Are there still naysayers over the delayed 2nd shot plan?

Frankfooter

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The fact is the delay in the second dose wasn’t done by design or strategy but done solely cause of lack of supply. The availability of vaccines has dedicated the program almost from day 1 and still continues.

There was nothing scientific about it.

cad rollout has been done contrary to best practices cause of supply and only supply.

1. Delaying second dose up to 4 months
2. Entering into an agreement with China for a Chinese vaccine (Wtf would take that shite)
3. Telling Canadians to not take AZ (after India imposed an export ban
4. Using vaccines past expiry
5. Flip flopping AZ not for <60 & >65, then it’s approved when AZ supply was expected to exceed Rnra vaccine shipments
6. Stoping AZ for first doses when supply ran dry
7. Mismatching vaccines shots. People are more likely now to get Pfizer as thei second dose (cause we have gotten more shipments of Pfizer and the govt has no clue how to get more of the other two).

The federal strategy can be summed up as beggars can’t be choosers, we’ll take anything from anyone approve it and tell people that’s the best one.

And what so you don’t think that Warrants criticism, get the fuck out of here!
Which of those were specifically against the advice of NACI or doctors?
 

nottyboi

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The fact is the delay in the second dose wasn’t done by design or strategy but done solely cause of lack of supply. The availability of vaccines has dedicated the program almost from day 1 and still continues.

There was nothing scientific about it.

cad rollout has been done contrary to best practices cause of supply and only supply.

1. Delaying second dose up to 4 months
2. Entering into an agreement with China for a Chinese vaccine (Wtf would take that shite)
3. Telling Canadians to not take AZ (after India imposed an export ban
4. Using vaccines past expiry
5. Flip flopping AZ not for <60 & >65, then it’s approved when AZ supply was expected to exceed Rnra vaccine shipments
6. Stoping AZ for first doses when supply ran dry
7. Mismatching vaccines shots. People are more likely now to get Pfizer as thei second dose (cause we have gotten more shipments of Pfizer and the govt has no clue how to get more of the other two).

The federal strategy can be summed up as beggars can’t be choosers, we’ll take anything from anyone approve it and tell people that’s the best one.

And what so you don’t think that Warrants criticism, get the fuck out of here!
Supply was driven by a worldwide shortage, nothing ANYONE can do to fix that issue. In light of that reality the 4 wk delay was the best possible option. This is all you get in govt. A lot of non ideal options. Expiry dates are set based on typical data, test verify of that data is correct or not after real world situations present. All these realities are part of a global screamble for vaccine, which considiering Canadas small nation status among giants, the govt did very well. Adapting and changing to deliver an excellent result and saving many lives in the process. Most of the vaccines in arms are Pfizer and Moderna, which is the gold standard. Hardly beggars. I got a AZ/Moderna mix, which I am very happy with and it should deliver even better resistance then a 2x of any single vax.
 

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Yeah, that's from March.
Also reasons that have been explained many times but you just refuse to accept.
the reasons are against the manufactures instructions the government made the decision with ZERO evidence it was ok to do so
 

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So what? you think data based on a 30K human trial is better then data based on millions of humans ?
the manufacture knows more then the liberals do and DID when they made this decision with ZERO evidence it was safe/ok to do so
 

nottyboi

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All this bla bla bla. The Luddite brain trust cannot even accept HARD RESULTS. lol. "Dammit THat Trudoo govt had a success, I would much rather I was RIGHT then have people not dying BRING BACK THE PANDEMIC" lol
 

nottyboi

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the manufacture knows more then the liberals do and DID when they made this decision with ZERO evidence it was safe/ok to do so
Nonsense there is plenty of evidence from Israeli and European data. The recommendation was made by the NACI not the govt. Its working and we are lucky the NACI had the brains and courage to do this as it has saved many, many lives
 

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Nonsense there is plenty of evidence from Israeli and European data. The recommendation was made by the NACI not the govt. Its working and we are lucky the NACI had the brains and courage to do this as it has saved many, many lives
the decision was made BEFORE there was any evidence it was ok to do so

its STILL against what the manufacture says
 

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my first shot march 4th (just looked at printout) my second was scheduled for June 24th which was moved up to June 8th (BUT that was only because I got on a pharmacists overflow list and he had an extra dose at days end that they didn't want to waste) so 92 days But the original date for second dose would have been 117 days
This is what you said:
Yes because those of us who got the first shot in late April or early March waited three to 3 1/2 months for the second shot when the manufacturer recommended 21 to 28 days
How could someone who received the 1st dose in late April have waited 3 1/2 months, which would be mid-July, when it is now only June 21. That is impossible.
 

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This is what you said:

How could someone who received the 1st dose in late April have waited 3 1/2 months, which would be mid-July, when it is now only June 21. That is impossible.
please RE-READ I said MARCH and April people who got shots in April STILL all don't have second shot so they very well may be 3 1/2 months




march 4th till June 8th =92 days the original date for second shot was June 24 which would have been 117 days

BOTH of those date FAR FAR exceeds the 21 days the manufacture recommends
 
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Nonsense there is plenty of evidence from Israeli and European data. The recommendation was made by the NACI not the govt. Its working and we are lucky the NACI had the brains and courage to do this as it has saved many, many lives
Considering they went from Astra Zeneca is safe to we don't recommend it for second shot within 30 days I'd say political pressure was clear. They were scrambling with what they had.

And BTW the ONLY reason we have unlimited shots now is the USA has a surplus due to their population resistance getting it. If they were clamouring for it like we are bets AZ would be a great choice Now because no USA supply would have shipped.

Please don't try to say these bodies don't bow to politicians. They do. Who do you think pays them?
 
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Frankfooter

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Considering they went from Astra Zeneca is safe to we don't recommend it for second shot within 30 days I'd say political pressure was clear. They were scrambling with what they had.

And BTW the ONLY reason we have unlimited shots now is the USA has a surplus due to their population resistance getting it. If they were clamouring for it like we are bets AZ would be a great choice Now because no USA supply would have shipped.

Please don't try to say these bodies don't bow to politicians. They do. Who do you think pays them?
Those changes were the result of information from medical studies, which is to be expected with so many new vaccines that everyone wanted rushed.
I'm sure you would have preferred it if the liberals just made one announcement and stuck with that plan despite all new research.
 
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nottyboi

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the decision was made BEFORE there was any evidence it was ok to do so

its STILL against what the manufacture says
Not true, there was already evidence during the certification of the vaccine based on some subjects that got on vax and 1 placebo. How do you think they arrived at the 2 dose decision?
 

nottyboi

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Considering they went from Astra Zeneca is safe to we don't recommend it for second shot within 30 days I'd say political pressure was clear. They were scrambling with what they had.

And BTW the ONLY reason we have unlimited shots now is the USA has a surplus due to their population resistance getting it. If they were clamouring for it like we are bets AZ would be a great choice Now because no USA supply would have shipped.

Please don't try to say these bodies don't bow to politicians. They do. Who do you think pays them?
The job of the Canadian govt is to get Canadians the best available option. Now that there is a better option, that is what they are going with. I don't understand why you are offended by this or view this as some kind of failure.
 

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Not true, there was already evidence during the certification of the vaccine based on some subjects that got on vax and 1 placebo. How do you think they arrived at the 2 dose decision?
When the liberals because of lack of Procurement decided to delay the second dose for three months there was no evidence whatsoever saying that was fine They made it up and if I remember correctly no other country is going as long as we are the second dose
 
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The facts is that a non-manufacturer such as Canada administered more doses per Capita of the Pfizer, Moderna, Astra Zeneca and Janssen vaccines than any other nation on this planet.
They are far ahead of the USA per capita for those who have received at least one dose. That is thank you to a nation that did not pander to this Anti-Vaxxer propaganda floating online and a Government that in hind sight made the correct decision to vaccinate as many Canadians as possible with at least one dose!!

 

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The facts is that a non-manufacturer such as Canada administered more doses per Capita of the Pfizer, Moderna, Astra Zeneca and Janssen vaccines than any other nation on this planet.
They are far ahead of the USA per capita for those who have received at least one dose. That is thank you to a nation that did not pander to this Anti-Vaxxer propaganda floating online and a Government that in hind sight made the correct decision to vaccinate as many Canadians as possible with at least one dose!!

Amazing job the Federal government, in the end, has done!

He should be proud

 
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