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basketcase

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Israelis are rejecting it too.
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Yes, when Palestinians overwhelmingly oppose negotiations, half think violence is a solution, and Hamas rejecting the concept out of hand, of course most Israelis think peace won't happen in the next few years.


Sadly you can't find any comparison to the question where 50% of Palestinians support overt terrorism.
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BTW. In September's polling, 70% of Palestinians of Palestinians oppose the One State farce you want to force them into.
 

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Are you still demanding Israel unilaterally impose a solution on the Palestinians without their agreement? Your colonial attitude yet again.
Are you still talking to yourself out loud when you go for your daily walk?

Israel won't end the occupation, so I support boycotts like BDS and sanctions to end apartheid.
Do you think Israel will unilaterally end apartheid?
 

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You keep pushing for a plan that only 36% of Palestinians now support ...
Better than a plan only 27% support. And as a guy who claims to support the UN, you seem to ignore what they feel is the only possible way forward.

And you avoid the whole issue. The majority of Palestinians are against a One State peace, against a Two State peace, and think violence is the best way forward. 50% even support acts that are the precise definition of terrorism.

Sadly you don't think it's an issue that a huge segment of the Palestinian leadership and a significant part of the population are against any peace with Israel. The clearly preferred solution among Palestinians is the violent elimination of Israel and the peace activist you claim to be has no issue with it.


Can you not even find your way to even mildly criticize that half of surveyed Palestinians who support killing civilians without trying to blame Israel for it?
 

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Better than a plan only 27% support. And as a guy who claims to support the UN, you seem to ignore what they feel is the only possible way forward.

And you avoid the whole issue. The majority of Palestinians are against a One State peace, against a Two State peace, and think violence is the best way forward. 50% even support acts that are the precise definition of terrorism.

Sadly you don't think it's an issue that a huge segment of the Palestinian leadership and a significant part of the population are against any peace with Israel. The clearly preferred solution among Palestinians is the violent elimination of Israel and the peace activist you claim to be has no issue with it.


Can you not even find your way to even mildly criticize that half of surveyed Palestinians who support killing civilians without trying to blame Israel for it?
83% of Israelis are against the two state solution and the PM said he wouldn't ever allow it.
What the victims of an incredibly brutal, 50 year long, illegal, apartheid occupation think about their military overlords isn't the issue here.
Its the occupation and ongoing illegal settler colonial movement you back.

Israel: Bennett calls for 500,000 Jews from US, France to migrate in next decade
Premier says Israel plans to bring in half a million Jewish immigrants from 'strong communities in the US, South America and France'

I'm sure you'll blame Hamas for this as well.
But even you know this won't fix the demographic issue.

Of course you don't have a problem with this either, do you?

Naftali Bennett: 'I've Killed Lots Of Arabs In My Life And There's No Problem With That'

No, your issue is that Palestinians aren't dancing for joy in the streets for the chance to live under apartheid.

Just support equal rights, the end of the occupation and the end of apartheid.
Its the decent thing to do.
 

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83% of Israelis are against the two state solution ...
Bullshit. Last poll I saw said 40% support and still the most popular option. It's the most popular peace option among Israelis and Palestinians even though neither are completely happy with it and what the UN (which you claim to support) thinks is the only feasible solution. And among both groups, it has far more support than the One State peace you want to force them into despite only 6% of Palestinians preferring that option.

I will admit I have no love for Bennet who's only good side is he represents a change from Netanyahu. According to their deal, Lapid will become PM in a year and a half and he supports a peace process and is opposed to settlement construction. Is there any prospect that either Abbas or Hamas will cede power to people who actually want a peace deal?

But why are you unwilling to address the issues caused that the majority of Palestinians (and more importantly their leaders) are against negotiations, against both a one and two state peace, and think violence and terrorism will solve their issues?
 

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Bullshit. Last poll I saw said 40% support and still the most popular option.
You're right, its not 83%, my bad.
Its 87%.

87% of Israelis think its not happening.
Israel's PM says its not happening.
There haven't been peace talks in what, 7 years now?
The two state solution is dead.
The one state solution you've always wanted is what you've got.
Contrats.

 

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Where are the borders of Israel?
Can you show me on a map?
Are you claiming Palestine as part of Israel still?
Another of your dumb questions. According to the UN, the final borders can only be NEGOTIATED based on the '49 armistice line. The West Bank is considered Israeli occupied since Jordan ceded control in their 1994 peace treaty until a Palestinian state can be NEGOTIATED (and it is a perfectly legal occupation). But Hamas opposes negotiations, Abbas keep walking away, and 70% of Palestinians oppose them.

Nike is selling in Israel. B&J is selling on the Israeli side of the Green Line. I love when you claim these successes based on nothing when the Western world is increasing realizing how deeply anti-semitism is ingrained in the counter-productive BDS movement.
 
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You're right, its not 83%, my bad.
Its 87%.
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Once again you show you either cant' read of don't care about reality.

"87 percent of Israelis, including Palestinian citizens of Israel, believe that in the next five years, the possibility of establishing peace with Palestinians is very low."

That is a very different question.
 

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The West Bank is considered Israeli occupied
Yes.

You keep defending war crimes against the native people while you are occupying their country and ruling through apatheid.
All while you yell 'the settlements aren't the problem' as you cheer form more colonial settlers.

Israel is the military occupying power, they should #freepalestine.
 

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"87 percent of Israelis, including Palestinian citizens of Israel, believe that in the next five years, the possibility of establishing peace with Palestinians is very low."
You are backing a plan that only 13% of the people in power think will happen.
You're stuck with the apartheid one state solution.

Congrats.
 

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And it is completely legal for Israel to occupy it. Of course are several other military occupations going on you don't care about.
Israel is the military occupying power, they should #freepalestine.
Amazing that you keep demanding Israel unilaterally implement peace without even consulting the Palestinians. Sounds about right for your Victorian elitism.
 

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You are backing a plan that only 13% of the people in power think will happen.
You're stuck with the apartheid one state solution.

Congrats.
I'm not stuck with anything and the people suffering most from the Palestinian leadership's refusal to accept a peace deal are the very people they allegedly represent.
 

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I'm not stuck with anything and the people suffering most from the Palestinian leadership's refusal to accept a peace deal are the very people they allegedly represent.
There is no peace deal to accept, the Oslo talks were a sham as Netanyahu admitted and there haven't been talks since.

There is only apartheid Israel.

 

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