Family in London mowed down by driver

[Frankfooter]

I love how you call something a lie and then refuse to even show why.

You admitted yourself that there were no noticeable border restrictions on Gaza until 2007, 2 years after Israel removed all Israelis from Gaza and then say I'm lying when I agree with you. That is a sign of a real obsession.

How many restrictions are on shipments to the West Bank where the government isn't actively engaged in terrorism? Same Israel, same ethnicities involved. How do you explain the differences? I also see you have no comment on Hamas stealing significant amounts of financial and material aid impacts the needy in Gaza. of course you don't see it possible to blame anyone other than Israel. Egypt also has a border with Gaza. Why aren't you demanding Egypt send more aid there or allow international aid? And yes, Egypt's actions in 1949 and the results of the Egyptian-Israeli peace deal played a huge role in the establishment of Gaza.

But we all know that you are psychologically incapable of Israel occasionally does good things or occasionally the bad things were contributed to by Palestinian leaders.

Look, this is supposed to be a thread on calling out terrorism and violence on Muslims in Canada.
Yet you turned this thread into yet another Israel/Palestine thread where you continue to justify attacking Muslims and ruling them through apartheid.

Now you think for some reason that I should praise how Israel turned Gaza into an 'unliveable' version of the 'world's largest open air prison'.
I have no idea why you forcing 2 million people to live through multiple wars, incredible poverty and a brutal military oppression is something that should be praised.

Instead of calling out racism you've been defending marches in Israel where 'death to Arabs' is shouted by mobs backed by the police and where Israel just started bombing Gaza again.
This hatred you have of Palestinians should not be taking over this thread.

You should stop calling for more violence against Muslims in Palestine.
Its time to end apartheid and the incredible hatred of Palestinians you present here.

UN opens Israeli war crimes probe following Gaza war, calls for embargo

Following Operation Guardian of the Walls against Gaza terrorist groups, for the first time ever the UNHRC has created a permanent fact-finding mission regarding a UN member state.

www.jpost.com

 

[basketcase]

Then either ...

Yes, that is why I call Hamas terrorists. Hamas admits that they fire rockets indiscriminately at cities and has openly supported bombings, drive-bys, and ramming attacks on civilians committed by their members so there is no need to wait for an investigation to condemn them.

If you have evidence that the IDF was intentionally targeting civilians or the value of military targets targeted were not high enough to justify civilian deaths, take it to the ICC.


p.s. have you even realized the massive double standard that you never wait for evidence to condemn Israel, posting any random tweet you see as some kind of proof but insist we wait until the ICC concludes Hamas are terrorists? Are those rights groups you keep talking about no longer acceptable? Sorry but I'll stick with the Canadian definition of terrorism.

 

[basketcase]

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Pathetic you are as wrapped up in your mythology as much as franky is if you think bombing civilians is a good way to get things done.

 

[basketcase]

Look, this is supposed to be a thread on calling out terrorism and violence on Muslims in Canada.
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I though human rights was a universal thing.

So yes, it is perfectly relevant to ask why you are so willing to condemn terrorism from some white guy against Muslims but are unwilling to condemn Muslims when they commit terrorism. Your history of three handles of massive double standards means your comments about racism and violence are quite suspect. It's probably best that you avoid these threads and leave the condemnation of anti-immigrant, anti-Muslim terrorism to the adults.


p.s.. proof of your rabid obsession is you start your post complaining that this thread should be about the attack in London but then quickly go back to your bile about israel.

 

[Darts]

What is pathetic is condoning invasion, occupation and oppression.

What would you do if some foreign power invaded Ontario? Ask them nicely to leave? Brits out of Northern Ireland. The sun set on the British Empire decades ago. Time for the Brits to go home. Anybody who knows anything about Irish history knows the real terrorists was the UDA.
BBC News - A history of the UDA

BTW: I think the Irish should stay out of that Middle East mess.
I also think that Palestine is the ancestral homeland of the Jews, although some disagree.
Why the Irish Support Palestine – Foreign Policy

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

This guy is charged with terrorism. Seems the crown has a good handle on it

Of course it's terrorism. But where is your evidence that its right-wing terrorism??

 

[Darts]

Ari Goldkind, who is a real defense lawyer, said on CP24 that levying a terrorism charge in this case unnecessarily complicates the case and can lead to appellant issues. He also said that the charge is much more due to political and social media pressures than legal analysis.

 

[Frankfooter]

Yes, that is why I call Hamas terrorists. Hamas admits that they fire rockets indiscriminately at cities and has openly supported bombings, drive-bys, and ramming attacks on civilians committed by their members so there is no need to wait for an investigation to condemn them.

If you have evidence that the IDF was intentionally targeting civilians or the value of military targets targeted were not high enough to justify civilian deaths, take it to the ICC.


p.s. have you even realized the massive double standard that you never wait for evidence to condemn Israel, posting any random tweet you see as some kind of proof but insist we wait until the ICC concludes Hamas are terrorists? Are those rights groups you keep talking about no longer acceptable? Sorry but I'll stick with the Canadian definition of terrorism.

So you are willing to call Hamas terrorists without any investigations but are against investigations for more heinous acts by Israel, then you accuse me of a double standard by saying both should be investigated?
Wow.

There are multiple agencies and human rights organizations calling for both Israel and Hamas to be investigated, yet here you are declaring that Hamas is already a terrorist and no investigation needed and that you can personally vouch for Israel and say they are the most moral army in the world.

Please just stop support the equal application of law and equal rights.
This is a thread about a terrorist attack on Muslims here in Canada yet you keep trying to swerve into justifying apartheid and repeated war crimes against Muslims in Palestine.
Stop supporting racism and terrorism.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/two-arrested-scarborough-mosque-1.6066929

 

[Frankfooter]

I though human rights was a universal thing.

So yes, it is perfectly relevant to ask why you are so willing to condemn terrorism from some white guy against Muslims but are unwilling to condemn Muslims when they commit terrorism.

Why do you keep lying about what I post?
I keep calling out for ICC investigations into allegations of terrorism from both sides in Israel/Palestine while you keep defending war crimes that look like state terrorism and apartheid against Palestinian Muslims.

Why, in this thread about terrorism against Muslims in Canada, do you keep switching this topic to Israel/Palestine and defending apartheid, an illegal occupation, war crimes and state terrorism?
Why do you refuse to accept reports by HRW, Amnesty, B'tselem, Yesh Din and the UN and refuse to call for justice to be applied equally?

If you really believed in human rights you'd call for the law to be applied equally to both sides, until then you are supporting Islamaphobia.
And you'd stop supporting apartheid in Israel.

Jews Against Apartheid — IfNotNowMovement

www.ifnotnowmovement.org

 

[TeeJay]

Look, this is supposed to be a thread on calling out terrorism and violence on Muslims in Canada.
Yet you turned this thread into yet another Israel/Palestine thread where you continue to justify attacking Muslims and ruling them through apartheid.

lol what?

Despite your attempts to hijack it this thread is SUPPOSED to be discussing the case that happened in London
YOU are one of the main hijackers and complain when other posters are countering your nonsense rhetoric?


Despite pages of responses nothing has been released from police yet for some odd reason so most (eg you) are speculating on what the story is about

 

[Frankfooter]

lol what?

Despite your attempts to hijack it this thread is SUPPOSED to be discussing the case that happened in London
YOU are one of the main hijackers and complain when other posters are countering your nonsense rhetoric?


Despite pages of responses nothing has been released from police yet for some odd reason so most (eg you) are speculating on what the story is about

I only started posting on this thread after baskecase insulted me and lied about what I say here. He brought me in.
Now you're posting as if there is no reason to believe the crime in London could be terrorism, despite terrorism charges being laid.
There is zero chance that crown attorneys would lay that charge if they didn't think they can win the case.

The attack in London was terrorism.

 

[TeeJay]

I only started posting on this thread after baskecase insulted me and lied about what I say here. He brought me in.
Now you're posting as if there is no reason to believe the crime in London could be terrorism, despite terrorism charges being laid.
There is zero chance that crown attorneys would lay that charge if they didn't think they can win the case.

The attack in London was terrorism.

Terrorism requires a group as it is political violance in most definitions

One lone killer (who is stated to have mental illness) hardly qualifies

 

[Frankfooter]

Terrorism requires a group as it is political violance in most definitions

One lone killer (who is stated to have mental illness) hardly qualifies

Wow, you should go tell that to the crown in London.
I'm sure they'll retract the terrorism charges.
I can't believe they missed that.

 

[xmontrealer]

Wow, you should go tell that to the crown in London.
I'm sure they'll retract the terrorism charges.
I can't believe they missed that.

As heinous and hate filled as the crime was, and believe me I would like to see the perpetrator drawn and quartered, imho the terrorism charges were added due to political and social pressure.

I agree with TeeJay's post #293. This was a hate crime, but not terrorism by strict definition.

 

[Frankfooter]

As heinous and hate filled as the crime was, and believe me I would like to see the perpetrator drawn and quartered, imho the terrorism charges were added due to political and social pressure.

I agree with TeeJay's post #293. This was a hate crime, but not terrorism by strict definition.

Who would pressure them into terrorism charges and why?
The crown and cops would have to have reasonable evidence for them to lay charges, if it was all just because of pressure they'd be laughed out of court and do big damage to their careers.

 

[xmontrealer]

Who would pressure them into terrorism charges and why?
The crown and cops would have to have reasonable evidence for them to lay charges, if it was all just because of pressure they'd be laughed out of court and do big damage to their careers.

I saw a video of Ford addressing a crowd and referring to it as a hate crime. Finally, after many members of the crowd shouted that it was terrorism, he added that to his speech, but not before.

As well, the terrorism charges were added to the first-degree murder charges well after the murder charges were laid. Never underestimate the power of public pressure to influence politicians, especially when the politicians have nothing to lose by acquiesing to that pressure. And politicians can certainly pressure the cops/prosecutors.

In this case nobody will laugh them out of court because of the added charges due to the horror of the crime, but the terrorism charges do muddy the waters and may be difficult to prove, even more so if it is a Judge only trial.

Of course a guilty verdict on the murder charges is all but guaranteed, unless a mental illness defense works.

Again, I grieve for the family that suffered this tragedy, and have zero sympathy for Veltman. I hope he gets the maximum punishment possible.

 

[Darts]

imho the terrorism charges were added due to political and social pressure.

Ari Goldkind, a real lawyer, said the same thing. Also, he said this will unnecessarily complicate the prosecution's case and provide some scope to the defense for appeal.

 

[contact]

Who would pressure them into terrorism charges and why?
The crown and cops would have to have reasonable evidence for them to lay charges, if it was all just because of pressure they'd be laughed out of court and do big damage to their careers.

who well i would guess the prime ministers office pressed for it he did after all pressure his former minister of justice to bend/break the law for him

 

[Frankfooter]

I saw a video of Ford addressing a crowd and referring to it as a hate crime. Finally, after many members of the crowd shouted that it was terrorism, he added that to his speech, but not before.

As well, the terrorism charges were added to the first-degree murder charges well after the murder charges were laid. Never underestimate the power of public pressure to influence politicians, especially when the politicians have nothing to lose by acquiesing to that pressure. And politicians can certainly pressure the cops/prosecutors.

In this case nobody will laugh them out of court because of the added charges due to the horror of the crime, but the terrorism charges do muddy the waters and may be difficult to prove, even more so if it is a Judge only trial.

Of course a guilty verdict on the murder charges is all but guaranteed, unless a mental illness defense works.

Again, I grieve for the family that suffered this tragedy, and have zero sympathy for Veltman. I hope he gets the maximum punishment possible.

Ford is a waffling, lame ass politician.
Don't confuse his statements with the charges laid by the crown with the police.
Ford isn't responsible for those charges.

 

[basketcase]

What is pathetic is condoning invasion, occupation and oppression.
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What a dumb excuse to try and justify terrorism.