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Will you take the COVID-19 vaccine?

Will you take the COVID-19 vaccine?

  • Yes, as soon as possible

    Votes: 220 57.7%
  • Yes, but I do not want to be among the first to take it.

    Votes: 68 17.8%
  • Maybe

    Votes: 17 4.5%
  • Not Sure

    Votes: 21 5.5%
  • Absolutely not

    Votes: 50 13.1%
  • I do not care if I do or don't

    Votes: 5 1.3%

  • Total voters
    381
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canada-man

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I’ll tell you right now what’s going to happen. The roughly 14% of the country that bothered to download Trudeau’s Covid tracing app will get vaccinated. Some will get bullied into it by work or family. Some are old and foolishly trust the government and the doctors.

The rest will be like me saying no fucking way, and will go to war over trying to mandate it for our children to go to school.

Not enough people recognize just how bad this is going to get. We’re not near the end of this by a long shot. The government is pot committed to seeing this through. This is going to turn into a Blade Runner or similar dystopian nightmare movie, except there’s no Ryan Gosling or Harrison Ford to save the day.
Amazing stuff!
 
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New rise in Covid cases shows that, yes, the vaccines work
Younger, unvaccinated people appear to be driving the latest uptick in Covid-19 cases.
Amazing since they are testing healthy asymptomatic children randomly in schools with a faulty test with an overclocked cycle threshold that basically invents positive cases.

They’re lying to us.
 

squeezer

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Amazing since they are testing healthy asymptomatic children randomly in schools with a faulty test with an overclocked cycle threshold that basically invents positive cases.

They’re lying to us.
The only one lying is YOU! It's worse for you if you actually believe the bullshit and nonsense you spout!
 

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EXCLUSIVE – Hospital Medical Director says level of sickness in NHS staff after Covid Vaccination is “Unprecedented”

The Medical Director of a hospital in the United Kingdom has bravely spoken out against the failure to report the reality of morbidity caused by the Covid-19 vaccination roll-out across the United Kingdom to NHS staff.

Dr Polyakova, who is the Medical Director of a hospital in Kent has said that the “levels of sickness after vaccination is unprecedented” among NHS staff, confirming that some are even suffering neurological symptoms which is having a “huge impact on the health service functioning”.

The doctor, who progressed into medical management of the hospital over the past three years says that she is struggling with the “failure to report” adverse reactions to the Covid vaccines among NHS staff, and clarified that the young and healthy are missing from work for weeks after receiving a dose of either the Pfizer or AstraZeneca experimental vaccine.

“Some even require medical treatment” Dr Polyakova said, “Whole teams are being taken out as they went to get the vaccine together”.

In response to the arising question of making Covid-19 vaccination compulsory for NHS staff, Dr Polyakova said –

“Mandatory vaccination in this instance is stupid, unethical and irresponsible when it comes to protecting our staff and public health. We are in the voluntary phase of vaccination, and staff are being encouraged to take an unlicensed product that is impacting on their immediate health.

“I have direct experience of staff contracting Covid after vaccination and probably transmitting it. It is clearly stated that these vaccine products do not offer immunity or stop transmission.

“So why are we doing it? There is no longitudinal safety data available and these products are only under emergency licensing. What is to say that there are no longitudinal adverse effects that we may face that may put the entire health sector at risk?”

Both the Pfizer and AstraZeneca jab are only licensed for emergency use only, as confirmed by Dr Polyakova. This means that the manufacturer of the vaccine, in this case either Pfizer or AstraZeneca, are not liable for any injury or ill-effect that may occur in the recipient of their product.



The Medical Director didn’t stop their though as she went on to attack the coercion and mandating of experimental medical treatments for NHS staff, comparing it to a Nazi dystopia –

“Flu is a massive annual killer, it inundates the health system, it kills young people, the old the comorbid, and yet people can chose whether or not they have that vaccine (which had been around for a long time). And you can list a whole number of other examples of vaccines that are not mandatory and yet they protect against diseases of higher consequence.

“Coercion and mandating medical treatments on our staff, of members of the public especially when treatments are still in the experimental phase, are firmly in the realms of a totalitarian Nazi dystopia and fall far outside of our ethical values as the guardians of health.

“I would never debase myself and agree, that we should abandon our liberal principles and the international stance on bodily sovereignty, free informed choice and human rights and support unprecedented coercion of professionals, patients and people to have experimental treatments with limited safety data. This and the policies that go with this are more of a danger to our society than anything else we have faced over the last year.

“What has happened to “my body my choice?” What has happened to scientific and open debate? If I don’t prescribe an antibiotic to a patient who doesn’t need it as they are healthy, am I anti-antibiotics? Or an antibiotic-denier? Is it not time that people truly thought about what is happening to us and where all of this is taking us?”

We couldn’t have said it better ourselves.

 

Valcazar

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Side comment - now that all seniors (and a bit) are eligible, I think they should be prioritizing people who can't work from home instead of lowering the age every week.
There is a strong argument for targeting roll out by "most likely to be a center of transmission" rather than by "most vulnerable to worst effects". Target people who can't work from home - especially those who work in places that are high risk to be a nexus where an outbreak happens - instead of by age and medical condition. You could also go by hotspot - target places with high circulating levels of virus and try to break transmission chains there. It's a lot tougher to do well though, in terms of logistics. Given how shitty a job we are doing with the much simpler "by age" approach, I can see why they didn't try it.
 

Valcazar

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BTW - CanadaMan's post is an excellent example to practice your "this is probably a bullshit story" skill on.

Right in the second paragraph we get this: "Dr Polyakova, who is the Medical Director of a hospital in Kent".
  1. No first name for the doctor.
  2. No name for the hospital.
Yes, this could be a "broken telephone" story where the original is fine and properly sourced and the content mills that have copied and abridged it gradually struck out those details, but the more obvious conclusion is that it is made up. The name has just enough detail to sound plausible. There are certainly hospitals of some kind in Kent.

The whole thing feels like it is written by someone for whom English is a second language and phrases like this " The doctor, who progressed into medical management of the hospital over the past three years " also seem like someone blindly copying and pasting from a linkedin profile or other bio.
 

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BTW - CanadaMan's post is an excellent example to practice your "this is probably a bullshit story" skill on.

Right in the second paragraph we get this: "Dr Polyakova, who is the Medical Director of a hospital in Kent".
  1. No first name for the doctor.
  2. No name for the hospital.
Yes, this could be a "broken telephone" story where the original is fine and properly sourced and the content mills that have copied and abridged it gradually struck out those details, but the more obvious conclusion is that it is made up. The name has just enough detail to sound plausible. There are certainly hospitals of some kind in Kent.

The whole thing feels like it is written by someone for whom English is a second language and phrases like this " The doctor, who progressed into medical management of the hospital over the past three years " also seem like someone blindly copying and pasting from a linkedin profile or other bio.
You are very polite in the way you say it's NONSENSE AND BULLSHIT!!
 

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BTW - CanadaMan's post is an excellent example to practice your "this is probably a bullshit story" skill on.

Right in the second paragraph we get this: "Dr Polyakova, who is the Medical Director of a hospital in Kent".
  1. No first name for the doctor.
  2. No name for the hospital.
lol first name is Katya if you think it makes any diff (and vast majority of articles I read refer to a doctor by last name only)
The part you quoted even has name of hospital in it (NHS) and he is the medical director for Kent Priory Group

They even have a UK website for Covid19 info

Although his specialty appears to be child psychiatry which def decreases his cred for the story
 

Valcazar

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lol first name is Katya if you think it makes any diff (and vast majority of articles I read refer to a doctor by last name only)

The part you quoted even has name of hospital in it (NHS) and he is the medical director for Kent Priory Group
Where did you find this first name? It isn't in the article canadaman posted.
The hospital's name is not NHS (that's the name of the healthcare system in the UK) and again, the name Priory Group is not in the article.

Like I said, it is possible that the article CM posted is a shitty content-mill version of a longer, more comprehensive article.
It certainly seems that way since you are confidently giving me a name for both the hospital and the doctor.

They even have a UK website for Covid19 info
Yes, so does Health Canada. That's what national health systems do.

Although his specialty appears to be child psychiatry which def decreases his cred for the story
It does because the hospital you cite (Kent Priory Group) is actually "a 17-bedded tier 4 low secure hospital for young people aged 12–18 years with mental health, behavioural or psychological difficulties, and an Ofsted-registered school which supports the young people with educational attainment."

There is no "Katya Polyakova" listed on the staff page although there is a Katya Polyakova-Nelson who is listed as having Medical Director @ Priory Group (Healthcare) in her work linkedin.

So it all still looks very suspicious, but if you show me the article that actually quotes her full name and the hospital we can see how credible it seems.
Because I'm not finding it, which it makes it look like it is the old trick of making something seeming plausible by finding a name online that vaguely matches the criteria you need and then just removing the identifying details that a real news story would use. That way someone can google it and get a plausible-sounding result but you can always claim you weren't actually referring to that person if someone wants to sue you for putting words in their mouth.
 

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Where did you find this first name? It isn't in the article canadaman posted.
I just fell back to google
I am pretty sure its same person though he is in some sort of advisory only position

His name plus rough language does imply a poor translation job
 

Valcazar

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I just fell back to google
I am pretty sure its same person though he is in some sort of advisory only position
That there is no article but if you googled the name you find something that sorta kinda looks like it would work is a sign it is bullshit.
That's how you do it. You pick a name that will work, don't actually say it exactly, and then make up your quotes.
If someone searches, they find a plausible name. If the person you used accuses you of making it up, you can deny it was them. After all, you never used the name or said the exact hospital.
You just implied it.

His name plus rough language does imply a poor translation job
Why would they need to do a poor translation job for an English article for an English website?
 

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That there is no article but if you googled the name you find something that sorta kinda looks like it would work is a sign it is bullshit.
That's how you do it. You pick a name that will work, don't actually say it exactly, and then make up your quotes.
If someone searches, they find a plausible name. If the person you used accuses you of making it up, you can deny it was them. After all, you never used the name or said the exact hospital.
You just implied it.



Why would they need to do a poor translation job for an English article for an English website?
it's a classic Russian style disinformation

https://www.conservativewoman.co.uk...ndness-deafness-miscarriages-and-5000-deaths/ claims that
A London doctor’s complaint in the British Medical Journal last week of ‘unprecedented’ levels of sickness among health service staff who have had the jab further strengthens the possibility that the vaccine is causing damage of the same type it is designed to prevent.
Under the heading, ‘Do doctors have to have the Covid-19 vaccine?’, consultant K Polyakova writes: ‘I have had more vaccines in my life than most people...
bla bla whatever

But if you check BMJ article Do doctors have to have the Covid-19 vaccine?’ it mentions 4 experts but not Polyakova. https://www.bmj.com/content/372/bmj.n810

Further search on BMJ site turns up one unrelated Maria Polyakova and that's it https://www.bmj.com/search/advanced/polyakova

Icing on the cake is that the Conservative Woman motto is "where the truth matters".
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If one doesn't find it disgusting and despicable one must be very "conservative".
 

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The Washington State Department of Health has received over one hundred reports of covid-19 in fully vaccinated individuals. These cases were reported to epidemiologists more than two weeks after the vaccinated individuals received their second dose. Health authorities are now referring to these post vaccination covid-19 positives as “breakthrough cases.” There is no certainty that the two-dose vaccine protocol prevents infections, hospitalization or mortality at all, destroying any scientific rationale that is currently being used to falsely justify the need for Vaccine Passports and widespread segregation of the unvaccinated.

Hospitalization and mortality rate is high for covid-19 infected persons who got the vaccines
Since February 1, 2021, epidemiologists have recorded 102 “breakthrough cases” of covid-19 across 18 counties in Washington State alone. A shocking eight percent of the cases were severe and required hospitalization. Two of the individuals, both over the age of 80, passed away from the very infection that the vaccines were supposed to prevent.

In just one month, 1.2 million people were vaccinated in Washington State. Only .01 percent of the vaccinated tested positive for covid-19. Positivity rates for the general population are generally much higher. However, a shocking eight percent of the people who were infected with covid-19 post vaccination required hospitalization. Of those who were infected post vaccination, the mortality rate was an appalling two percent. This statewide data shows an abnormally high hospitalization and mortality RATE for people who get covid-19 AFTER VACCINATION.

Moreover, there are likely many more cases of covid-19 infection and similar respiratory infections post vaccination, but these cases are not being recorded as part of this public health pandemic. This is because vaccinated individuals are less likely to take covid tests once they are deemed “protected.” Additionally, any respiratory infection that mirrors the symptoms of covid-19 is no longer classified as covid-19, post vaccination. Many vaccination sites are replacing covid-19 testing sites, naturally reducing the number of positives in these vaccinated populations.

Also, vaccinated individuals are no longer required to take the tests in order to travel to certain regions. How many more cases of covid-19 (false or real) would be detected if the vaccinated were held to the same testing protocol as the unvaccinated? The unvaccinated are now being pressured to take the covid tests for travel, driving up the number of cases for the unvaccinated, no matter if these cases are false positives, mild infections or severe illnesses. The likelihood of covid-19 positives in the fully vaccinated could be magnitudes higher if they were required to take the tests like everyone else. The assumption that the vaccinated are perfectly healthy and not spreading infections compared to their peers is the greatest scam perpetrated by the Vaccine Passport.

The fully vaccinated are getting sick and dying regardless of covid-19 statistics
Similar covid-19 infections, caused by covid-19 variants, are also showing up in the fully vaccinated. The Washington State Department of Health is investigating patterns among these “breakthrough cases.” Health authorities are identifying “covid-19 variants” that infect the fully vaccinated. If vaccines work as intended, how many more doses of vaccine will be needed in order to stop all these covid-19 variants? Does the widespread use of vaccines put pressure on coronaviruses, causing more mutations? Do the current covid-19 vaccines put everyone else at risk to new variants?

Washington State Secretary of Health, Dr. Umair Shah, is calling for the fully vaccinated to wear masks and avoid other people — in an open confession that the vaccines do not work. As the fully vaccinated continue to get sick and die, there will soon be nothing left to blame but the vaccines. But the vaccines won’t officially get the blame, and prideful public health authorities will continue to call for Vaccine Passports and mass compliance to the greatest failure of modern science. The underlying causes of immune system failure, medical fraud, and medical malpractice are ignored in the push to force endless vaccines on the world.

Sources include:

ABCNews.Go.com

NaturalNews.com
 

Valcazar

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it's a classic Russian style disinformation

But if you check BMJ article Do doctors have to have the Covid-19 vaccine?’ it mentions 4 experts but not Polyakova. https://www.bmj.com/content/372/bmj.n810

Further search on BMJ site turns up one unrelated Maria Polyakova and that's it https://www.bmj.com/search/advanced/polyakova
She shows up as a letter in response.

Only listed as a "consultant". It is the same text as the news article interview, though.
 

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Right in the second paragraph we get this: "Dr Polyakova, who is the Medical Director of a hospital in Kent".
  1. No first name for the doctor.
  2. No name for the hospital.
Yes, this could be a "broken telephone" story ...
Some guy named Kent who once went to a hospital?
 
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