free Islamic Caliphate and the PA sometimes speaks about peace but has kept refusing to put their money where their mouth is.
BTW. Hamas on just sentenced people to death for 'collaborating' with Israel and the PA just sentenced someone to 15 years for attempting to sell land to a Jew. Meanwhile Israel is giving awards to people for criticizing the government.
Your lying is getting really lazy.
Palestinian statehood would be a 'terrible mistake' - Bennett
If Hamas or other Palestinian groups would take over the West Bank, it would turn the lives of Israelis into a living hell.
www.jpost.com
Meanwhile Israel is trying to push the IHRA definition of anti-semitism that says that criticizing Israel is anti-semitic.
Which would make the 45% of Israelis who say Israel is apartheid 'anti-semitic'.
You are clueless. Considering how much you obsess about Israel you should know about the coalition deal has Lapid taking over as PM in a year and a half.Your lying is getting really lazy.
Palestinian statehood would be a 'terrible mistake' - Bennett
If Hamas or other Palestinian groups would take over the West Bank, it would turn the lives of Israelis into a living hell.
But of course reality is inconvenient for you like claiming Israel is apartheid despite the fact that an Arab Islamist party is a member of that same governing coalition and Arab members are serving as ministers and deputy ministers.
Wow. Of course you need to lie about it because you check off many points on Canada's definition of antisemitism. There is nothing in it about simply criticizing Israeli policy. The antisemitism is things like your double standard and trying to hold Jews accountable for Israel.
Here's the actual examples from the list. The bolded ones are ones you displayed.
Contemporary examples of antisemitism in public life, the media, schools, the workplace, and in the religious sphere could, taking into account the overall context, include, but are not limited to:
- Calling for, aiding, or justifying the killing or harming of Jews in the name of a radical ideology or an extremist view of religion.
- Making mendacious, dehumanizing, demonizing, or stereotypical allegations about Jews as such or the power of Jews as collective — such as, especially but not exclusively, the myth about a world Jewish conspiracy or of Jews controlling the media, economy, government or other societal institutions.
- Accusing Jews as a people of being responsible for real or imagined wrongdoing committed by a single Jewish person or group, or even for acts committed by non-Jews.
- Denying the fact, scope, mechanisms (e.g. gas chambers) or intentionality of the genocide of the Jewish people at the hands of National Socialist Germany and its supporters and accomplices during World War II (the Holocaust).
- Accusing the Jews as a people, or Israel as a state, of inventing or exaggerating the Holocaust.
- Accusing Jewish citizens of being more loyal to Israel, or to the alleged priorities of Jews worldwide, than to the interests of their own nations.
- Denying the Jewish people their right to self-determination, e.g., by claiming that the existence of a State of Israel is a racist endeavor.
- Applying double standards by requiring of it a behavior not expected or demanded of any other democratic nation.
- Using the symbols and images associated with classic antisemitism (e.g., claims of Jews killing Jesus or blood libel) to characterize Israel or Israelis.
- Drawing comparisons of contemporary Israeli policy to that of the Nazis.
- Holding Jews collectively responsible for actions of the state of Israel.
But that's only what Canada says and Canada must be racist for defining Hamas as terrorists.
Right now, the PM of Israel says there will never be a Palestinian state.
You have no idea what will happen in 1.5 years there.
Palestinian statehood would be a 'terrible mistake' - Bennett
If Hamas or other Palestinian groups would take over the West Bank, it would turn the lives of Israelis into a living hell.
www.jpost.com
You forgot to quote this bit:
To guide IHRA in its work, the following examples may serve as illustrations:
Manifestations might include the targeting of the state of Israel, conceived as a Jewish collectivity. However, criticism of Israel similar to that leveled against any other country cannot be regarded as antisemitic.
According to the IHRA is likely that the 45% of Israelis who think Israel is apartheid are now to be called anti-semitic, as are B'tselem, HRW and the UN, as well as about 1/3 of US Jews.
From IJVCanada.
The Palestine solidarity movement is facing an unprecedented threat.
The International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance Working Definition of Antisemitism (IHRA-WDA) is designed to silence criticism of Israel and of Zionism by equating this criticism with antisemitism.
Your views are extreme and wrong.
Sadly you show your illiteracy. the current PM says there won't be a Palestinian state under his rule which ends in a year and a half. The next PM is fully supportive of a two state peace. It is worth criticizing Bennet for refusing to discuss peace, just as it is worth criticizing Abbas for not being interested and Hamas for refusing the concept entirely. Sadly your double standard has you obsessing only about Israel and refusing to say a word about the Palestinian leadership.
Thank you for exposing your own lies.
Canada's definition does not label criticism of Israel to be anti-semitic. You on the other hand clearly hit many of the examples in Canada's definition.
That is why there are no peace talks and no hopes for anything more than apartheid.
So you are admitting that calling Israel apartheid is not anti-semitic.
Its just reasonable criticism of Israeli policy.
Correct?
Question, basketcase.
Is this terrorism, ethnic cleansing or just good old war crime settlement building?
www.middleeastmonitor.com
Is this terrorism, ethnic cleansing or just good old war crime settlement building?
Settler violence and Israel's impenetrable web of impunity
As happens each year during the Palestinian olive harvest, Israel's illegal settlers are destroying olive trees and attacking Palestinian farmers. The International Committee of the Red Cross has sa...
www.middleeastmonitor.com
Right, nothing to do with Palestinian leadership saying they will never recognize Israel's existence.
So you are admitting you got caught lying again and responding with asinine strawman bullshit? But considering how many of those point's you tick, there's no surprise you oppose Canada's definition of antisemitism. Calling Israel apartheid is not specifically anti-semitic. It is an incorrect use of the term and many of the people using have clearly show the other indicators of anti-semitism.
But I do love the way you linked a quote that expressly contradicted your bullshit claim.
I think I've been pretty clear that Israelis who use violence targeting random Palestinians are engaged in terrorism just like Palestinians using violence targeting random Jews is. Israel doesn't get convictions on as many settlers as they should but this is again your anti-semitic double standard showing because you've never shown the slightest concern that Palestinian attackers get protected, celebrated, and paid by their government explicitly for their terrorism.Question, basketcase.
Is this terrorism, ethnic cleansing or just good old war crime settlement building?
Settler violence and Israel's impenetrable web of impunity
As happens each year during the Palestinian olive harvest, Israel's illegal settlers are destroying olive trees and attacking Palestinian farmers. The International Committee of the Red Cross has sa...
They recognized the state of Israel years ago, if it matter, but it doesn't.
What matters is that the military occupying power of Palestine is refusing to discuss peace or even the idea of the two state solution.
So the one state apartheid solution is yours.
Congrats.
Nice hedging there, basketcase.
Describing Israel as apartheid is correct, as 45% of Israelis say as do HRW, B'tselem and the UN.
Its not racist to acknowledge that the Israeli government is guilty of one of the most serious, racist, crimes against humanity.
So those attacks by settlers on Palestinians are terrorism.
And that form of terrorism has doubled over the last year yet you are here posting only about terrorism from Hamas. Not once have you said its bad that terrorism by settlers has doubled.
Then you turn around and accuse me of having a double standard?
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Yes. I have said that many times. All the while you continue to argue Palestinian attacks on Israelis are justified self defense. Makes it clear that your moral compass doesn't exist other than claiming whatever Israel does is wrong and anything from anti-Israel groups is okay.
That is the exact double standard called out as antisemitic by Canada.
I've continually said that when settlers are acting as unarmed civilians they aren't legit targets and its terrorism to target them. But when they are committing terrorism Palestinians have a right to self defence.
For instance, settlers aren't acting as civilians when they try to steal Palestinian land, correct?
Israeli settlers attempt settlement expansion in Hebron
The Israeli anti-settlement group Peace Now is suing to stop the project, which it says is the first major expansion of the Jewish settlements in Hebron in two decades.
Nor are they acting as civilians when they do this.
Israeli settlers uproot 300 olive trees in Palestinian village
Olive harvest season, a lifeline for thousands of Palestinian families, is under threat by climate change, Israeli attacks and restrictions
www.middleeasteye.net
Would you disagree?
I love that you have been forced to contradict your repeated views. Every time we've discussed attacks on Jewish civilians, you don't condemn the attacks as terrorism but simply complain that the Jews were in the West Bank (despite your equality claims).
And still wondering why it is we both agree that Settlers targeting Palestinians civilians with rocks and firebombs is terrorism but you refuse to describe Palestinians targeting Israeli civilians with rocks or firebombs that way.
Jerusalem-area bus drivers fed up with stone-throwing
Bus drivers working in areas adjacent to Jerusalem are expressing growing concern over the threat of rocks being thrown at them, usually by Arab teens; the danger to them and their passengers is very real, as a loss of control could potentially lead to upwards of 50 people in a deadly accident.
www.ynetnews.com
Jerusalem: Rocks Thrown at Light Rail, Bus
One person lightly wounded in two separate rock attacks in Jerusalem. Police searching for the perpetrators.
www.israelnationalnews.com
Is it the same reason why you don't have an issue with the 50% of Palestinians who admit support for attacks on civilians inside Israel?
