I've never heard anyone say that they think Marner is better than McDavid...I think most people do think that Matthews is better than Marner also.
2020-21 Maple Leafs Thread
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I think they are just trying to say that Marner is pretty good and one of the best players...
I've never said, or even hinted that I think Mitch Marner is better, or even on McJesus's level.
Auston Matthews, in my opinion is a better player than MM16, though both are terrific.
AM34 has stepped up his level of play this season, he has always been great, but he's playing better hockey than I think we've seen before. Connor McDavid is the best player in the world right now. I would suggest Matthews & MacKinnon are his closest pursuers at the moment. All 4 M players mentioned are elite.
I didn't interpret it that way. I think their defense of Marner is a response to people complaining about his contract (he's overpaid) and the Leafs' cap. As usual, people read something and then improperly interpret it to make it something much more than intended.
No one said Marner is better than McD. Where on earth did you get that from? You know there are some here who think Marner sucks and that he's over-rated don't you? You must have missed Dart's mic dropping speach.
I guess I did not understand it the way you posted it. Of course Marner is one of the best players in the league. You would have to be an idiot not to see that. I have criticized the way the contracts got handled in Toronto limiting the teams flexibility but I do not blame the players for this it is on management.
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Not that I am privy to any inside information but I have heard nothing to the effect of him being a drag on the mindset of his teammates. Do you have any knowledge of such a phenomenon or is it simply speculation on your part?
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Apparently Nylander was benched in the second half of the third period because Keefe was not happy with his effort. This was the second time he benched WN and I’d venture to guess that his lazy attitude doesn’t escape the eyes of his teammates.
Not that I am privy to any inside information but I have heard nothing to the effect of him being a drag on the mindset of his teammates. Do you have any knowledge of such a phenomenon or is it simply speculation on your part?
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Apparently Nylander was benched in the second half of the third period because Keefe was not happy with his effort. This was the second time he benched WN and I’d venture to guess that his lazy attitude doesn’t escape the eyes of his teammates.
Apparently Nylander was benched in the second half of the third period because Keefe was not happy with his effort. This was the second time he benched WN and I’d venture to guess that his lazy attitude doesn’t escape the eyes of his teammates.
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Keefe wanted to give Steve Simmons something to jerk off to, I mean to write about. Nylander will be back.
Looks like Keefe's going to make a lot of enemies in here, he better not think of posting in this thread.
No. I think I did understand.
My point is that it seems that there are Nylander bashers who feel very strongly about him but I think that there are zero Nylander worshippers who feel equally as passionate about him being good as his detractors do in reverse. The scale seems to be tilted.
IMO, he's skilled, fun to watch and despite some obvious defensive/physical deficiencies and streakiness he is a net asset to the team. He brings more positive than negative. How much of an asset is up for debate. If he was traded, would I be devastated or even upset? No to the first and it depends on what they got in return to the 2nd. For the detractors who feel that he's a liability, it means only one thing, that the team would be a better product on the ice if they just released him outright and got nothing in return. I disagree with that.
So when you make a comment (even if partly tongue-in-cheek) about Keefe making enemies here for benching him, it implies that you are overestimating what we think of him. That's why I asked to see some posts to that effect. Lots of us like him, but not that much.
I think I addressed earlier on why it seems like we bash him. Nylander doesn't have skill, he has immense skills, I don't think anybody disputes that. He does have issues though in other aspects of his game, one of them being defense, the other is willingness to engage, not body check, simply to engage, maybe take a hit to protect the puck.
People push back as if this guy is God, so the discussion inevitably evolves into a polarized argument.
You think WN got benched solely for getting fancy shmancy in a lock down phase of the game? There's a build up before that happens. Everyone makes a silly mistake here and there, there's more to it.
Media guys are now starting to talk openly about his approach to the game, it's not like it's coming from nowhere.
This reminds me of the Jake Gardiner arguments I had with some of the same posters who are defending Willy now. The only difference between the two Leafs is one is a d man and the other is a forward. They both have tremendous skills, but both would rather give up the puck than taking a hit to make plays, or fighting for possession with any kind of physicality.
Both can skate like the wind into open space. They would go around the net if they’re allowed to, or pull up to get rid of the puck before they get hit. The only time that Jake or Willy is credited with a hit is when he turns his other (butt) cheek and accidentally bumps into the opponent. Jake was regarded by these posters as an elite defenceman, just as Willy is regarded as a elite forward.
and how’s Gardiner doing these days with no die hard Leafs fans to blow his horn ?
Both can skate like the wind into open space. They would go around the net if they’re allowed to, or pull up to get rid of the puck before they get hit. The only time that Jake or Willy is credited with a hit is when he turns his other (butt) cheek and accidentally bumps into the opponent. Jake was regarded by these posters as an elite defenceman, just as Willy is regarded as a elite forward.
and how’s Gardiner doing these days with no die hard Leafs fans to blow his horn ?
