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BDS Can’t Single Out Israel - Israel is the One And Only Occupier of Palestinian Land

basketcase

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Only 13% of Palestinians think Israel is serious about the two state solution.
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But it is the preferred solution of 46%, as opposed to your 6% elitism.

Love how you pathetically try and dig for something in Palestinian polling when the reality is Palestinians detest the idea you want to force them into, they significantly oppose peace talks, and half of them think violence is the best way to achieve peace.
 

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The fact is that it’s one state already with Israeli law enforced uniformly across all territory controlled by Israel. What makes it apartheid is the patchwork of legal constructs that uniformly privilege Jews over any other group. This occurs within what we normally call Israel and the real Israel which is all the territory that Israel has controlled and ruled for more than half a century.

The trouble for Israel is that acknowledging the reality of the one state means dealing with the biggest fear of all supremacists….equality.
Sorry but you obviously don't knoiw the definition of Apartheid. Israel gives rights to citizens over non-citizens. That includes the 20% of their population of Arab ethnicity. Arab Israelis have the same legal rights as Jewish Israelis whether in Israel or the Israeli controlled parts of the West Bank. In fact they have more rights because the PA allows Israeli Arabs full access to their areas of the West Bank but not Jews (whether Israeli or not). That is actually the definition of Apartheid. Israeli Arabs also have slight advantages under Israeli law as National/military service is voluntary for them and non-Jews have greater freedom of where they can pray.

There is systemic racism in Israel towards Arabs and it can be seen in the implementation of some laws but the laws themselves aren't based on race like required in the definition. As a Canadian, we have enough problems with that systemic racism to accept your propaganda that completely ignores what the definition of Apartheid actually is.
 

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Yup. They should have the right of return. Problem solved.
Strange because you have repeatedly argued that Jews shouldn't have the right to 'return' to East Jerusalem when they were forced out by the Jordanian army in an actual ethnic cleansing.
Then we can discuss compensation for the million Jews chased from their Arab homelands by overt racism and the 800,000 Israel spend huge amounts to integrate into their society.

But no surprise you're looking to excuse the abuses of the Arab dictatorships.
 

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Agree? It’s international law. You must have missed that Mensa meeting.

But if you want to understand Homer’s crocodile tears for Palestinians, take a gander at one his previous howlers
Are you trying to say that is untrue? Hamas is quite open about its support of terrorism, desire to target civilians, and goal of eliminating the Jewish presence from the region.
 

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So you are saying that it is Israel's fault that these other countries keep these people in camps and do not give them basic rights? For 60 + years?
They think everything is Israel's fault.

Like most ethnic conflicts at the time, there was a two way transfer of population. India integrated Hindu refugees and Pakistan/Bangladesh integrated Muslim refugees. Turkey assimilated ethnic Turks and Greece assimilated their people. Same with Poland and the Soviets as well as several other groups around the peace in WWII. More modern, with the breakup of Yugoslavia. Seems the Arab League are the only ones who refused to allow refugees the chance to assimilate as required by UN treaty.
 

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Yes, Israel could have honoured the multiple UN resolutions calling for them to recognize their universal Right of Return.
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Those resolutions clearly stipulate as a result of peace treaties.

More significantly (and typical for you) polling of refugees/descendants has very few of them who actually want to be Israelis (single digit percentages) but you have proven you have zero interest in what Palestinians actually want.
 

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Yes, they have been living in refugee camps for 60 years because Israel won't let them back.
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Meanwhile generations of refugees to Canada have become Canadian citizens instead of being left in camps paid for mainly by Western governments.
 

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Israel could do more? What a strange statement. You jump right over Israel’s ethnic cleansing. ...
Strange. Israel did an 'ethnic cleansing' where the vast majority of people who fled did so long before Israeli soldiers were near them and 250,000 who didn't object to Israel existing became full citizens. On the other side, every single Jew who lived in territory conquered by Jordan was actually forced out at gunpoint and Jews in much of the Arab League had their rights stripped because racist governments used their religion as an excuse to persecute them.
 

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Wait, so you wanted the host countries to accept them as full on citizens instead of hosting them as refugees?
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That's exactly what the UN Convention of Refugees stipulates.

But if you think Canada should start locking refugees up instead of accepting them...
 

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They see anyone as racist if they don't consider Israel the most evil place in the world.
Go ahead and list all the other apartheid countries we should complain about.

That's exactly what the UN Convention of Refugees stipulates.

But if you think Canada should start locking refugees up instead of accepting them...
The UN convention says what the UN has repeatedly demanded, that states honour the universal Right of Return.
Why do you think only Israel doesn't have to obey international law and honour basic human rights?
 
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Sorry but you obviously don't knoiw the definition of Apartheid.
You think you know better than HRW?

Hilarious.
How about B'tselem?

How about the UN, do you know the definition of apartheid better than them?
 
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They see anyone as racist if they don't consider Israel the most evil place in the world.
The fact that they cannot come to level any criticism whatsoever at countries that are deserving of criticism regardless of the side of the argument just continues to demonstrate that they are incapable of any kind of objective criticism of Israel. It is simply myopic hate and completely unproductive. It will not advance the cause they say they support one bit and regrettably will likely have the opposite effect. Sad.
 

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That's exactly what the UN Convention of Refugees stipulates.

But if you think Canada should start locking refugees up instead of accepting them...
Wow….14 messages without interruption in 30 minutes. That does not meet the definition of manic no matter what anyone says! It was, I am honoured to say, a master class in deflection, non sequiturs and bafflegab. I will be studying it and emulating wherever possible.
 
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Frankfooter

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The fact that they cannot come to level any criticism whatsoever at countries that are deserving of criticism regardless of the side of the argument just continues to demonstrate that they are incapable of any kind of objective criticism of Israel. It is simply myopic hate and completely unproductive. It will not advance the cause they say they support one bit and regrettably will likely have the opposite effect. Sad.
I love the fact that I posted links to 3 human rights reports from some of the most respected and trusted sources, reports that are incredibly well researched and backed up by international law and human rights and your comment is 'they are incapable of objective criticism of Israel'.

If HRW isn't 'objective criticism' to you, what is?
Bnai Brith?
 
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