Some masks better than others
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So why does 3M say different? Sadly your self-guessed-fit of a N95 makes it no different than a poorly fit surgical mask.
Do you think all the scientific tests on permeability of different masks are all part of a conspiracy when they say proper surgical masks offer similar protection to a N95?
Its not self-guessed at all, its standard practice.
It seems you're still having trouble understanding all this, so here's a video that will help you understand it better.
Notice at 1:10 how she tells us to do a "seal test" to see if any breath air escapes??!
Standard practice (at least in the medical community is to get masks that fit properly for your face and THEN follow those instructions.
It's like claiming magnum size condoms are right for you because you are following the instructions on the box.
Do you actually know what a proper Fit Test for an N95 respirator actually entails? No, it's not just about the elastic strap!You're so confused you dont even know what you're arguing anymore
No Basketcase no please no...Don’t confuse him about condoms too, now we have to continuously explain to him why he is using magnum sized condoms wrongly and just like masks he will never understand why
No, please do tell us how to do a proper fit test for an N95 mask (aside from what the video below instructs people to do)
Let's try and I'll wait to see your spin. Below is a proper fit test tutorial since that is the discussion. I wear a simple 2 layered cloth mask which has served me well and I find comfortable but again, you seem to as usual spew misinformation, and this time it is regarding a proper fit test.
Everything Employers Need to Know About Respirator Fit Testing
As organizations across Canada continue to take steps to prevent the spread of COVID-19, many employers are developing new policies and using new personal protective equipment (PPE). Although respirators have been used in industrial and healthcare workplaces for years, they…
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How long does a fit test take?
There are a lot of factors that can make the process go faster or slower such as if each worker needs to have multiple masks tested.
In general, it takes about 10 minutes per person to conduct a quantitative fit test and 15 to 20 minutes for a qualitative fit test.
Everything Employers Need to Know About Respirator Fit Testing
POSTED ON: May 8, 2020WRITTEN BY: Jonathan OwensCATEGORIZED IN: Employer Responsibilities, Health and Safety
As organizations across Canada continue to take steps to prevent the spread of COVID-19, many employers are developing new policies and using new personal protective equipment (PPE). Although respirators have been used in industrial and healthcare workplaces for years, they are an increasingly common sight. Respirators such as the N95 or KN95 masks help fight the spread of infectious diseases by preventing infectious agents from being inhaled by the wearer.
But how do you know if your mask is working?
Simple. A fit test.
A fit test is the best way to determine if a tight-fitting respirator fits properly and is protecting workers from hazardous, airborne agents. And in Canada, it’s also required by law.
What is a fit test?
A “fit test” is used to determine if a respirator such as an N95 or KN95 mask is a good fit for the user’s face. It is performed on the person who is going to wear a respirator. Achieving a good fit is necessary for the respirator to work properly.
What is a good fit? A mask that forms a tight seal against the face of the wearer. Fit testers use specialized equipment to make this determination.
Fit testing is often required by occupational health and safety legislation as part of a sound overall respiratory protection program, which should also include a policy, procedures, and training.
Why is a fit test important?
A fit test is important because this is the best way to determine if a mask fits properly and is working by creating an adequate seal. A properly-fitted respirator helps protect workers from hazardous airborne particles that can lead to illness or disease.
In Ontario, respirators are required as part of organizations’ respiratory protection programs if “exposure to these hazards cannot be avoided or effectively controlled” through other methods of hazard control such as elimination or engineering controls.
A fit test is also required by Canadian and Ontario legislation. For example, Ontario’s Occupational Health and Safety Act (OHSA) states that, “An employer who provides a worker with a respirator shall provide training and instruction to the worker in the care and use of the respirator before the worker first uses the respirator.”
What are the risks of wearing a mask that doesn’t fit properly?
The most important thing to remember is that if a mask doesn’t fit properly and is not sealed, it is not doing its job. This means that if a worker has not been fit tested on the mask they are going to use, there is no assurance that it will keep them safe or prevent airborne particles from making them sick.
What kinds of masks need to be fit tested?
All tight-fitting respirators require a seal in order to work. If an employer requires a worker to wear the following types of respirators, a fit test is needed:
- Filtering facepieces such as N95 or KN95 masks
- Half-face respirators
- Full-face respirators
- SCBA’s
A tight-fitting respirator such as an N95 or KN95 mask needs to be sealed against the wearer’s face in order to properly work. Loose-fitting respirators usually cover the entire face or entire head and tend to work by pumping filtered air into the mask or are connected to a separate air supply like an oxygen tank. These respirators are usually hoods or helmets.
When do my workers need to get fit tests?
If a worker has never had a fit test before and if they are required to wear a respirator, they need one in accordance with the Canadian Standards Association (CSA) and Ontario’s Occupational Safety Act (OHSA). As well, workers need a fit test:
- At least every two years according to the CSA (Z94.9.1.6)
- Whenever changes to the user’s physical condition could affect the respirator fit such as due to weight gain or loss, surgery, or major dental work
- If they are using a new respirator make or model
Are workers legally required to get a fit test if they use respirators for work?
Yes, according to the Canadian Standards Association (Z94.9.1.6) every worker using a respirator must be fit tested if they are required to wear one.
Who needs to be fit tested?
Any worker who is required to wear a respirator make or model for the first time must be fit tested.
Ontario’s Occupational Health and Safety Act (OHSA) states that an employer is required to protect workers from hazardous or “biological or chemical agents.” Respirators are commonly used in health care facilities like hospitals as well as industrial workplaces where workers are exposed to potentially harmful airborne particles such as dusts, mists, or gases.
Workers need a new fit test if it has been two years since their last fit test. Workers also need to be retested “whenever changes to the user’s physical condition could affect the respirator” (CSA 94.7.1.3.d) such as:
- If they have lost or gained weight
- If their face shape has changed
Yes, regularly. Our team can conduct fit tests at your place of work. For more information or to book a fit test please fill out our Respirator Fit Testing form.
Will workers be provided with masks if OSG conducts a fit testing?
No, your employees must be tested on the masks they will be wearing.
What are the most common ways to test a mask’s fit?
You may have heard of “qualitative” fit testing and “quantitative” fit testing. Both test the effectiveness of a mask’s fit. A qualitative fit test is based on the wearer’s ability to taste a harmless solution at very low levels. A quantitative fit test uses a specialized machine to measure the particles inside and outside the mask.
What is a qualitative fit test?
A qualitative fit test uses a solution to test if a respirator fits. For the first step of the test, the person being tested will put a special hood over their head, likely similar in appearance to the one in the image below. Importantly, for this first step the person being tested does not wear their respirator.
Next, the tester will spray a sweet or bitter-tasting solution into the hood to determine your ability to detect the solution. This is the sensitivity solution.
If at first the person being tested does not taste the solution, the tester will continue to gradually spray more solution until it can be tasted. During this step the tester will record your sensitivity to the solution.
The second step can begin once the person being tested has removed their hood and can no longer taste the bitter solution. For the second step, the person being tested must don the respirator being fit tested.
Once the tester is confident there is a good seal, the person being tested will once again put on the hood. The tester will then spray another solution. This is the fit testing solution.
The tester will have the person being tested go through several different exercises such as normal breathing, talking, and moving their head side to side while the solution is being sprayed. This is to ensure that the mask will continue to fit in real-world use.
If the person being tested can taste the solution then the respirator is not a good fit. If they cannot test the solution, the mask is a good fit.
What is the solution used in qualitative fit testing?
The solution is a strongly-flavoured liquid that is perfectly harmless. The most commonly used solution is Bitrex—the most bitter substance on earth. Other times, the solution is saccharin—an artificial sweetener.
What is a quantitative fit test?
A quantitative fit test is conducted by an operator using an approved quantitative fit testing machine such as the PortaCount Respirator Fit Tester.
Just like in qualitative fit tests, the person being tested will be asked to go through different exercises such as talking, turning their head from side to side, and nodding to help make sure the mask will continue to fit over the course of an employee’s workday. These exercises are required by the Canadian Standards Association (CSA) (Z94.B.1.5.2).
Throughout the test, the machine takes measurements of the level of particles inside the mask compared to the ambient air outside of the mask. If there is high particle count inside the mask, then a good seal has not been achieved. If there is a very low particle count, the mask is a good fit.
How long does a fit test take?
There are a lot of factors that can make the process go faster or slower such as if each worker needs to have multiple masks tested.
In general, it takes about 10 minutes per person to conduct a quantitative fit test and 15 to 20 minutes for a qualitative fit test.
Is there anything workers need to do to prepare for a fit test?
There are a few things workers need to do before their test. In order to ensure accurate results for a qualitative fit test, anyone getting a fit test cannot eat, drink, chew gum, or smoke in the half-hour before a test. Drinking water is fine.
For a quantitative fit test, the person being fit tested cannot smoke in the half-hour before the test.
Employers need to ensure that any worker being fit tested is healthy enough to wear a respirator. This is done through a Medical Assessment. For example, OSG will not conduct a fit test unless an employer confirms that all employees to be fit tested have already been medically assessed as healthy enough to wear a respirator. If a worker has a condition that prevents the use of a respirator, the employer will need to find an alternative way to keep the worker safe.
As well, the Canadian Standards Association (CSA) (Z94.4) states that anyone using a respirator or being fit tested, either qualitatively or quantitatively, must be clean-shaven where the respirator seals against the face. This is because facial hair can prevent a proper seal. The CSA also suggests that workers need to shave their face seal area “within the last 24 hours prior to the fit test.”
LOL....nice copy/pasta on a topic you just quickly googled and knew nothing about 24hrs agoLet's try and I'll wait to see your spin. Below is a proper fit test tutorial since that is the discussion. I wear a simple 2 layered cloth mask which has served me well and I find comfortable but again, you seem to as usual spew misinformation, and this time it is regarding a proper fit test.
.Everything Employers Need to Know About Respirator Fit Testing
As organizations across Canada continue to take steps to prevent the spread of COVID-19, many employers are developing new policies and using new personal protective equipment (PPE). Although respirators have been used in industrial and healthcare workplaces for years, they…
How long does a fit test take?
There are a lot of factors that can make the process go faster or slower such as if each worker needs to have multiple masks tested.
In general, it takes about 10 minutes per person to conduct a quantitative fit test and 15 to 20 minutes for a qualitative fit test.
Everything Employers Need to Know About Respirator Fit Testing
POSTED ON: May 8, 2020WRITTEN BY: Jonathan OwensCATEGORIZED IN: Employer Responsibilities, Health and Safety
As organizations across Canada continue to take steps to prevent the spread of COVID-19, many employers are developing new policies and using new personal protective equipment (PPE). Although respirators have been used in industrial and healthcare workplaces for years, they are an increasingly common sight. Respirators such as the N95 or KN95 masks help fight the spread of infectious diseases by preventing infectious agents from being inhaled by the wearer.
But how do you know if your mask is working?
Simple. A fit test.
A fit test is the best way to determine if a tight-fitting respirator fits properly and is protecting workers from hazardous, airborne agents. And in Canada, it’s also required by law.
What is a fit test?
A “fit test” is used to determine if a respirator such as an N95 or KN95 mask is a good fit for the user’s face. It is performed on the person who is going to wear a respirator. Achieving a good fit is necessary for the respirator to work properly.
What is a good fit? A mask that forms a tight seal against the face of the wearer. Fit testers use specialized equipment to make this determination.
Fit testing is often required by occupational health and safety legislation as part of a sound overall respiratory protection program, which should also include a policy, procedures, and training.
Why is a fit test important?
A fit test is important because this is the best way to determine if a mask fits properly and is working by creating an adequate seal. A properly-fitted respirator helps protect workers from hazardous airborne particles that can lead to illness or disease.
In Ontario, respirators are required as part of organizations’ respiratory protection programs if “exposure to these hazards cannot be avoided or effectively controlled” through other methods of hazard control such as elimination or engineering controls.
A fit test is also required by Canadian and Ontario legislation. For example, Ontario’s Occupational Health and Safety Act (OHSA) states that, “An employer who provides a worker with a respirator shall provide training and instruction to the worker in the care and use of the respirator before the worker first uses the respirator.”
What are the risks of wearing a mask that doesn’t fit properly?
The most important thing to remember is that if a mask doesn’t fit properly and is not sealed, it is not doing its job. This means that if a worker has not been fit tested on the mask they are going to use, there is no assurance that it will keep them safe or prevent airborne particles from making them sick.
What kinds of masks need to be fit tested?
All tight-fitting respirators require a seal in order to work. If an employer requires a worker to wear the following types of respirators, a fit test is needed:
What is the difference between a tight-fitting respirator and a loose-fitting respirator?
- Filtering facepieces such as N95 or KN95 masks
- Half-face respirators
- Full-face respirators
- SCBA’s
A tight-fitting respirator such as an N95 or KN95 mask needs to be sealed against the wearer’s face in order to properly work. Loose-fitting respirators usually cover the entire face or entire head and tend to work by pumping filtered air into the mask or are connected to a separate air supply like an oxygen tank. These respirators are usually hoods or helmets.
When do my workers need to get fit tests?
If a worker has never had a fit test before and if they are required to wear a respirator, they need one in accordance with the Canadian Standards Association (CSA) and Ontario’s Occupational Safety Act (OHSA). As well, workers need a fit test:
As well, your organization may have additional policies that require more frequent fit testing. The CSA (Z94.7.1.3) recommends that workers be fit tested annually.
- At least every two years according to the CSA (Z94.9.1.6)
- Whenever changes to the user’s physical condition could affect the respirator fit such as due to weight gain or loss, surgery, or major dental work
- If they are using a new respirator make or model
Are workers legally required to get a fit test if they use respirators for work?
Yes, according to the Canadian Standards Association (Z94.9.1.6) every worker using a respirator must be fit tested if they are required to wear one.
Who needs to be fit tested?
Any worker who is required to wear a respirator make or model for the first time must be fit tested.
Ontario’s Occupational Health and Safety Act (OHSA) states that an employer is required to protect workers from hazardous or “biological or chemical agents.” Respirators are commonly used in health care facilities like hospitals as well as industrial workplaces where workers are exposed to potentially harmful airborne particles such as dusts, mists, or gases.
Workers need a new fit test if it has been two years since their last fit test. Workers also need to be retested “whenever changes to the user’s physical condition could affect the respirator” (CSA 94.7.1.3.d) such as:
Does OSG conduct respirator fit tests?
- If they have lost or gained weight
- If their face shape has changed
Yes, regularly. Our team can conduct fit tests at your place of work. For more information or to book a fit test please fill out our Respirator Fit Testing form.
Will workers be provided with masks if OSG conducts a fit testing?
No, your employees must be tested on the masks they will be wearing.
What are the most common ways to test a mask’s fit?
You may have heard of “qualitative” fit testing and “quantitative” fit testing. Both test the effectiveness of a mask’s fit. A qualitative fit test is based on the wearer’s ability to taste a harmless solution at very low levels. A quantitative fit test uses a specialized machine to measure the particles inside and outside the mask.
What is a qualitative fit test?
A qualitative fit test uses a solution to test if a respirator fits. For the first step of the test, the person being tested will put a special hood over their head, likely similar in appearance to the one in the image below. Importantly, for this first step the person being tested does not wear their respirator.
Next, the tester will spray a sweet or bitter-tasting solution into the hood to determine your ability to detect the solution. This is the sensitivity solution.
If at first the person being tested does not taste the solution, the tester will continue to gradually spray more solution until it can be tasted. During this step the tester will record your sensitivity to the solution.
The second step can begin once the person being tested has removed their hood and can no longer taste the bitter solution. For the second step, the person being tested must don the respirator being fit tested.
Once the tester is confident there is a good seal, the person being tested will once again put on the hood. The tester will then spray another solution. This is the fit testing solution.
The tester will have the person being tested go through several different exercises such as normal breathing, talking, and moving their head side to side while the solution is being sprayed. This is to ensure that the mask will continue to fit in real-world use.
If the person being tested can taste the solution then the respirator is not a good fit. If they cannot test the solution, the mask is a good fit.
What is the solution used in qualitative fit testing?
The solution is a strongly-flavoured liquid that is perfectly harmless. The most commonly used solution is Bitrex—the most bitter substance on earth. Other times, the solution is saccharin—an artificial sweetener.
What is a quantitative fit test?
A quantitative fit test is conducted by an operator using an approved quantitative fit testing machine such as the PortaCount Respirator Fit Tester.
Just like in qualitative fit tests, the person being tested will be asked to go through different exercises such as talking, turning their head from side to side, and nodding to help make sure the mask will continue to fit over the course of an employee’s workday. These exercises are required by the Canadian Standards Association (CSA) (Z94.B.1.5.2).
Throughout the test, the machine takes measurements of the level of particles inside the mask compared to the ambient air outside of the mask. If there is high particle count inside the mask, then a good seal has not been achieved. If there is a very low particle count, the mask is a good fit.
How long does a fit test take?
There are a lot of factors that can make the process go faster or slower such as if each worker needs to have multiple masks tested.
In general, it takes about 10 minutes per person to conduct a quantitative fit test and 15 to 20 minutes for a qualitative fit test.
Is there anything workers need to do to prepare for a fit test?
There are a few things workers need to do before their test. In order to ensure accurate results for a qualitative fit test, anyone getting a fit test cannot eat, drink, chew gum, or smoke in the half-hour before a test. Drinking water is fine.
For a quantitative fit test, the person being fit tested cannot smoke in the half-hour before the test.
Employers need to ensure that any worker being fit tested is healthy enough to wear a respirator. This is done through a Medical Assessment. For example, OSG will not conduct a fit test unless an employer confirms that all employees to be fit tested have already been medically assessed as healthy enough to wear a respirator. If a worker has a condition that prevents the use of a respirator, the employer will need to find an alternative way to keep the worker safe.
As well, the Canadian Standards Association (CSA) (Z94.4) states that anyone using a respirator or being fit tested, either qualitatively or quantitatively, must be clean-shaven where the respirator seals against the face. This is because facial hair can prevent a proper seal. The CSA also suggests that workers need to shave their face seal area “within the last 24 hours prior to the fit test.”
All the info from the link you posted has ZERO to do with what the average Canadian must do to properly fit an N95 mask.
All the info thats needed I have already posted in the video above, and on the instructions printed on the box (see pic below).
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By the way, are squeezer and basketcase now agreeing with me that tight-fitting N95 masks are needed, and that the current surgical masks most peopel are wearing are not tight-fitting enough, and therefore ueseless??
If you read my post properly you would have read that I wear a 2 ply cloth mask as a norm. I do have N95's but rarely use them and like yours, they are not properly fitted but unlike you, I knew this from the get-go.
Actually once again you are wrong. Yes, I posted a link to prove the statement but it is something I've been very familiar with since the first Sars outbreak. I guess dismissing the posted link is the spin and nonsense you love to spew as with most of the amigos.LOL....nice copy/pasta on a topic you just quickly googled and knew nothing about 24hrs ago
Ah, so you here arguing how to fit N95 masks properly, but you dont wear them yourself
You are the same as CM. A dog chasing his tail. I've never hid the fact I don't have an issue with wearing other types of face masks. You are the one that discounts all other face masks unless it's an N95 claiming its the end all and be all of masks. Yes, it is a great mask but only reaches its top efficiency when fitted properly, which yours or mine is NOT. The difference is I know it and live in reality and you either know it and just enjoy trolling or are oblivious to reality like the rest of the amigos.Ah, so you here arguing how to fit N95 masks properly, but you dont wear them yourself
Not true. If you fit the N95 properly according to the instructions I posted it will block 95% of all pathogens coming and going out.
Hence the name N95 mask.
The crap you posted isnt necessary to get 95% blockage. Instructions on the box are enough to achieve 95%
N95 masks is whats needed. Get with the program, amigo
?????
That's as bullshit a claim as your claim that your mask is properly fit. Just another case where you don't listen to medicine and science.
I've come to the conclusion that you are truly delusional but I will give you a little credit for least wearing a mask and for your signature selection but that's it!
Almost a full year into the pandemic in Canada poorr Phil is still trying to argue how masks don't work but he is like a YOYO up and down on his arguments, one day it's masks don't work at all and mask guidelines have no effect on reducing the rate of transmission the next day some masks work and others don't, it's highly dependant on which Phil you are conversing with that day..........The Canadian Phil with a Canadian passport or his other character the Dutch Phil with the Dutch passport
Neither one is correct about anything they post though LOL
Phil likes to troll and get a reaction. Deep down he knows but likes to play the amigo.Almost a full year into the pandemic in Canada poorr Phil is still trying to argue how masks don't work but he is like a YOYO up and down on his arguments, one day it's masks don't work at all and mask guidelines have no effect on reducing the rate of transmission the next day some masks work and others don't, it's highly dependant on which Phil you are conversing with that day..........The Canadian Phil with a Canadian passport or his other character the Dutch Phil with the Dutch passport
Neither one is correct about anything they post though LOL
Its actually very correct, you just dont want to admit the mask mandate has had ZERO effect in Ontario since it was implemented.Almost a full year into the pandemic in Canada poorr Phil is still trying to argue how masks don't work but he is like a YOYO up and down on his arguments, one day it's masks don't work at all and mask guidelines have no effect on reducing the rate of transmission the next day some masks work and others don't, it's highly dependant on which Phil you are conversing with that day..........The Canadian Phil with a Canadian passport or his other character the Dutch Phil with the Dutch passport
Neither one is correct about anything they post though LOL
Its okay to say you're wrong doggy the janitor.
Really, its okay
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