Will you take the COVID-19 vaccine?

Will you take the COVID-19 vaccine?

  • Yes, as soon as possible

    Votes: 220 57.7%
  • Yes, but I do not want to be among the first to take it.

    Votes: 68 17.8%
  • Maybe

    Votes: 17 4.5%
  • Not Sure

    Votes: 21 5.5%
  • Absolutely not

    Votes: 50 13.1%
  • I do not care if I do or don't

    Votes: 5 1.3%

  • Total voters
    381
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Phil C. McNasty

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And you don't know if you'll get hit by lightning tomorrow. Better stay inside
I'd say your math is a little off there, shack. 6,000 people annually are killed around the world by lightning strikes.
So thats about a 0.00008% of dying from lightning.
Also if you know a thunderstorm is about to come you can hide inside which further decreases your chances:


Now lets look at deaths from Pfizer vaccine.
According to Reuters there's been 2 already: https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-...ide-effects-idUSKBN28K2R6?edition-redirect=uk
I dont know how many people in the US have been vaccinated already, but lets say its around a million.
Source: https://www.cnbc.com/2020/12/23/cov...e-out-of-goal-of-20-million-for-december.html

So 2 deaths out of a million is 0.0002%. Still a very small chance, but not comparable to a lightning strike.

Add to that vaccines can often bring other health problems.
In 2010 one in 55,000 thousand people who received a Swine flu vaccine went on to develop permanent narcolepsy.
Source: https://www.theguardian.com/society/2013/sep/19/swine-flu-vaccine-narcolepsy-uk
Source: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4562845/

So there are risks with taking a brandnew vaccine.
Especially if Covid keeps mutating and we might have to take a new vaccine every year (like we do with the flu)
 
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shack

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But we dont know the long term side-effects yet
I'd say your math is a little off there, shack.
6,000 people annually are killed around the world by lightning strikes.
So thats about a 0.00008% of dying from lightning.
There you go moving the goalposts again. You were concerned about not knowing the long term side effects and now you bring up death stats.

Regardless, the concept is the same. What percent of all vaccines that have been given in the last 75 years have had long term deleterious effects?
 

Phil C. McNasty

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There you go moving the goalposts again. You were concerned about not knowing the long term side effects and now you bring up death stats
I'm concerned about long-term side-effects as well as death stats.
Why can't I be concerned about both??

I really dont know what you're trying to say here, you're the one who brought up lightning strikes.
The point I was trying to make is they're not statistically comparable

Regardless, the concept is the same. What percent of all vaccines that have been given in the last 75 years have had long term deleterious effects?
The older ones (like polio, measles.....etc) vaccines are virtually 100% safe.
But thats because they've been able to gauge the long-term effects over many years.
The new vaccines havent always been proven safe, and now with the Pfizer vaccine we've already had 2 deaths
 

shack

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I'm concerned about long-term side-effects as well as death stats.
Why can't I be concerned about both??

I really dont know what you're trying to say here, you're the one who brought up lightning strikes.
The point I was trying to make is they're not statistically comparable


The older ones (like polio, measles.....etc) vaccines are virtually 100% safe.
But thats because they've been able to gauge the long-term effects over many years.
The new vaccines havent always been proven safe, and now with the Pfizer vaccine we've already had 2 deaths
I'd say the chance of death from all the vaccines administered is statistically comparable to lightning.

Exactly HOW did the vaccine cause the deaths? What is inherent in the vaccine that one can predictably say is the cause of death? I'd like to see a 1:1 cause and effect where all other potential causes of death are eliminated. Allergies don't count. Allergies are a factor of the individual, not of the vaccine. What in the vaccine itself is dangerous for anyone to claim that 2 deaths were caused by the vaccine.

Vaccine technology has evolved immensely since polio and smallpox vaccines were developed. The knowledge gained from every other vaccine success and failure becomes an ever evolving body of information. Even though that there is no guarantee of safety, I have enough confidence in science to take the vaccine when it is made available to me. I have even more confidence that the risks of not taking the vaccine (covid) far, far outweighs the risk of trusting the science. Science has served humankind well, especially in terms of vaccines. Do you not feel that vaccines have been a huge benefit to us.

You are entitled to not take it even though it would be irrational not to.

BTW, I give you permission to be worried about deaths AND long term effects. ;)
 
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Good news... I'm starting to see friends on Facebook saying they've had the first shot. Still nowhere near the number who've reported testing positive. For some it was just like a bad flu, others have been sick for weeks with various lasting effects. One who's a nurse manager got it 6 months ago. She said her lungs still haven't fully recovered. A friend of a friend who was in his late 40s died as did a another in his mid 50s. Both were healthy with no underlying conditions.
 

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Israel: 4 Dead, Hundreds Infected With COVID-19, And Dozens Needed Medical Attention After Receiving The Pfizer MRNA Vaccine


With the vaccine not providing immediate immunity to the coronavirus, over two hundred Israeli citizens have been diagnosed with the disease days after getting the Pfizer/BioNTech jabs, local media reported.

The number of those who got Covid-19 despite being vaccinated was at around 240 people, according to data from Channel 13 News.


The Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine, which the Israeli health authorities rely on, doesn’t contain the coronavirus and can’t infect the recipient.

But time is needed for the genetic code in the drug to train the immune system to recognize and attack the disease.


The Jewish state is currently undertaking a massive vaccination campaign, which already saw over one million people or almost 12 percent of the population getting the Pfizer/BioNTech jab.

That’s the largest span per capita in the world, according to Oxford University. The first phase of the program aims to immunize medics and elderly people before expanding on to other categories.

Around one in a thousand people have reported mild side effects after the injection, including weakness, dizziness and fever as well as pain, swelling and redness in the spot where the shot was given. Only a few dozen of them required medical attention, the Health Ministry said.

Since vaccinations kicked off on December 20, at least four people in Israel died shortly after getting the jab, Kan public broadcaster reported.

However, the Health Ministry said that three fatalities were unrelated to the vaccine [of course not!], with the fourth case of an 88-year-old man with preexisting conditions currently being investigated.

Source: RT.com (excerpts)


The Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine, which the Israeli health authorities rely on, doesn’t contain the coronavirus and can’t infect the recipient.

But time is needed for the genetic code in the drug to train the immune system to recognize and attack the disease.


The Jewish state is currently undertaking a massive vaccination campaign, which already saw over one million people or almost 12 percent of the population getting the Pfizer/BioNTech jab.

That’s the largest span per capita in the world, according to Oxford University. The first phase of the program aims to immunize medics and elderly people before expanding on to other categories.

Around one in a thousand people have reported mild side effects after the injection, including weakness, dizziness and fever as well as pain, swelling and redness in the spot where the shot was given. Only a few dozen of them required medical attention, the Health Ministry said.

Since vaccinations kicked off on December 20, at least four people in Israel died shortly after getting the jab, Kan public broadcaster reported.

However, the Health Ministry said that three fatalities were unrelated to the vaccine [of course not!], with the fourth case of an 88-year-old man with preexisting conditions currently being investigated.

Source: RT.com (excerpts)


27-Year-Old Canadian Healthcare Worker Fainted And Suffered Multiple Seizures After Taking The Pfizer COVID-19 Vaccine


by Bobby Hristova, CBC News (excerpt)

A personal support worker feels the health-care system “failed” her after someone overlooked her allergies, she says, and let her get a COVID-19 vaccine.


The vaccine triggered a severe reaction which she says caused her to faint, suffer multiple seizures, require CPR and still feel the effects almost a week later.

Tilli says her case is a cautionary tale for those with allergies.


When she initially found out she was getting a vaccine, Tilli says, she was excited.

“I wasn’t scared, I was excited. I was like, ‘I’m going to be one of the first health-care workers in the city to get the vaccine,’” she said.

On Thursday at around 11:15 a.m., she was preparing to get vaccinated. She said she filled out consent forms and waited to be screened.

That’s when Tilli noticed something was off. She said the nurse looking over her file lacked confidence about what they were doing.

“I do have a severe allergy to bumblebees, and the nurse went over that with me and even questioned me about it, but … it seemed like she really didn’t know what she was doing,” Tilli said.

Tilli acknowledges she could have done more homework about the vaccination process ahead of time, and that this may well have been a simple mistake by someone who was also nervous to do the job.


But none of that changes what happened after she got vaccinated.

‘What if I left my two girls without a mother?’

She expected to only wait around for 15 minutes before going home, she says. Instead, Tilli began to feel light-headed. Then, a scratch in her throat.

She dismissed it as nervousness, she says, but the symptoms didn’t go away. Tilli says she approached a paramedic about what she was feeling.

Tilli says the paramedic checked her vitals and noticed her heart rate was high.

She received a Benadryl shot and it seemed to work for a few minutes. But the symptoms returned and worsened, she says.

“The supervisor from the paramedics was there and he just said ‘OK, let’s give her the EpiPen,’” Tilli said.

“Within a minute, I just said, ‘Something doesn’t feel right in my body,’ and I remember just passing out and leaning over to the right.”

Dave Thompson, superintendent of the local paramedic service, confirmed to CBC News that Tilli was taken to hospital in stable condition.

Tilli says when she woke up, she was told she suffered seizures and needed CPR for a brief period.

She doesn’t remember much during the reaction, but says one moment sticks out — accepting the fact that she could die.

“There was a moment where, I don’t want to say I gave up, but I was just like ‘It is what it is.’ … [Days later] when I was in bed the other night, I was thinking, ‘What if I left my two girls without a mother?’” Tilli said.

27-Year-Old Canadian Healthcare Worker Fainted and Suffered Multiple Seizures After Taking Pfizer's COVID-19 Vaccine (humansarefree.com)
 

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Love these clowns. Millions dying of the virus is no big deal but someone fainting? Oh my lord.
And this is what makes them so dangerous. How much damage is considered acceptable before people like these are held to account?
 

Phil C. McNasty

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You are entitled to not take it even though it would be irrational not to
I never said I wouldnt take it, I said I was gonna wait for a while.
Regular civilians probably wont get the vaccines(s) until the fall of 2021 anyways, so that gives me about 9 months or so.
Then I'll wait it out another 6 to 12 months, and then I'll most likely take the vaccine if side-effects are minimal.
 
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Phil C. McNasty

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Apparently I'm not the only one who wants to wait a bit:

80% of workers have refused the vaccine in some areas

Healthcare workers in nursing homes and hospitals have expressed concerns about the unknown side effects of the vaccine, as it was developed at record speed. Because of this, as much as 80% of workers have refused the vaccine in some areas, the Associated Press reported. (RELATED: Houston Doctor Says Half His Nurses Refuse To Take Vaccine For Political Reasons)

CEO of PruittHealth, Neil Pruitt, who oversees about 100 care homes, stated that the number of workers willing to take the vaccine is “alarmingly low.” Less than 3 in 10 workers who were offered the vaccine have accepted it, the AP reported
 

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If people decide not to take the vaccine then they are delaying herd immunity and slowing down progress...it’s selfish.

how is not taking a rushed experimental vaccine selfish? is not taking the flu vaccine selfish? if you are vaccinated why do you care about other's vaccine status?
 
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Fun For All

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how is not taking a rushed experimental vaccine selfish? is not taking the flu vaccine selfish? if you are vaccinated why do you care about other's vaccine status?
We will not be able to live with freedom, stadiums are open, live entertainment is back until we achieve herd immunity, if enough people don’t get the vaccine it holds everybody back.

The vaccine has been tested and approved, there is no reason to believe it’s not safe.
 

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We will not be able to live with freedom, stadiums are open, live entertainment is back until we achieve herd immunity, if enough people don’t get the vaccine it holds everybody back.

The vaccine has been tested and approved, there is no reason to believe it’s not safe.

we won't get back our freedoms until the people revolt. ever wonder are news about new coronavirus mutations suddenly appeared once the vaccines become available?
 

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Unfortunately, health officials are not aware of the garbage they spew on TERB like the way that the others of us who see their posts do.
Wouldn't it be great if you could inform on such individuals to proper authorities, like ministry of truth for instance, and immediate action would be taken. Like putting those individuals in permanent isolation and confiscating their property and having it given to you,

the good citizen?
 

shack

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I never said I wouldnt take it, I said I was gonna wait for a while.
Regular civilians probably wont get the vaccines(s) until the fall of 2021 anyways, so that gives me about 9 months or so.
Then I'll wait it out another 6 to 12 months, and then I'll most likely take the vaccine if side-effects are minimal.
So 15-21 months after the roll out of the vaccine. Personally, I'd prefer to get it at a time when the chance of acquiring the out of control virus is high. I'm pretty sure the effects (primary and side) of the virus would be much more dangerous to me than a vaccine developed by scientists who have been studying and engineering vaccines for close to a century.

Regardless, to each their own.
 

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Wouldn't it be great if you could inform on such individuals to proper authorities, like ministry of truth for instance, and immediate action would be taken. Like putting those individuals in permanent isolation and confiscating their property and having it given to you,

the good citizen?
You better shield your eyes so you don't get influenced by subversive ideas instead of marching in lockstep with your police state.
 
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