Are there still naysayers over the delayed 2nd shot plan?
- Thread starter nottyboi
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Yes because those of us who got the first shot in late April or early March waited three to 3 1/2 months for the second shot when the manufacturer recommended 21 to 28 days
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They didnt have a choice due to supply so no they don't get credit. But they don't get blame either. It's Canadians who have stepped up in droves to get the shot I applaud. We just need to reach out to hopefully ten percent more to get it(the last 15 are to stupid) and we will be in great shape.
But Trudeau initially went with Cinofax Chinese Vaccine which is only 60% and even less on Variants. We dodged a bullet by having the Chinese fuck us over. So any benefits are NOT due to his leadership but happenstance and a dice roll.
But Trudeau initially went with Cinofax Chinese Vaccine which is only 60% and even less on Variants. We dodged a bullet by having the Chinese fuck us over. So any benefits are NOT due to his leadership but happenstance and a dice roll.
That is an impossible time frame.
3 1/2 months from late April is mid-July. Today is June 21.
But they had a choice to either get some people double-dosed within the manufacturers' time frame or get more people partially vaccinated/immunized with a single dose, which is what they did.
They/Trudeau made the right choice and deserve the credit for that.
my first shot march 4th (just looked at printout) my second was scheduled for June 24th which was moved up to June 8th (BUT that was only because I got on a pharmacists overflow list and he had an extra dose at days end that they didn't want to waste) so 92 days But the original date for second dose would have been 117 days
Pfizer says 21 days interval between shots so I for instance was ONLY 71 days OVER that and would been 96 days over
I know people who got shots earlier then me who waited just as long a me for second shot
Statement: Pfizer position on dosing intervals of the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine | Pfizer Canada
Statement: Pfizer position on dosing intervals of the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine
23/03/21
We recognize that recommendations on alternative dosing intervals reside with health authorities and may include recommendations due to public health principles. However, as a biopharmaceutical company working in a highly regulated industry, our position is supported by the label and indication agreed upon with Health Canada and informed by data from our Phase 3 study.
Pfizer and BioNTech’s Phase 3 study for the COVID-19 vaccine was designed to evaluate the vaccine’s safety and efficacy following a 2-dose schedule, separated by 21 days. The safety and efficacy of the vaccine has not been evaluated on different dosing schedules as the majority of trial participants received the second dose within the window specified in the study design.
Data from the Phase 3 study demonstrated that, although protection from the vaccine appears to begin as early as 12 days after the first dose, two doses of the vaccine are required to provide the maximum protection against the disease, a vaccine efficacy of 95%. There are no data from this study to demonstrate that protection after the first dose is sustained after 21 days.
We remain committed to our ongoing dialogue with regulators, health authorities and governments, and to our continued data sharing efforts to help inform any public health decisions aimed at defeating this devastating pandemic.
It was a dice roll. And they got lucky.
As I said in another thread I credit the Scientists, Doctors, Military, Pharmacies, and Front line workers. And the Canadian People. They stepped up. No one, Trudeau, Ford et al get serious credit for any of it.
Honestly I think the world dodged one here. So many pandemics in the past killed so many more. We got lucky in comparison to case and death tolls. And no one politician turned the tide in any nation. We came this close to triage.
But if you think the present leadership we have did anything but muddle through and react after as opposed to plan ahead you weren't paying attention. Especially on border closures.
And just so don't think its partisan the govt does get full credut for CERB and CEWS in my opinion. It had to be done and it was done right.
Im giving them all a C grade. We are middle of the pack. And for anyone who points to vaccination rates thats Canadians stepping up. Whatever nation we are catching up to and surpassing they had availability first.
So they made multiple good choices.
Trying to get the first vaccine, switching to the better choices when it became feasible and then deciding to go with single doses at first.
And still you complain.
I don't think that was the right call. I would have gotten anyone age 60 and over a 2nd dose before giving a healthy 20 something their 1st dose. Unless they were at a high risk of infection due to their job or living arrangements.
Fed procurement and single vs double doses.
That was a call by the feds as a national health care decision.
What specific things could have been done better?
What country, without vaccine production of their own, did better?
The biggest issues as far as I'm concerned were provincial, with Ford's endless, partial lockdowns #1 in big failures.
Refusing to listen to his science board to deal with long term care in wave 1 refusing to take care of essential workers with vaccines and paid sick leave in wave 3.
that nonsense has already been debunked many times. Stop living in the past. Canada was very early to sign for the vaccines, which is why we are ahead of most major nations today. Sinovax was just one option that was considered.
That is a provincial decision. Just like DOFO delayed vaxing LTC residents and thousands died. That was his decision.
It was a NACI recommendation, but yes the Provinces did have to adopt it. Quebec and BC moved before NACI and Ontario and AB waited. Hundreds died as a result.
Trudeau is a moron and therefore, not surprisingly, screwed up the Covid 19 file as badly as he's screwed up every other file. Canada will survive this in spite of him, not because of him.
It's time to stamp a big Chinese flag on his ass and send him off to the UN where he can continue his career of doing nothing.
It's time to stamp a big Chinese flag on his ass and send him off to the UN where he can continue his career of doing nothing.
The fact is the delay in the second dose wasn’t done by design or strategy but done solely cause of lack of supply. The availability of vaccines has dedicated the program almost from day 1 and still continues.
There was nothing scientific about it.
cad rollout has been done contrary to best practices cause of supply and only supply.
1. Delaying second dose up to 4 months
2. Entering into an agreement with China for a Chinese vaccine (Wtf would take that shite)
3. Telling Canadians to not take AZ (after India imposed an export ban
4. Using vaccines past expiry
5. Flip flopping AZ not for <60 & >65, then it’s approved when AZ supply was expected to exceed Rnra vaccine shipments
6. Stoping AZ for first doses when supply ran dry
7. Mismatching vaccines shots. People are more likely now to get Pfizer as thei second dose (cause we have gotten more shipments of Pfizer and the govt has no clue how to get more of the other two).
The federal strategy can be summed up as beggars can’t be choosers, we’ll take anything from anyone approve it and tell people that’s the best one.
And what so you don’t think that Warrants criticism, get the fuck out of here!
There was nothing scientific about it.
cad rollout has been done contrary to best practices cause of supply and only supply.
1. Delaying second dose up to 4 months
2. Entering into an agreement with China for a Chinese vaccine (Wtf would take that shite)
3. Telling Canadians to not take AZ (after India imposed an export ban
4. Using vaccines past expiry
5. Flip flopping AZ not for <60 & >65, then it’s approved when AZ supply was expected to exceed Rnra vaccine shipments
6. Stoping AZ for first doses when supply ran dry
7. Mismatching vaccines shots. People are more likely now to get Pfizer as thei second dose (cause we have gotten more shipments of Pfizer and the govt has no clue how to get more of the other two).
The federal strategy can be summed up as beggars can’t be choosers, we’ll take anything from anyone approve it and tell people that’s the best one.
And what so you don’t think that Warrants criticism, get the fuck out of here!
That is complete rubbish The guidance was backed by data. What WAS a dice roll is the pathetic lockdown policies of DOFO, Kenny and Pali. All resulting in carnage and billions in economic losses when they came up SNAKE EYES.
