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toguy5252

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Unless commies are in charge there is no chance any
U.S. government will find a way to extract enough money
from the wealthy to balance its budget let alone paying
off national debt.
Why not just do what the GOP does when proposing tax cuts. Project 5% annual growth for the next 10 years. Poof the deficit is gone. Of course there is no chance that that kind of growth can occur over an extended period but that has never stood in the way of the GOP.
 

Darts

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Project 5% annual growth for the next 10 years.
Ike was president at a good time. There was peace. The U.S. had a young population. The economy was growing. The national debt was not in the $trillions. Tax rates were low. It was easy to be generous.

"The United States is the world’s largest economy. Yet, in the last two decades, like in the case of many other developed nations, its growth rates have been decreasing. If in the 50’s and 60’s the average growth rate was above 4 percent, in the 70’s and 80’s dropped to around 3 percent. In the last ten years, the average rate has been below 2 percent and since the second quarter of 2000 has never reached the 5 percent level."
 

toguy5252

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Ike was president at a good time. There was peace. The U.S. had a young population. The economy was growing. The national debt was not in the $trillions. Tax rates were low. It was easy to be generous.

"The United States is the world’s largest economy. Yet, in the last two decades, like in the case of many other developed nations, its growth rates have been decreasing. If in the 50’s and 60’s the average growth rate was above 4 percent, in the 70’s and 80’s dropped to around 3 percent. In the last ten years, the average rate has been below 2 percent and since the second quarter of 2000 has never reached the 5 percent level."
Tax rates were low you say?

During the eight years of the Eisenhower presidency, from 1953 to 1961, the top marginal rate was 91 percent. (It was 92 percent the year he came into office.)
 

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Gains from growth in the U.S. economy are going to be
eroded away by Biden inflation.
 

Darts

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Why is the top rate misleading?
Back in 1955, very few if any people "qualify" for the top rate.

Most of the last tax reduction went to the top earners.
True, to quote the late great Jack Layton: "Tax cuts don't benefit people who don't pay taxes."
Apparently, 40% of Canadians don't pay taxes.
 

toguy5252

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LOL. Now you are quoting socialist to support your argument for lower taxes.

Are you saying that you are OK with high marginal rates in principle as long as they do not apply to too many people?
 

Darts

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LOL. Now you are quoting socialist to support your argument for lower taxes.

Are you saying that you are OK with high marginal rates in principle as long as they do not apply to too many people?
Actually, I'm a firm believer that the best way to reduce the incentive for tax avoidance (or tax evasion) is to reduce tax rates.
 

Valcazar

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Actually, I'm a firm believer that the best way to reduce the incentive for tax avoidance (or tax evasion) is to reduce tax rates.
Ah yes, the classic "I intend to cheat on my taxes, so you should reduce tax rates so I don't cheat on my taxes as much" doctrine.
 
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Ah yes, the classic "I intend to cheat on my taxes, so you should reduce tax rates so I don't cheat on my taxes as much" doctrine.
So much for his weak argument. He is radical right, irrational, unreasonable and not intelligent. Don't expect to get through to him. Once you've cornered him he will just run away and turtle like he always does.
 

toguy5252

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Actually, I'm a firm believer that the best way to reduce the incentive for tax avoidance (or tax evasion) is to reduce tax rates.
So by that theory the best way to eliminate all tax evasion and/or avoidance is to eliminate taxes altogether.

In reality there is am equilibrium which can be achieved whereby the government collects the maximum tax without adversely affecting economic activity. the amounts are the subject legitimate debate, however, in such a debate it is necessary to separate the rhetoric from the empirical evidence.
 

danmand

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Ah yes, the classic "I intend to cheat on my taxes, so you should reduce tax rates so I don't cheat on my taxes as much" doctrine.
\You are correct. If there are no taxes, nobody will cheat on taxes. Irrefutable.
 

jcpro

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Actually, I'm a firm believer that the best way to reduce the incentive for tax avoidance (or tax evasion) is to reduce tax rates.
I have never seen so much tax evasion in Canada as I have seen in the last few years-evasion and avoidance. Tax planning is now well entrenched as another branch of the economy(mostly for the wealthy) and straight avoidance in the form of barter economy or "puffed up" invoices for everyone else. It's a very big problem.
 

Darts

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In reality there is am equilibrium which can be achieved whereby the government collects the maximum tax without adversely affecting economic activity. the amounts are the subject legitimate debate, however, in such a debate it is necessary to separate the rhetoric from the empirical evidence.
Yes, I can mention but can't take credit for the Laffer Curve.
Laffer Curve Definition (investopedia.com)
 
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danmand

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I have never seen so much tax evasion in Canada as I have seen in the last few years-evasion and avoidance. Tax planning is now well entrenched as another branch of the economy(mostly for the wealthy) and straight avoidance in the form of barter economy or "puffed up" invoices for everyone else. It's a very big problem.
My experience is that the level of complaints about taxes is dependent upon the effectiveness of the tax collectors.

In Denmark, which traditionally have had some of the highest tax rates, not as many complains about taxes, because the tax collection is efficient, and therefore fair to everybody.
 
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