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Social workers, EMS — not NYPD — to respond to non-violent mental health calls citywide

Mr Deeds

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Ya i can see this ending really well
 

Darts

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Not sure about NYC but Toronto EMS will not enter a building/house until they feel safe so they call TPS to ensure the building/house is safe. You never know when some manic will rush out of the closet and kill you with a knife.

Non-violent situations are non-violent until they become violent.

I think this is still current Toronto EMS policy.


  • immediate notification of management of any staging events
  • they must go as close to the scene as possible
  • an immediate response from management to perform a scene and safety assessment
  • the manager and paramedics involved will file incident reports
"... All such incident reports will be tracked and reviewed in a timely manner to ensure
that all paramedic staging events are reasonable and necessary," the report said
 
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angrymime666

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let the shit show begin. this is going to turn ugly.....

funny thing with people who are crazy, they are unpredictable and in a snap can go zero to 100.
 

Lickylick

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If New York can make this work, it could potentially save lives and lower the cases of mental health patients from going to jail. Reliving stress on an already overwhelmed legal system.
 
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Tomoreno

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This is going to result in a lot fewer deaths.
Many social workers are women.

Care to estimate the amount of sexual assaults they might face from mentally unstable individuals?

How about serious injuries or death?

And what does one do when a deranged/crazed person runs at you with a knife? Does an attacker stop after hearing "Wait! Let's talk!" ??
 

Valcazar

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Many social workers are women.

Care to estimate the amount of sexual assaults they might face from mentally unstable individuals?

How about serious injuries or death?

And what does one do when a deranged/crazed person runs at you with a knife? Does an attacker stop after hearing "Wait! Let's talk!" ??
I will expect fewer deaths than the number of mentally ill killed by cops.
Violence and sexual assaults will be minimal.
I'd have to look at the NY stats in depth to be able to formulate any kind of prediction.
 
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Valcazar

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They are not paid enough for their jobs as is. Now add being violently attacked by a bathsalt eater because they have no weapon or physical training to their job requirements.
You and Tomoreno should maybe talk to someone about these violent fantasies.
 

Tomoreno

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I will expect fewer deaths than the number of mentally ill killed by cops.
Violence and sexual assaults will be minimal.
I'd have to look at the NY stats in depth to be able to formulate any kind of prediction.
Let's wait and see. Time will tell.

Will you remember this if a social worker becomes the first victim or should I bring it to your attention?
 

Cantaro

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We'll see how this works, they would need to have a specially trained social workers on duty all the time.

Scenario: Crazy man waving knife or gun, the police arrives with the social worker. The social worker moves towards the Perp and says: I feel your pain Brother, how about a hug? Bang !! There goes the social worker....
 

whynot888

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This is just as retarded as what the Chicago mayor is pushing for, not allowed to pursuit until you get an approval from their supervisor.
 

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La la land
The one thing I don't understand about moronic groups is that if by statistic they are killing innocent mental people, why not use the "tazer" when help for mental person is required.
Then take the individual to the hospital.

Like how hard is that to do?

It seems to me the Police are still upset for being kicked out of the coffee shops where they were getting free coffee rims.
 

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The one thing I don't understand about moronic groups is that if by statistic they are killing innocent mental people, why not use the "tazer" when help for mental person is required.
Then take the individual to the hospital.

Like how hard is that to do?

It seems to me the Police are still upset for being kicked out of the coffee shops where they were getting free coffee rims.
I agree, but the situation is not always that simple and some of these guys are immune to the taser.

 
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The one thing I don't understand about moronic groups is that if by statistic they are killing innocent mental people, why not use the "tazer" when help for mental person is required.
Then take the individual to the hospital.

Like how hard is that to do?

It seems to me the Police are still upset for being kicked out of the coffee shops where they were getting free coffee rims.
tasers are not used to stop an attack or immediate threat as they can and do fail to subdue many people such as obese, people wearing thick bulky clothing people on drugs and mental people
 

Tomoreno

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Here's a footage from last year. He was tased, but still managed to stab an officer.

 

Valcazar

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Let's wait and see. Time will tell.

Will you remember this if a social worker becomes the first victim or should I bring it to your attention?
Feel free to bring it to my attention.
Try and keep it in context.

Scenario: Crazy man waving knife or gun, the police arrives with the social worker. The social worker moves towards the Perp and says: I feel your pain Brother, how about a hug? Bang !! There goes the social worker....
Um. no.
Waving knife or gun, police will be sent. Did you not read the article?

The one thing I don't understand about moronic groups is that if by statistic they are killing innocent mental people, why not use the "tazer" when help for mental person is required.
Then take the individual to the hospital.
You are misunderstanding the goal of the encounter.
I am a cop. I tell you to obey. If you don't, I am allowed to torture or kill you until you do.
The goal is compliance. The safety or health of the person in mental distress is irrelevant.
 

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Feel free to bring it to my attention.
Try and keep it in context.



Um. no.
Waving knife or gun, police will be sent. Did you not read the article?



You are misunderstanding the goal of the encounter.
I am a cop. I tell you to obey. If you don't, I am allowed to torture or kill you until you do.
The goal is compliance. The safety or health of the person in mental distress is irrelevant.
so guy pulls knife and in 2 seconds stabs the social worker to death police are called and arrive well after the fact

in most recent mental person police shooting the family has called police because they cant control the person, then when the police shoot the violent mental person the family claims they were peaceful and wouldn't hurt anyone (why did the family call if they were so peaceful they should be able to deal with it themselves)
 
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