Apparently Blinken likes it.
Same old, if you don't succeed at first try taking more land and just hammer it through.
Now improved with more Bantustans.
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Same old, if you don't succeed at first try taking more land and just hammer it through.
Now improved with more Bantustans.
Sure, Abbas must have been lying when he admitted to walking away from Olmert's offer without even pretending to make a counteroffer.
He's wrong. The previous rulers of the WB and Gaza signed deals handing over control to Israel. You can argue about legality of settlements but the occupation is perfectly supported by international law. If the Palestinians were willing to accept Israel continuing to exist then there would have been a Palestinian state more than a decade ago.
As a peace activist, I thought you would have been in support of countries ending their official state of war.
Please post the full terms of this deal and the map.
This deal did exist, didn't it?
If it did it must be on paper.
Why would cementing apartheid with more bantustans lead to peace?
He's the legal expert, his opinion counts.
Your's doesn't.
The occupation is illegal.
I love how you keep making excuses for Palestinian leaders rejecting peace.
The “napkin map” revealed
The Palestine Papers include a rendering of the Israeli land swap map presented in mid-2008 to Mahmoud Abbas.
And sorry but a guy hired by a bunch of human rights abusers based specifically on previous statements is not a credible source.
p.s. the map Al Jazeera published puts to rest you attempt to conflate Palestine with Bantustans.
Speaking of military occupations, do you want to discuss the Turkish occupation of Northern Cyprus that involved the displacement of almost half the island's population and denial of rights to ethnic minorities?
of course not, no Jews are involved.
of course not, no Jews are involved.
Did they wall 2 million people into the world's largest open air prison, repeatedly drop bombs on them, destroy most of their water sources and count the calories of the food they let in?
How about apartheid?
Your whataboutism is lame.
That's right, that was the best deal Israel ever offered and still they wouldn't provide a map.
I'm sure when you bought that excellent property in Florida you were totally happy drawing your own map of the deed on a napkin.
Must have been fun taking that into the bank for your mortgage.
Calling the UN ''human rights abusers' while you defend apartheid is even worse than backing a non-NPT country's attack on another country to stop them signing a treaty.
Oh wait, you've been doing that for weeks now.
Israel's government and leaders are the human rights abusers here, the practitioners of apartheid and settler colonialism.
As long as you're backing apartheid your calls that someone else is a human rights abuser is hopeless.
Look at your excuses. You say you are opposed to military occupation and denial of rights to religious minorities but here you are trying to minimize Turkey's actions. Whataboutism is a cool word to pretend you are not massively hypocritical when it comes to Israel.
And sorry but Gaza didn't have border restrictions before Hamas' terror campaign after Israel withdrew every Israeli. Blame them for the problem they caused.
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They did and there was nothing stopping Abbas from creating his own. Instead he just sat on it because he knew he wouldn't be able to convince his own party to accept it, let alone Hamas.
And the UN HRC is full of human rights abusers. Unless you think newly elected members of Cameroon, Somalia, Eritrea, Kazakhstan, Qatar, and UAE are in a position to lecture others about human rights.
Israel are the military occupiers, as you stated.
They are responsible for the blockade and the multiple attacks on Gaza, just as they are responsible for apartheid and the occupation of Palestine.
Stop blaming the victims and back basic human rights.
Only the most racist people around would ever defend apartheid.
Oh god, so you think Abbas should have made his own peace deal on his own and the military occupiers would have stopped what they were doing and given in?
Yes, they get to lecture Israel about apartheid.
Apartheid is much worse than anything any of those countries are doing.
You're at the bottom of the barrel now.
C'mon, 45% of Israel says Israel is apartheid.
So does HRW, B'tselem and the UN.
Of the West Bank
Hamas are not the victims but rather the cause. There weren't border restrictions before Hamas started their terror campaign from Gaza and they cause enough trouble that Egypt imposes even more restrictions than Israel.
And yes, your refusal to hold non-whites accountable or their actions and insistence on telling them what they should be doing is proof of racism.
Yes, that is how negotiations work. Olmert's offer was more beneficial to Palestinians than even the Arab league plan. If the specific map was the only issue, Abbas could have easily proposed his own map. He didn't because he knew that there was no way he could sell it to his own party, let alone Hamas who rejects any permanent peace with Israel.
Sadly like Hamas, you have no interest in bettering the lives of Palestinians but simply obsessed with Israel existing.
The Gaza strip is considered occupied as well, as you know.
Though the UN has labelled it the world's largest open air prison and also as 'unliveable' with 97% of the water undrinkable.
Hamas is the government there, they commit less terrorism than settlers do daily and less terrorism than Israel has committed on them.
For instance, Israel's weekly shooting of protesters during the March of Return was a far more serious crime of state terrorism than anything you've accused Hamas of doing.
Hamas isn't the problem.
The problem is the occupation and apartheid rule.
There was never any serious peace deal from Israel.
Never.
Abbas offered Olmert everything Israel asked for and still couldn't get an offer.
All Israel wants is more of Palestine.
Same old.
Ahead of Washington visit, Bennett pledges growth of Israeli settlements
In his first interview as prime minister with an international news organization, Bennett told 'The New York Times' that major diplomatic moves are off the table, for now.
www.jpost.com
Not by any rational standard (which we know doesn't apply to you).
There's not a single Israeli in Gaza and it is fully under Hamas control. Israel and Egypt are fully within their rights to control their borders. Israel is the only country in history to have a foreign government openly trying to destroy it and kill its people but still agrees to facilitate aid, travel, and resources.
Wow. Your inventions are hilarious. Abbas openly admits he walked away from Olmert's offer but since you never care to listen to minority groups, you claim to know better. And like Hamas you show you have no interest in a peace deal with Israel and only want Israel eliminated (no matter how much it costs the Palestinian people).
Abbas admits he rejected 2008 peace offer from Olmert
PA president says he declined proposal -- which included near-total withdrawal from West Bank and relinquishing Israeli control of Jerusalem's Old City -- because he wasn't allowed to study map
www.timesofisrael.com
No, its controlled by Israel's blockade.
They control the amount of food that gets in, the amount of water, electricity and all goods.
Its an open air prison.
Where Israel once counted the calories they would would allow the stunted children of Gaza.
Oh yeah, remember that WHO report about how 10% of Gaza's children were stunted?
Remember how Israel fixed that? They kicked the WHO out of Gaza.
The UN says Gaza is occupied.
But I'm sure you'll call them anti-semites, or dictators or just the rest of the world.
Like you call HRW and B'tselem dictators and thugs or something.
That's why dictators around the world are starting campaigns like this.
Fourteen years of blockade has left two million Gazans living in an ‘open air prison’
This month marks 14 years since the start of the blockade which came into force on 14 June 2007 and the UN’s prediction is a reality for many Palestinians in Gaza, who are living with soaring levels of unemployment, dire economic conditions and growing insecurity.
actionaid.org
And that's why this is the only just solution to your apartheid.
The PLO should correct its strategic mistake of 1993 and call on all Palestinians, regardless of their location, to adopt a struggle on the premises of achieving equal rights. In practical terms, this includes Palestinians in the West Bank, the Gaza Strip, the Palestinian diaspora, and those living in today’s Israel.
This struggle by definition includes the demand that all Palestinian refugees be allowed to return back – including to what is today Israel. This approach also means that Palestinians should be treated and act based on the notion that they are a unified collective that see their shared future together regardless of the divisions imposed on them, be they geographic or political.
Without a shadow of a doubt, calling for equal rights in Palestine means establishing one state that includes Israeli Jews who wish to live in peace. As time has proven, any other solution that ignores the historical injustices against the Palestinians and the question of Palestinian refugees is doomed to fail.
Today, Gaza’s population has hit the 2.25 million milestone, and in the third quarter of this year alone, 15,216 Palestinian babies were born in the Gaza Strip. The situation in Palestine is unsustainable and it is only a matter of time before things run out of hand. Then, it might be too late for Israel to keep Palestinians under control, because investing in apartheid is not a winning strategy.
Young Palestinians should take the initiative to give life to the aging political parties and leadership, and make sure that their voices are heard. Once they have embraced the younger generations, these aging Palestinian political parties and leaders should adopt a unified strategy based on calling for the granting of full rights to Palestinians and allowing refugees to return back to their homes and towns, based on UN Resolution 194.
This means that a one-state reality in Palestine, completely free of apartheid, is the only way out. Given that this is materializing anyway on the ground thanks to Israeli policies which are replete with apartheid, it seems a matter of time before Palestinians adopt a one-state solution approach with equal rights as the way forward.
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