A Meteorologist Said This Might Be Among The Worst Winters In Over Two Decades For Ontarians And We Could Even See Some Snow In October
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Of course we are changing things. Humans shape their environment. We changed the climate of Central Ontario by erecting GTA, not by much, but enough to be noticeable. Microclimates are being changed all over the world by artificial lakes, irrigation, agriculture, etc. All those affect weather patterns, but we adapt to those as well because we must to survive. And that drive to survive caused us to make great strides in cleaning up of our environment. BUT, the global warming is beyond our reach simply because the forces involved are not only too great to control, but simply we don't understand them, yet. The idea that CO2 is driving the changes is ridiculous as is the premise that we can influence the long term climatic trends.
That statement is ridiculous.
CO2 vs temperature last 150 years.
CO2 vs temperature last 800,000 years.
So you Lefties keep preaching that weather =/= climate, and here you are using 2 weather events and trying to pass it off as proof of climate change.
You're not the sharpest tool in the shed, eh basketcase
And he STILL refuses to deal with my original point, concerning evidence.So you Lefties keep preaching that weather =/= climate, and here you are using 2 weather events and trying to pass it off as proof of climate change.
You're not the sharpest tool in the shed, eh basketcase
There is a theory that involves temperature as the outcome. My original point - warm "global warming" Cool - "global Warmoing" still stands.
Please explain to me what temperature evidence for you would be enough for you to regard the models as wrong?
In.the 80s, the prevailing theory was that the CO2 variations were the trailing effect of the temperature fluctuations. And they were right.That statement is ridiculous.
CO2 vs temperature last 150 years.
CO2 vs temperature last 800,000 years.
How about when phil mcnasty, johnlarue or captain kirk win a Nobel award for their work on climate change?
The climate models that have incredibly accurately predicted the warming we've seen through the world just won the Nobel.
Would you say that confirms the models are really fucking accurate or are you going to claim you know more than the Nobel committee about science and the climate?
Trio win Nobel Prize in physics for climate discoveries
Syukuro Manabe, Klaus Hasselmann and Giorgio Parisi share prize for climate models and understanding of physical systems.
Hey phil, did your Nobel show up in the mail yet?
Oh, and barny, here's a record of the change in temp for the two hemispheres.
How do you see this as not increasing?
Sorry but as I said, you are wrong. There are aspects that we don't have absolute 100% understanding of but we know a fair bit. In case you missed it, the Nobel in physics was just awarded recognizing decades of work understanding the physics of climate change.
Sorry but just because you don't understand the masses of research on the impact of COs and other greenhouse gases doesn't make it ridiculous.
Who was it who stupidly brought up their (flawed) memories of last winter to try and prove there is no warming?So you Lefties keep preaching that weather =/= climate, and here you are using 2 weather events and trying to pass it off as proof of climate change.
You're not the sharpest tool in the shed, eh basketcase
You have no theory, no understanding of what's going on and are simply repeating some lines you read on a meme somewhere.
As for evidence, how about graphics that compare the models to measured data? Would that be suitable for you? One thing I've noticed with flat earthers, creationists, and climate deniers is the idea that since they can't understand what scientists are talking about that it must be lies.
I'm sure you believe that scientists are lying to suit some agenda and not misrepresenting or avoiding the evidence studied for the past 40 years.
That's great that the Nobel people rewarded his achievement. Maybe even he got the prize without the help of politics. But, since you mentioned it, I doubt it. BTW, unless he can predict "unusual " cooling on the South Pole, it's all gibberish.
So your theory is that scientists around the world are really lying because of politics? Thanks for admitting your fondness for tinfoil.
As for your attempt at a gotcha question, are you aware of something called ocean currents that are responsible for heat moving around the world? Is it too hard to understand that changes to temperature and salinity affect the ocean 'conveyors' and therefore causes changes to LOCAL climates and that these LOCAL decreases can exist at the same time of an overall warming?
And that is just off the top of my mind. If you really need, it will be really easy to find the masses of research on the topic.
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Lol!!! I know enough to tell when I'm being hassled, especially when it's done by a creepy Swedish teenager, a moron from Ottawa or an anonymous internet nobody.
It is hard to believe how any physicists could come up with a climate
model that shows dumping GHG into the environment to have NO impact.
Even someone without an advanced degree knows steam traps heat in the kitchen. As such adding water to the model is expected to change the
temperature predicted.
Not to dispute research into our understanding of climate change but it is the generalization of the prediction of climate modelers into the
real world that is more relevant to the climate change debate. Wall Street
is known to have hired physicists to develop algorithms based on models
of human behavior in stock market for stock trading. Accuracy of these
models is a function of profits generated not understanding of traders'
psychology.
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What am I denying? It's right I'm my post that I acknowledge the proven fact that the climate is changing. Try reading.
No, its just the science about using the products you push here.
Remember, even when Exxon and Shell used their own internal scientists to check the numbers in the 80's they came up with the same projections as everyone else.
Exxon Knew about Climate Change Almost 40 Years Ago
A new investigation shows the oil company understood the science before it became a public issue and spent millions to promote misinformation
Now the models are getting better and better, more and more accurate, as the Nobels just noted.
The Nobels also awarded an economist who showed that carbon taxes are the best way forward.
And if we do nothing, like you and jc are pushing, we'd be taking the planet into a thermal maximum in a few hundred years.
Government scientists, Exxon's scientists, they all came to same conclusion.
You're pushing a disaster on the planet cuz you like the money from your job.
