Worst Nhl contracts?

[wazup]

You are talking national contracts. How many hockey players overall have American national contracts regardless of where they play? It's a hockey thing, not a New York thing. However, New Yorkers love their Rangers and there's lots of money to be had from local endorsements there and more so in a city like NYC than most every other NHL city. You need to compare apples to apples.

I know you are dying to prove me wrong any time you can, but you need to choose your spots better.

Maybe a few thousand from a pizza joint. The rangers don't even register in New York and never even get mentioned on sports radio. They don't even have a recognizable player. You make it sound like they're making millions in endorsements in NYC. Lolololol

Hockey is still a fringe sport in the US

 

[Fun For All]

Don't bother conversing with FFA, it's not worth your effort even typing.

But yet everybody does...

 

[maurice93]

I wasn't necessarily referring to spending power to acquire players. I was referring to how, in a cap world where many teams spend close to the limit, living in a big market might lure a player to one of those bigger markets. There's a few extra bucks to be had.

I speculated that Toronto might have some advantage over Montreal as there is more big business here. Would it be enough to make a player more willing to come to Toronto than Montreal? I wouldn't even attempt to try to make a strong argument to that effect.

Awesome reply, thanks. I knew that you were the one to ask.

I knew that this situation existed but I did not know how long it went on for and really how much of an impact it had. You have clarified it nicely.

Tardif was one of my favourite non-Leafs and was sad to see him defect. Tragically, it probably cost him having a much better career because some goon in the WHA absolutely pounded him to a pulp in a horrible incident. Tardif was defenseless. I don't think that he was ever the same. And it's interesting how you describe Houle as being the downfall of the dynasty.

Lafleur was obtained when Montreal had the Oakland Golden Seals 1st round pick. They were a bad team, but the Kings started to rival them for the worst record. So (Sad) Sam Pollock traded Ralph Backstrom to the Kings and with him they won enough games to stay ahead of Oakland and Montreal got Guy. Sam was very, very shrewd. Even without your explanation, I knew that Pollock had more to do with their success than that Quebec draft thing. Now that I think of it, the Kings helped form another dynasty when they traded Butch Goring to the Isles for Bill Harris. Once the trade was made NYI won their 4 in a row.

It was pollock that built the team to make it all time great. But those old original six territory rules still got them 2 of the big 3 on defence I think.

Regarding your points on endorsements I see and I agree. If Auston Matthews is in Montreal I think he gets less than in Toronto. The only exception would be is if his name were changed to Antoine Matthieu. Then it may be different.

 

[Fun For All]

Maybe a few thousand from a pizza joint. The rangers don't even register in New York and never even get mentioned on sports radio. They don't even have a recognizable player. You make it sound like they're making millions in endorsements in NYC. Lolololol

Hockey is still a fringe sport in the US

Wrong...Wrong...Wrong...

 

[Fun For All]

1. You explicitly said in a non cap world that players would leave Montreal for bigger dollars in the states. That was the starting point.

2. I then raised the fact the Montreal is one of the clear 3 big markets in the NHL right now in terms of revenues. In a non cap world they could have a much higher payroll than the average team.

3’. You ignored my fact because it proved your point wrong. Instead you responded , with cost of living is higher. That is moving the goalpost #1.

4. I acknowledged your fact. It is higher and it impacts the Canadiens in a cap world. But I then brought it back to your first point that in a non cap world that Montreal’s revenue power would allow them to pay more to players to make up for it.

4. Once again you ignored the entire fact of revenue power = spending power. Instead you brought up factors that are relevant in a cap world and called my post arrogant. Moving the goalposts #2.

5. When accused of moving the goalposts you say I am not acting with reality. But you are the one that is ignoring the point you made to start this thing.

I fully accept as per your last post that -
1) Montreal has to overpay for players for various reasons
2) Montreal had certain factors that make it hard to sign players if you are both paying them the same.

But the point is you yourself raised the non cap world scenario. I then brought up revenue power as totally changing things in this scenario. You ignored it and went back to cap would scenario twice.

So in summary:
- I considered and responded to your facts in a fair manner
- you ignored my facts, moved the goalposts, and then had the gall to consider me arrogant.

Here’s arrogance.

On this topic I win, you lose.

Well, considering how attractive and easy you’ve made it sound...
Has a prominent free agent ever signed with the Montreal Canadiens when there was competition from another organization

 

[Fun For All]

You can win with an overpaid goalie if that goalie is playing really well and everything else is well managed or well timed cap wise for the rest of your team.

Montreal could probably be a real contender right now if Price was playing at his 2014/ 2015 levels. But he has not been at that level for a while. In fact Montreal could probably at least be mid range contender if Price was playing at above average levels or top 10 goalie level this year. But right now anyway he is a sieve. If Price played to the level of a 6-7 million dollar goalie this year Montreal might be good.

What is scary for Montreal is they are equipped this year to overcome his questionable contract. They are helped greatly by the fact that they have to pay nothing to their 3 younger centres. But eventually they will need to be paid and at that point with Price and Weber becoming less effective it will hurt.

The window for Montreal is now as a mid-level good contender but it could be short due to back end payroll pressure that will restrict its one big advantage right now which is team depth.

That’s just silly, “...play to the level of a 6-7 million dollar goalie”, I didn’t think goalies were only required to play to the level of their contract...

 

[glamphotographer]

Jeff Skinner looking great at $9M/yr, scratched 3 games in a row. 14 games and 1 point.

 

[gcostanza]

I think the only option left for Buffalo with respect to Skinner is to buy him out and cut your losses. Save 33%. With the 3 million you save you can probably use that to get a better player than Skinner. I suppose they may wait a few years to do it as they are not spending at cap anyway ... so that the # of stretch years on the buyout is reduced.

The Sabres are $405K under the cap this year (as of today)

Buy Skinner out?
If they did so next buyout period ....
towards top left of page: Buyout Current Contract
To buy him out without crippling their cap situation, they'd probably have to wait until June 2023

Thank You - CapFriendly - NHL Salary Caps

Thank you for the amazing 9 years

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[superstar_88]

I'm still trying to locate the Carey Price is the best since sliced bread thread and the mic dropping he's the best just look at his salary as proof. I hope no one deleted that thread.

 

[gcostanza]

You need to compare apples to apples.

Or in this case, Big Apple to apples.

 

[gcostanza]

I'm still trying to locate the Carey Price is the best sinced slice bread thread ...

....This thread?

https://terb.cc/xenforo/threads/is-carey-price.732327/

 

[Fun For All]

Jeff Skinner looking great at $9M/yr, scratched 3 games in a row. 14 games and 1 point.

How about Jack Eichel with 2 goals, Taylor Hall with one, Eric Staal with three, Kyle Okposo at zero...maybe the coach is the problem.

 

[glamphotographer]

How about Jack Eichel with 2 goals, Taylor Hall with one, Eric Staal with three, Kyle Okposo at zero...maybe the coach is the problem.

Not the coach, it's the owner.

 

[Fun For All]

Sammy Pollock was probably the best GM ever. I was really young back then but I vaguely remember Pollock trading over the hill veterans like Moore, Harvey, etc. to expansion teams for draft choices.
Best trades in Canadiens history: Pollock clipped Wings for Mahovlich (msn.com)
Relentless Ineptitude: Sam Pollock, Mario Tremblay and the 1974 NHL Draft.

Dickie Moore retired and came out of retirement with Toronto, Pollock never traded him,..Doug Harvey was traded in 1961, way before the draft was a factor...the big one was trading Ernie Hicke to Oakland to exchange draft picks and then drafted Guy Lafleur.

Pollock had five picks in the first round in 1974 and the best player they got was Mario Tremblay...there are many players they missed on.

 

[Darts]

Briefly there I thought my memory was failing me, but no.

Both Harvey and Moore did play for the expansion St. Louis Blues and i think Pollock got some draft pics in return.

 

[Fun For All]

Briefly there I thought my memory was failing me, but no.

Both Harvey and Moore did play for the expansion St. Louis Blues and i think Pollock got some draft pics in return.

No...they both played for other teams before St Louis ...if you look them up you’ll find draft picks weren’t involved.

 

[gcostanza]

Not the coach, it's the owner.

Farkin' owner hasn't got a point yet, isn't solid in the room, doesn't dig pucks out of the corner, no grit, all in all, not a gud pro.

 

[maurice93]

The Sabres are $405K under the cap this year (as of today)

Buy Skinner out?
If they did so next buyout period ....
towards top left of page: Buyout Current Contract
To buy him out without crippling their cap situation, they'd probably have to wait until June 2023

Thank You - CapFriendly - NHL Salary Caps

Thank you for the amazing 9 years

www.capfriendly.com

Thanks for the info. I assume Buffalo is always one of those teams that may consider not going to cap line especially with Hall dropping off.

Nice tool. Did not know he had a bonus And that bonus causes some spikes in the first few years that are hard to manage around in a buy out.

Do agree it is best to wait for Skinner. If he can establish himself as a 4m player then it sucks cap wise, but it’s better than a buy out.

 

[glamphotographer]

No...they both played for other teams before St Louis ...if you look them up you’ll find draft picks weren’t involved.

Everything the owner touches, he loses.

 

[Archer2012]

Maybe also worse draft choice ever. We should start a "worse draft choice ever" thread.

Back when he was drafted / signed - it was around the time Lindros spilt some beer on a girl in a bar - Daigle was asked something like “what makes you special (or better) compared to “The Big E”. Daigle says “I don’t spill my beer”.

What a waste that guy was. Hell if a JR player but to soft for the NHL. He did perform in helping Hull win the Championship - he was purchased for that reason by Hull. Gretz owned part of that team. They basically “purchased” the Memorial Cup that year.