Conservatives won’t disclose candidate vaccination rate, despite setting 90% national target

[bver_hunter]

Once again you don’t look at the big picture you do realize the other side is Egypt

The Palestine authority is responsible not Israel and there’s no legal obligation for them to do anything

It’s a fact that hamas the Terrorists Are cowards hide and launch attacks surrounded by civilians using them as shields when Israel strikes back civilians get killed but that’s 100% hamas’s fault Hamas does this for the photo ops

If Hamas did not hide Among the civilians the civilians wouldn’t be In any risk all risk again is the fault of Hamas

Israel is 100% legally justified to respond to attacks any country when attacked will respond

Perhaps you need some Geography Lessons:

In 1988, with the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) intention to declare a Palestinian State, Jordan renounced all territorial claims to the West Bank, including East Jerusalem.[32] In 1993, following the Oslo Accords, parts of the territories politically came under the jurisdiction of the Palestinian National Authority (Areas A and B). Israel still exercised full military control and, civil control over 61% of the West Bank (Area C). The Oslo Accords established access to the sea for Gaza within 20 nautical miles from the shore. The Berlin Commitment of 2002 reduced this to 12 miles (19 km). In October 2006 Israel imposed a 6-mile limit, and at the conclusion of the Gaza War restricted access to a 3-nautical-mile limit, beyond which a no-go zone exists. As a result, in 2012 more than 3,000 Palestinian fishermen were denied access to 85% of the maritime areas agreed to in 1995.[33] The majority of the Dead Sea area is off-limits to Palestinian use, and Palestinians are denied access to its coastline.[34]

Israel disengaged from the Gaza Strip in 2005. The Hamas takeover of Gaza in 2007 divided the Palestinian territories politically. Abbas's Fatah largely ruled the West Bank and was recognized internationally as the official Palestinian Authority.[35] In 2009, the UN considered the West Bank and the Gaza Strip to be still occupied by Israel.[10]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_territories#cite_note-UNOCHADec2009-11

So once again Hamas is in charge of just The Gaza Strip. The West Bank is ruled by The former PLO. However, overall Israel still has control in what can or cannot be accessible by either of the two Palestinian Authorities. In other words, Egypt has zero control on either of the Palestinian Territories!!

 

[contact]

Perhaps you need some Geography Lessons:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_territories#cite_note-UNOCHADec2009-11





So once again Hamas is in charge of just The Gaza Strip. The West Bank is ruled by The former PLO. However, overall Israel still has control in what can or cannot be accessible by either of the two Palestinian Authorities. In other words, Egypt has zero control on either of the Palestinian Territories!!

So what now you’re posting Frank’s Terrorists propaganda maps?

Israel doesn’t have to do anything no one hasto give any vaccine to anyone else

Delete below is from a new source that’s 100% biased against Israel and it clearly shows Palestinian troops guarding the Egyptian border

Egypt closes Gaza border amid tensions with Hamas

Rafah closure linked to Cairo’s efforts to broker long-term ceasefire between Israel and Hamas, Egyptian officials say.

www.aljazeera.com

Egypt–Gaza border - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Hamas has killed Egyptian soldiers and they created a large buffer zone in response

 

[basketcase]

No, Israel is the occupying power.
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Not according to Oslo


And it is incredibly pathetic that even at the mention of Israel gets you frothing at the mouth and trying to hijack threads.

 

[basketcase]

Yes they refused the vaccines that were close to the expiry date. In return they were then supposed to transfer batches of brand new shipments from Pfizer back to Israel.
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There were still many weeks before expiry and those same batches continued to be given to Israelis. They were rejected for political reasons.

 

[basketcase]

Perhaps you need some Geography Lessons:
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Seems you do too if you think that map has any meaning other than propaganda.

For example the first map is utter bullshit. It pretends that there was such a thing as Palestinian land in 1946. There was (and is) some land privately owned by what would later be described as Palestinians and private land owned by Jews. Depending on the source, this private land accounted for somewhere between 15 and 25% of the land. The vast majority of the land was state owned.

That means that most of the land was Ottoman government land when they ruled and British government land under the mandate. If Partition was implemented, the state land in the Jewish state would become Israeli state land and the state land in the Arabs state would become Palestinian state land (instead it became Jordanian and Egyptian state land).

 

[bver_hunter]

Seems you do too if you think that map has any meaning other than propaganda.

Seems like the propaganda that you only buy. The British Mandatory Palestine did exist in 1946, there was no political entity called “Israel” until 1948.

For example the first map is utter bullshit. It pretends that there was such a thing as Palestinian land in 1946. There was (and is) some land privately owned by what would later be described as Palestinians and private land owned by Jews. Depending on the source, this private land accounted for somewhere between 15 and 25% of the land. The vast majority of the land was state owned.

That means that most of the land was Ottoman government land when they ruled and British government land under the mandate. If Partition was implemented, the state land in the Jewish state would become Israeli state land and the state land in the Arabs state would become Palestinian state land (instead it became Jordanian and Egyptian state land).

Nothing was bullshit, and just your own assumptions.

The map accurately depicts the land that has been forcibly taken from Palestinians since 1946, two years before Israel was established and the accompanying expulsion of between 750,000 and a millionPalestinians to make way for a Jewish state.

During and immediately following the state's creation in 1948, Israel expropriated 4.25 million acres of Palestinian land. In the process, more than 400 Palestinian cities and towns were systematically destroyed by Israeli forces or repopulated with Jews. Most Palestinian population centers, including homes, businesses, houses of worship, and vibrant urban centers, were demolished to prevent the return of their owners, now refugees outside of Israel's pre-1967 borders or internally displaced within them.

 

[bver_hunter]

There were still many weeks before expiry and those same batches continued to be given to Israelis. They were rejected for political reasons.

The vast number was less than two weeks.

 

[basketcase]

Seems like the propaganda that you only buy. The British Mandatory Palestine did exist in 1946, there was no political entity called “Israel” until 1948.



Nothing was bullshit, and just your own assumptions.
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Seriously, pull out a history book once in a while. First, the British mandate lasted from 1920 and 1948 so yes, it absolutely did exist in 1946. And you must not have read much of my post because I never said Israel existed before 1948. And if you want to be accurate, the term "Palestinian" wasn't commonly used to describe the Arab inhabitants of the region until the late '50s.

And as for the rest, you miss the fact that after the Arab leadership rejected Partition, they launched a war. In the war, Jewish forces captured land and forced some Palestinians out. At the same time, the Jordanian forces conquered Jewish owned land (including the ancient Jewish Quarter of Jerusalem) and forced every single Jew out. This wasn't a one sided thing like you want to suggest (and then there's the million Jews chased out of their homes in Arab countries because they were Jews).



And no, the map is wrong. Palestinian owned and Jew owned land together composed at most 25% of the land. The rest was state owned land.

 

[basketcase]

The vast number was less than two weeks.

And? Israel was still using doses from the same batch. The PA could easily have done the same but they didn't like the politics and some worried that vaccines coming from Israel would lead in to conspiracy theories about them.

What this does clearly show though is that the PA were the ones running the vaccination program for West Bank Palestinians.

 

[bver_hunter]

And? Israel was still using doses from the same batch. The PA could easily have done the same but they didn't like the politics and some worried that vaccines coming from Israel would lead in to conspiracy theories about them.

What this does clearly show though is that the PA were the ones running the vaccination program for West Bank Palestinians.

Israel could have sent the doses in much earlier during that Pandemic. However, we know that they received far more doses that they could administer. So when they were getting I. the newer doses, all they did was to send the ones that were about to expire. There was no way that the Palestinians had the infrastructure to administer all of them prior to their expiry date.

 

[basketcase]

Israel could have sent the doses in much earlier during that Pandemic. However, we know that they received far more doses that they could administer. So when they were getting I. the newer doses, all they did was to send the ones that were about to expire. There was no way that the Palestinians had the infrastructure to administer all of them prior to their expiry date.

Yes they could have but like every country, they prioritized their citizens. Despite the slow start, Canada has plenty of vaccines and we could have sent some to the PA or anywhere else.

Doesn't change the fact that the PA rejected a load of doses mainly because they came from Israel. The infrastructure thing is a weak defense as well as you're trying to blame Israel because the PA Health Ministry is poorly run.

 

[bver_hunter]

Seriously, pull out a history book once in a while. First, the British mandate lasted from 1920 and 1948 so yes, it absolutely did exist in 1946. And you must not have read much of my post because I never said Israel existed before 1948. And if you want to be accurate, the term "Palestinian" wasn't commonly used to describe the Arab inhabitants of the region until the late '50s.

It pretends that there was such a thing as Palestinian land in 1946.

Obviously you have forgotten what I was responding to especially when you state that it "pretends" that it is The Mandated Palestinian Land.
Creation of Israel, 1948

Milestones in the History of U.S. Foreign Relations - Office of the Historian

history.state.gov 3.0 shell

history.state.gov

Mandatory Palestine was a geopolitical entity established between 1920 and 1948 in the region of Palestine under the terms of the League of Nations Mandate for Palestine.

And as for the rest, you miss the fact that after the Arab leadership rejected Partition, they launched a war. In the war, Jewish forces captured land and forced some Palestinians out. At the same time, the Jordanian forces conquered Jewish owned land (including the ancient Jewish Quarter of Jerusalem) and forced every single Jew out. This wasn't a one sided thing like you want to suggest (and then there's the million Jews chased out of their homes in Arab countries because they were Jews).

And no, the map is wrong. Palestinian owned and Jew owned land together composed at most 25% of the land. The rest was state owned land.

The Jews lived their normal lives in the Arab countries prior to the conflict. But the scale in which the Jews were driven out in no way matched the number of Palestinians that were displaced from their homelands by the Israeli forces over the decades. I stand by that map, and of course we know that you will not accept the real facts. Anyway, these posts have gone totally off the topic to this thread!!

 

[bver_hunter]

So what now you’re posting Frank’s Terrorists propaganda maps?

Israel doesn’t have to do anything no one hasto give any vaccine to anyone else

Delete below is from a new source that’s 100% biased against Israel and it clearly shows Palestinian troops guarding the Egyptian border

Egypt closes Gaza border amid tensions with Hamas

Rafah closure linked to Cairo’s efforts to broker long-term ceasefire between Israel and Hamas, Egyptian officials say.

www.aljazeera.com

Egypt–Gaza border - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Hamas has killed Egyptian soldiers and they created a large buffer zone in response
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"Terrorist Propaganda Maps"?? Really. Wow, so anything that you disagree with is automatically to do with "terrorists"? ROTFLMAO!!
Now what is the difference between your map and the map in the 2010 year that I posted?? Just that tiny border from the Gaza portion borders Egypt.
Israel controls the Gaza Strip's northern borders, as well as its territorial waters and airspace. Egypt controls Gaza Strip's southern border, under an agreement between it and Israel. Neither Israel or Egypt permits free travel from Gaza as both borders are heavily militarily fortified. So you still need to learn the actual facts!!

 

[NotADcotor]

Not according to Oslo


And it is incredibly pathetic that even at the mention of Israel gets you frothing at the mouth and trying to hijack threads.

I am reminded of this guy

Serdar Argic - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

One time this guy posted a Greek recipie for Turkey and sure enough the bot responded in typical fashion with an odd rant.

 

[bver_hunter]

Yes they could have but like every country, they prioritized their citizens. Despite the slow start, Canada has plenty of vaccines and we could have sent some to the PA or anywhere else.

Doesn't change the fact that the PA rejected a load of doses mainly because they came from Israel. The infrastructure thing is a weak defense as well as you're trying to blame Israel because the PA Health Ministry is poorly run.

The fact is that Israel were well ahead of all nations in the vaccines administration. Unlike Canada that had a lot of catching up to do initially. However, when Israel's glut of vaccines were due to expire, that is when they sent it to Palestine. Remember that Israel controls and regulates the trade etc of goods that are imported and exported out of Palestine:

https://unctad.org/system/files/official-document/rdpseud1_en.pdf

This has weakened the Palestinian infrastructure / economy etc. in many ways. So Israel does have the responsibility to ensure that vaccines are distributed in a more fair manner to Palestinian territories. This is even the most basic criticism by the UN. Pushing out the vaccines to the Palestinians close to the expiry date as Israel was getting fresh shipments coming in does make it seem like they consider The Palestinians to be third class creatures. Yet they wanted the future shipments of new batches to the Palestinians to be diverted to Israel!!