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mandrill

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Wankees 11-game winning streak has given them the 1st WC. The upside is that they're getting those wins against the A's.
 

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Regardless, he should be reprimanded/punished for not running out a ground ball
Regardless, you have no idea of the makeup and atmosphere of the clubhouse, no idea of the relationship between manager and players and zero experience as a manager of a professional team.

Game winning RBI for Kirk, when nobody has been able to deliver lately. And two starts in a row for Kirk. Obviously Montoyo has been showing faith in him instead of being a disciplinarian. It looks like he has a better way idea of how to get the most out of players.
 

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I like this team a lot, but I'm afraid their window of opportunity is all but closed for this season. Their lacklustre relievers (except for Romano) and - to a lesser degree - the recent clutch hitting slump have spoiled their chances.
They're not that far behind but there may be too many teams to get past.
 
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Phil C. McNasty

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Regardless, you have no idea of the makeup and atmosphere of the clubhouse, no idea of the relationship between manager and players and zero experience as a manager of a professional team.

Game winning RBI for Kirk, when nobody has been able to deliver lately. And two starts in a row for Kirk. Obviously Montoyo has been showing faith in him instead of being a disciplinarian. It looks like he has a better way idea of how to get the most out of players
Better way idea??
 

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Better way idea??
Yeah. Let a professional manager who knows his player, knows his team and has experience managing do it his way.

And it looks like he was right. No punishment and that player gets a crucial game winning RBI when the team has been 2 for 632 with men in scoring position the last couple of weeks.

The end justifies the means.
 
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Yeah. Let a professional manager who knows his player, knows his team and has experience managing do it his way.

And it looks like he was right. No punishment and that player gets a crucial game winning RBI when the team has been 2 for 632 with men in scoring position the last couple of weeks.

The end justifies the means
Regardless, he should still be reprimanded/punished for not running out a ground ball
 

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Regardless, he should still be reprimanded/punished for not running out a ground ball....
....in your mind with your expertise.

If Montoyo had done what you said, maybe Kirk would have had the winning RBI twice yesterday instead of just once. The Jays would be only 4 games behind Boston now instead of 4.5
 

Phil C. McNasty

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....in your mind with your expertise.

If Montoyo had done what you said, maybe Kirk would have had the winning RBI twice yesterday instead of just once. The Jays would be only 4 games behind Boston now instead of 4.5
I'm not disputing that, but regardless he should still be reprimanded/punished for not running out a ground ball
 
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I'm not disputing that, but regardless he should still be reprimanded/punished for not running out a ground ball
It looks like Montoyo is agreeing with you. Kirk truly is being severely punished/disciplined.

They are not letting him start 3 games in a row at catcher. Instead, he is only the DH. That should teach him.
 
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The clock is running out on Chucky ...
Correct. I'd guarantee that he is here only until at least the end of 2022. But unless the team tanks next year (under 86 wins) it will be longer.

I hope that the battery does not run out on that clock before he's gone.
 

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I agree with Eddie that players should be held accountable..but 10 game benching is not the answer. On Monday, you could seee Tony Larussa chewing out his catcher for calling the wrong pitch....but then he put his arm around the kid.

Good time Charlie does nothing of the sort....and he needs to fight for his players. Case in point...ump calls a strike on what was clearly ball 4 to Vlad. No noise from dugout....just maybe the young ump would have called the next pitch a ball(it was a strike) if he was afraid of hearing more from the dugout
 

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It looks like Montoyo is agreeing with you. Kirk is truly is being punished/disciplined.

They are not letting him start 3 games in a row at catcher. Instead, he is only the DH. That should teach him.
Thats not good enough. He should be reprimanded/punished for not running out that ground ball.

But I think Buntoyo might be too weak to do that
 

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Hey Phil. They need to discipline Vladdy. First inning and he barely reached a jog going down to first. It was shameful.

Did you see it?
 
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Hey Phil. They need to discipline Vladdy. First inning and he barely reached a jog going down to first. It was shameful.

Did you see it?
I did not see it. Currently watching soccer.
But then he should be disciplined too. No player should above reproach.

Or are you saying some players are bigger than the club??
 

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What it really was ..was Vlad giving away another at bat....meek grounder to pitcher on first pitch....a pitcher he had never faced before. The batting coach (i am not sure we have one.....j/k) should be on his case
 

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Hey Phil. They need to discipline Vladdy. First inning and he barely reached a jog going down to first. It was shameful.

Did you see it?
Same thing in his 2nd at bat. He did not come close to running it out.

What should Montoyo do to Vladdy, Phil?
 

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I did not see it. Currently watching soccer.
But then he should be disciplined too. No player should above reproach.

Or are you saying some players are bigger than the club??
I definitely agree all players should be treated equally.

Trust me, Vladdy jogged on both of them. That should be 20-40 games of punishment plus the 10-20 for Kirk.

What type of discipline were you contemplating that would last 10-20 games? You never mentioned. And they are still only 4.5 back.
 

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for the last month Vlad has hit like he was Mario Mendoza (look that up oldtimers)......crazy idea, bat him 8th in the order like Mendoza...send message number 3 hitter has to produce. And Bichette...let him overswing from the ninth spot......I know it is not going to happen...but neither are the playoffs
 

Phil C. McNasty

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I definitely agree all players should be treated equally.

Trust me, Vladdy jogged on both of them. That should be 20-40 games of punishment plus the 10-20 for Kirk.

What type of discipline were you contemplating that would last 10-20 games? You never mentioned. And they are still only 4.5 back.
50-game suspension for Vladdy. And 1,000 push-ups
 
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