Not over equally talented white Christians and they won't have the same opportunities to move up the corporate ladder.
Do you believe in privilege? White privilege, etc?
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Lots of possible points
1. To actually discuss an idea? Strange that a discussion board might have people discussing things.
2. To make people aware of others points of view and maybe consider them?
3. To piss off rednecks who want to pretend that white people are somehow the victims or claim that the "white race" is being destroyed?
That's certainly not true at least if you believe that racism is not a white only thing I have seen all races be affected by racism. Certainly there are areas of Toronto where you will be targeted because you are white - presumably you avoid those areas. There are many stores in Toronto where you will pay extra because you are white. or not receive the culture discount at any rate (so not just whites are targeted)
However no this proves privilege anymore than not being in slavery is a privlage. The baseline of acceptable human behaviour is not a privilege but the baseline. Its pretty horrible when decency is considered a privilege.
The fact is that anyone in Canada be they homeless to Conrad Black have wealth privlage compared to the world at large. Likewise, there is racism in Canada if you measured it on a world scale (or rather, it would be so small as to be not noticeable) The world tends towards the ethnic Rwandan genocide and such. Or illegal people like Trevour Noah, who should not have existed legally. Or pricing determined by your race like Myanmar. Or different laws depending on your religion like in most of the Middle East. The Irony is that Canada liberal policies allows fresh import of racism or similar each year. A co-worker new to Canada is obsessed with the "homosexual agenda" to convert everyone into homosexuals, a common myth he claims from where he comes from.
The west proably has made the greatest strides in even admitting that tribalism/racism/sexism exists - I can not think of one homegrown feminism movement not influenced by the west for example. I am sure some must exist and would love to hear about them, but they certainly are not well known nor did they travel very far out side of there region (vs. American feminism/racial equity etc.)
Canada under one of our worst PM Mulroney played a major rule in ending Apartheid in South Africa.
Not according to this study.
Thank you for posting that. I probably should have posted links to prove some of the points I have been making. Like this exact one.
I hear you but the concept of white privilege is bollocks. First, you have to define what you mean by white. European white?, NA white etc. I don’t think a definition is possible and that’s why generalizations in politics and social constructs is completed flawed.
So you don't believe in white privilege? What about the rest? There is a list of privilege.
I don’t believe it works in a group setting. There are too many variables.
Sure, I believe in advantage and privilege as individuals.
White skin. Sure there may be other factors within white people of different ethnic origins, but people with white skin, as a group, have more advantages than non whites. The preponderance of white people in powerful positions in society tends to propagate this, even in absence of overt racism. That is what white privilege is. I’ll ask again, would any white person here swap places with a black person of the same age. I’d bet not even if they were in the same job / income category, and I suspect Chris rock is right, not even if rich.
I know almost for a fact that if I was a black homeless and pregnant teen, I wouldn’t be where I am today as I don’t believe I would have been given the same help, support and opportunity to start a business of my own, be given a chance by people that made that start happen.
You would today. I don’t know anyone in social services who would purposely turn away a homeless black teen if she asked for help. Where do you think we live. It’s not 1955 Alabama.
That is something, but that is not the opportunity to start a business to actually make a living. There is a big difference. People took a chance on me and a talent they saw in me. It was a risk they took that I truly believe would not have been afforded to a black pregnant teen. You assumed incorrect when you thought I was solely talking about getting some government financial help. Which just perpetrates the cycle BTW.
Bolloxs and outdated thinking. You need to move on with the times. I think your beliefs of white privilege are slightly racist. It’s as if you want black communities to believe they are already behind the 8 ball. It’s not true. They can rock this world.
I personally believe in a positive mindset. I’d rather raise a community by making them feel empowered rather than attack opposite community to try to bring them down.
So you received help and support and Did they tell you it was because you were white? Or are you making assumptions.
You folks need to shake it in different circles. I don’t know anyone who would refuse to help anyone in need, based on colour.
So because you don't know anyone that means it doesn't happen? Come on man. Seriously?
I was there. I know what happened and how I got my start. I do not believe a black girl would have had the same. I think I may know a little better then you as I was actually there.
Now if a black girl went up to them and ask for help, they would. They would have properly directed her to social services, housing services, etc. But to take a business risk on someone is a totally different thing.
I can say the same about a teen guy who was expecting to be a father. He wouldn't have gotten the sale chance either.
My gender and my race gave me an upper hand over a black girl or a white guy.
Cool story and amazing for you. Although it’s a shame you don’t believe a pregnant black girl would have the same individual advantage as you did. Your beliefs are part of the problem and will hold the black community back. Sometimes you have to raise someone’s confidence with a can do attitude rather than make someone believe the world is already against them based on the color of their skin.
I do believe it could happen.
We have a difference of opinion then. I think your thinking is ignorant of reality and a part of the problem.
Guess we will have to be mature enough to agree to disagree.
PS / I will add this was almost 30 years ago. So I will give you the time factor. We have come far but still have a ways to go.
Another one for you.
U.S. clean energy sector must expand hiring beyond white men -report
U.S. clean energy jobs are overwhelmingly dominated by white men, and efforts to boost industries like renewable energy and electric vehicles should make sure that women and people of color are not overlooked, a report published on Thursday said. More than 60% of workers that hold jobs in clean...
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I don't see the correlation between having sex with black people and that defining you as nonracist.
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