Ontario Vaccine Passport

NotADcotor

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Hope you realize that vaccinated people still catch and spread covid just like unvaccinated people. This law is retarded as fuck and its going to create a divided society
1: Vaccinated people are much less likely to get covid than the unvaccinated
2: Vaccinated people who do get covid are much less likely to pass the disease on to others.
Issac Bogash was just making this point on the television news tonight.

But hey I suppose you are opposed to seat belts and driving sober because those arn't 100% either.
For that matter, why are you on terb. People complain about being disappointed after seeing someone who is well reviewed.
 

JuanGoodman

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1: Vaccinated people are much less likely to get covid than the unvaccinated
2: Vaccinated people who do get covid are much less likely to pass the disease on to others.
Issac Bogash was just making this point on the television news tonight.

But hey I suppose you are opposed to seat belts and driving sober because those arn't 100% either.
For that matter, why are you on terb. People complain about being disappointed after seeing someone who is well reviewed.
So why are we in the 4th wave?
 

NotADcotor

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So why are we in the 4th wave?
There are enough unvaccinated people out there, the Delta has a very high transmission rate [yep, fucking trans again]
It is the opposite of a complete and total mystery.
I would ask if you have been following the news and the posting on terb but I know the answer is sadly yes, you just either don't care or refuse to accept reality.
 

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1: Vaccinated people are much less likely to get covid than the unvaccinated
2: Vaccinated people who do get covid are much less likely to pass the disease on to others.
Issac Bogash was just making this point on the television news tonight.

But hey I suppose you are opposed to seat belts and driving sober because those arn't 100% either.
For that matter, why are you on terb. People complain about being disappointed after seeing someone who is well reviewed.
Please so your proof of that
 
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Does anybody here remember Brampton's (aborted ) attempt to force patrons of massage parlours to "register" at the front desk with a driver's license? The proposal was quickly dropped due to fierce opposition. (This was quite a number of years ago). Many people pointed out at the time that patrons should have a right to enjoy legal activities in private mode. Does anybody (I'm talking to you, Freshandicap) worry about the long-term costs of giving this freedom up? (Make no mistake: this measure will NOT turn out to be temporary). Now I'm not talking about Covid here, or any other new disease that might come along. And for the record: I've had both jabs, and I also don't give a damn who knows that I go to the parlours. It's not about that. It's about the few, fast diminishing freedoms we still have.
 

JuanGoodman

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There are enough unvaccinated people out there, the Delta has a very high transmission rate [yep, fucking trans again]
It is the opposite of a complete and total mystery.
I would ask if you have been following the news and the posting on terb but I know the answer is sadly yes, you just either don't care or refuse to accept reality.
More than 70% fully vaccinated and yet less than 30% are responsible? Who will the 4 times vaccinated blame for the 5th wave, the 3 times vaccinated?
 

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More than 70% fully vaccinated and yet less than 30% are responsible?
Yes. That's why the new mandates are in place and why they're pushing for the 30% to be vaccinated. Covid transmission and hospitalizations among the unvaxxed are significantly higher, even though they make up less of the population. 30% of the population is a little over 4M people, which is still a lot.
 

Jubee

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Does anybody here remember Brampton's (aborted ) attempt to force patrons of massage parlours to "register" at the front desk with a driver's license? The proposal was quickly dropped due to fierce opposition. (This was quite a number of years ago). Many people pointed out at the time that patrons should have a right to enjoy legal activities in private mode. Does anybody (I'm talking to you, Freshandicap) worry about the long-term costs of giving this freedom up? (Make no mistake: this measure will NOT turn out to be temporary). Now I'm not talking about Covid here, or any other new disease that might come along. And for the record: I've had both jabs, and I also don't give a damn who knows that I go to the parlours. It's not about that. It's about the few, fast diminishing freedoms we still have.
Is this you? lol/jk
 

Aioria

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It is not the end all solution but a solid temporary measure. Of course there will be breakthrough cases, but likelihood of transmission between fully vaxxed people is significantly reduced compared to that among unvaccinated individuals. And even the vaccinated people that get it will be less sick and hospitalizations will not skyrocket. The whole point is to minimize transmission and prevent further lockdowns, not ensure zero cases. That's why the vast majority of businesses support the mandate. It's about staying open and keeping money in their pocket since over 3/4 of the eligible population is fully vaccinated.
This is not entirely true. There is such a thing as natural immunity. Something I learned quite a bit about in Virology class at UofT. However, it's something for some reason being ignored by the so-called experts. Technically those unvaccinated people who've got covid-19 and recovered have developed natural antibodies. You can actually get a SARS-CoV-2 antibody test at a private lab like DynaCare and your results will show you have antibodies not due to vaccine. So first of all these vaccine apps should also recognize those with such proof as amongst the "vaccinated". However, the only distinctions they make is vaccinated, partially vaccinated, and unvaccinated, and that is wrong. Second of all you make two incorrect assumptions:
1) that the 1/4 unvaccinated do not carry antibodies against the virus, there are many in this group who have recovered from covid-19 and have immunity
2) that the 3/4 vaccinated carry antibodies against the virus. A lot of people who were vaccinated around January 2021 may no longer have antibodies to protect themselves and technically should be labelled as "unvaccinated", hence why they want to have them get a third shot
The vaccination stats shared daily are not completely accurate so what you say about 3/4 of the eligible population being vaccinated is not exactly true.
 
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JuanGoodman

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This is not entirely true. There is such a thing as natural immunity. Something I learned quite a bit about in Virology class at UofT. However, it's something for some reason being ignored by the so-called experts. Technically those unvaccinated people who've got covid-19 and recovered have developed natural antibodies. You can actually get a SARS-CoV-2 antibody test at a private lab like DynaCare and your results will show you have antibodies not due to vaccine. So first of all these vaccine apps should also recognize those with such proof as amongst the "vaccinated". However, the only distinctions they make is vaccinated, partially vaccinated, and unvaccinated, and that is wrong. Second of all you make two incorrect assumptions:
1) that the 1/4 unvaccinated do not carry antibodies against the virus, there are many in this group who have recovered from covid-19 and have immunity
2) that the 3/4 vaccinated carry antibodies against the virus. A lot of people who were vaccinated around January 2021 may no longer have antibodies to protect themselves and technically should be labelled as "unvaccinated", hence why they want to have them get a third shot
The vaccination stats shared daily are not completely accurate so what you say about 3/4 of the eligible population being vaccinated is not exactly true.
Something to keep in mind also is the fact that you can't make any money on natural immunity.
 

NotADcotor

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1: Vaccinated people are much less likely to get covid than the unvaccinated
2: Vaccinated people who do get covid are much less likely to pass the disease on to others.
Issac Bogash was just making this point on the television news tonight.
Please so your proof of that
You really expect me to go through the footage of the major news channels looking at a bunch of videos to hunt down a quote which based on what I've seen on terb in general you will just ignore, not understand or dismiss if you will even watch the bloody thing?
While I am at it, might as well ask me to suck your dick and let you spew in my rectum because that ain't gonna happen either.

Also the first point has been shown over and over again on terb. So I really can't take your request seriously.The second point isn't unreasonable, it isn't as if I'm claiming the earth is flat or Justin Beiber isn't history's greatest monster.
 
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Aioria

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1: Vaccinated people are much less likely to get covid than the unvaccinated
2: Vaccinated people who do get covid are much less likely to pass the disease on to others.
Issac Bogash was just making this point on the television news tonight.
What you say or what Isaac Bogash says is true. Afterall, that's the point of having vaccines.
However, there should be a disclaimer mentioning that we're assuming that all of the vaccinated still have antibodies against the virus and that none of the unvaccinated have ever gotten covid-19 and recovered naturally hence having natural antibodies against the virus.
 

Aioria

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There are enough unvaccinated people out there, the Delta has a very high transmission rate [yep, fucking trans again]
It is the opposite of a complete and total mystery.
I would ask if you have been following the news and the posting on terb but I know the answer is sadly yes, you just either don't care or refuse to accept reality.
From what I remember delta has been around here since May and even back then they claimed it was the deadliest most contagious variant. Can you explain to me why did our government decide with such information to reopen everything starting in mid-June? You may say vaccination numbers reached what they had wanted which was at first 65% which changed to 70% then 80% and I heard 90% just a week or two ago. However, no one knew if the vaccines were really effective against delta and so we have this new variant with extremely high transmission and yet number of cases kept dropping for 2 months. Was delta sleeping? How is it that only in mid-August cases started to slowly rise just as we approached the school year and fall? Does it make sense to you that the most contagious variant was dormant while everything and I mean everything reopened from bars to clubs to casinos you name it and cases kept dropping from mid-June to mid-August. That some mystery to me.
 

NotADcotor

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From what I remember delta has been around here since May and even back then they claimed it was the deadliest most contagious variant. Can you explain to me why did our government decide with such information to reopen everything starting in mid-June? You may say vaccination numbers reached what they had wanted which was at first 65% which changed to 70% then 80% and I heard 90% just a week or two ago. However, no one knew if the vaccines were really effective against delta and so we have this new variant with extremely high transmission and yet number of cases kept dropping for 2 months. Was delta sleeping? How is it that only in mid-August cases started to slowly rise just as we approached the school year and fall? Does it make sense to you that the most contagious variant was dormant while everything and I mean everything reopened from bars to clubs to casinos you name it and cases kept dropping from mid-June to mid-August.
As for why the government does anything, I donno. They have people coming at them from all sides.
As for the rest. It seemed the earliest stages of the current series of lockdowns [numbered not coloured] were good enough to improve things, the next stages to keep things steady, the current stage not good enough for containment.
It usually takes a few weeks after moving to a new stage for numbers to change as it takes time for people to get symptoms and get tested and have results.
At least that's how I remember it.
 
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NotADcotor

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However, there should be a disclaimer mentioning that we're assuming that all of the vaccinated still have antibodies against the virus and that none of the unvaccinated have ever gotten covid-19 and recovered naturally hence having natural antibodies against the virus.
Considering how 20ish% of cases are coming from the 70%ish of the population and how the 15% who are unvaccinated have a large lions share of cases, I would think
1: Most of the double vacced ar protected, something is obviously working. There might be exceptions of course, like the immuno compromised but still. If just about everyone didn't have antibodies they numbers shouldn't be as good.
2: I don't think Covid has spread enough in the population for significant amounts of either the vaccinated or unvaccinated to have significant anti bodies. However I could be wrong, I donno. However if the majority of cases are not form the 15% of those unvacced but rather say for sake of arguement half have natural antibodies, the 7.5 percent who are not vaccinated and haven't been exposed, that would present a pretty good arguement to get protected either way. Vaccine is not likely to kill you or give you long covid, can't say that about getting covid.
I don't see much need for a disclaimer.
 

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He's right. A bunch of companies almost at the same time came up with a bunch of these vaccines at record times and then nothing since. It's been almost a year since these vaccines were introduced. It makes no sense. And unlike the flu shot that's available each year that targets the likely strains they believe will be prevalent during that flu season, the booster shot for covid they are talking about is basically getting the same vaccine that was developed for the novel coronavirus and which you've already had been injected with twice and which is not even 100% effective for the novel coronavirus let alone all these new variants that keep coming out
It makes a lot of sense and the numbers bear out that the vaccine is working. I am positive they are working on a new improved version but this takes time. They can't give the dumbass anti-vaxxers ammunition to jump and down saying it's rushed, it's rushed.

Your natural immunity is to a certain extent valid but natural immunity also seems to have an 8-month cycle before it wanes off as well and at least one shot is advisable but of course if you're an anti-vaxxer you're going to argue against rational common sense.
 
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No, you won't. That's the point of the QR code - privacy without having to double ID. Makes it a lot faster at, say, a Raptors game - scan ticket, scan QR (of course, for people with both on their phones, there will inevitably be delays caused by people who don't have both ready and can't readily flip between the two).

But, yes, it would be quite easy to fake, even without the phone. For people without phones, you can print the sheet with the QR code, so I could get my vaccinated buddy to print his and just flash that for the spa to scan.

And if none of your vaccinated friends will do that, you could always print your SO's and use that o_O
You still have to show id with QR code. The picture id is to verify you are who you say you are.
 

maurice93

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Please so your proof of that

Let’s say 75% of adults are vaccinated in Ontario which is basically what is being reported.. may be a bit more.

based on those charts, and simple math (take the unvaccinated or non fully cases * 3/ vaccinated cases)

unvaccinated individual vs vaccinated are:
28 times more likely to be in ICU
14 times more likely to be in hospital
9 times more likely to have tested positive for COVID.

Lets put the serious consequences aside for a moment and focus on that “9” figure.

So it is clear they while there are certainly breakthrough cases amongst the vaccinated there is some fairly good effectiveness from catching it… even if not as much as was hoped.

Therefore even if you believe that once a vaccinated gets it they spread it as easily, they are still much more likely to not have it in the first place. So sitting beside a vaccinated individual or being with one is much less risky for that reason.

Unvaccinated are also getting the more serious symptoms based on the charts and those are still believed to impact viral load more greatly. They could also be the type to risk going out there when they are not feeling well, but that is just personal speculation.

I will do your bullshit counter for you;
- fake data and fake news
- bad math
- delta variant caused by the vaccinated / vaccine sheddingz.
 

six_pac

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Yay, finally. Hopefully this will encourage the holdouts to get vaccinated.

You should think twice before encouraging anyone to take this vacine, i personally know 3 ppl that almost died from fizer, and have heart issues, just from the first dose, you may have been lucky to have no issues, with first 2 doses, but 3-4 are coming up in spring-fall of 2022, you might not be se lucky the next time around..... These are healthy young ppl in their 20s i am talking about... I got my 2 and was lucky enough, but after a friend collapsed in front of me with chest pain and shortness lf breath 2 days after receiving it, and new announcements of dose 3-4 i am done with this shit.
 
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