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Dutch Oven said:
Whatever law the courts ultimately decide to apply, it won't be the "law of averages". Law doesn't work that way. You can lose 100 different ways, but if you get what you want by winning once, you win. I suspect that's why so many are still so nervous.
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Given a Supreme Court that has repeatedly expressed opposition to voting rights and enfranchisement, we have reason to be worried.
Add in that Trump and others have argued repeatedly that the whole point is to get to the Supreme Court because they feel the fix is in despite the strength of their actual claims and that compounds it, especially with the GOP having now made it clear they have no objection to overturning an election if they think it would be successful.

Besides, would anyone expect even the best counsel and best arguments seeking to displace the results of an election to succeed in the lower courts? I wouldn't. SCOTUS will have the last word on these cases, even if to decide not to hear them.
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I would. The previous history has been that well argued cases in lower courts do result in recounts, changes to counting rules, and so on.
I have not heard of a lower court ever agreeing to "you have to throw out ballots counted for my opponent" though, true.
 
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Valcazar said:
Given a Supreme Court that has repeatedly expressed opposition to voting rights and enfranchisement, we have reason to be worried.
Add in that Trump and others have argued repeatedly that the whole point is to get to the Supreme Court because they feel the fix is in despite the strength of their actual claims and that compounds it, especially with the GOP having now made it clear they have no objection to overturning an election if they think it would be successful.
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The supreme court has been quite worrying, its a good thing that Rudy and his plucky band of investigators has been so incredibly inept. There is almost no chance any of those cases would ever get that far.
The Supreme Court’s “Breathtakingly Radical” New Approach to Election Law
The justices won’t end up deciding the 2020 presidential race, but they have set the stage for a massive rollback of voting rights.
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Opinion | The Supreme Court’s “Breathtakingly Radical” New Approach to Election Law

The justices won’t end up deciding the 2020 presidential race, but they have set the stage for a massive rollback of voting rights.
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Dutch Oven said:
Will you enjoy it if he leaves to the fanfare of his millions of supporters who pledge to continue the MAGA fight, whatever form that may take by that time?
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Over time they will crawl back into their cubby holes. After all Democracy has to prevail over the MAGA myth. The 80 million or so Americans have spoken and they were very concise in their decision that it will "NOT BE 4 more years"!!
 
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bver_hunter said:
Over time they will crawl back into their cubby holes. After all Democracy has to prevail over the MAGA myth. The 80 million or so Americans have spoken and they were very concise in their decision that it will "NOT BE 4 more years"!!
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You are missing what has really happened. The soon to be autocrat wannabe in chief has created a cult. I do not believe it will disappear when he leaves the WH. I think it will grow. It is a very dangerous harbinger of things to come I fear. And it is the far right component which is growing and which is most militant in its support. He really doesn't care who supports him as long as he gets the adulation he thrives on.
 
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toguy5252 said:
You are missing what has really happened. The soon to be autocrat wannabe in chief has created a cult. I do not believe it will disappear when he leaves the WH. I think it will grow. It is a very dangerous harbinger of things to come I fear. And it is the far right component which is growing and which is most militant in its support. He really doesn't care who supports him as long as he gets the adulation he thrives on.
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Yes, street demonstrations and violence by the far right will be a common occurrence for a few months after the swearing in of Biden, and then it will gradually start to die away. The internet of course will be rife with these far right conspiracy theories and lies. Cannot change that, as this idiot has created an environment and cult for it to exist. There will be odd terrorist attacks by the far right, as they are being groomed for it. But the majority of these cult followers will definitely start crawling back into their crevices once they realize that there was no voter fraud of any sorts. At the moment they think that the outcome is going to change. In reality, not an iota of hope whatsoever!!
 
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bver_hunter said:
Yes, street demonstrations and violence by the far right will be a common occurrence for a few months after the swearing in of Biden, and then it will gradually start to die away. The internet of course will be rife with these far right conspiracy theories and lies. Cannot change that, as this idiot has created an environment and cult for it to exist. There will be odd terrorist attacks by the far right, as they are being groomed for it. But the majority of these cult followers will definitely start crawling back into their crevices once they realize that there was no voter fraud of any sorts. At the moment they think that the outcome is going to change. In reality, not an iota of hope whatsoever!!
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I hope that you are right but I am fearful you are not.
 
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Dutch Oven said:
Update on Trump campaign Nevada suit. Arguments set for December 3:

newsbbt.com

Trump Campaign Nevada Lawsuit Challenging Election Results Given Go Ahead for Depositions, Hearing Set for December 3 - News BBT

HUGE: Trump Campaign Nevada Lawsuit Challenging Election Results Given Go Ahead for Depositions, Hearing Set for December 3 (*3*) Faucet right here so as to add The Western Journal to your property display.
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There will actually be depositions in this one.
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There were depositions in the others. I am guessing that they were read out at the judges' lunch room for comic relief.
 
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What's this? A Pennsylvania judge has blocked any further steps towards certification of the vote in that state:

news.bloomberglaw.com

Pennsylvania Slams Judge’s ‘Overreach’ in Certification Ruling

Pennsylvania Governor Tom Wolf and other state officials assailed a Pittsburgh judge for issuing what they described as an unprecedented order halting additional steps in the certification of President-elect Joe Biden’s election victory.
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Dutch Oven said:
What's this? A Pennsylvania judge has blocked any further steps towards certification of the vote in that state:

news.bloomberglaw.com

Pennsylvania Slams Judge’s ‘Overreach’ in Certification Ruling

Pennsylvania Governor Tom Wolf and other state officials assailed a Pittsburgh judge for issuing what they described as an unprecedented order halting additional steps in the certification of President-elect Joe Biden’s election victory.
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Rudy finally found a Judge who is as stupid as him?
 
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Dutch Oven said:
I promised there'd be more. Here's more. This time in Wisconsin:
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This one's great. "Our guy lost. We are sure that can't be. Please throw out everyone's votes and say we won."

Dutch Oven said:
The latest suit filed in Arizona:
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Interesting. The argument here seems to be that the ballot envelopes should be surveyed to see if signatures weren't matched well. If they weren't. all ballots should be thrown out - even though they couldn't match which ballots were wrong or how those people voted. Just throw Maricopa county out wholesale.

Dutch Oven said:
Update on Trump campaign Nevada suit. Arguments set for December 3:

There will actually be depositions in this one.
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Depositions of the electors, apparently, which seems weird since they don't seem relevant to the case. That may have been the reporter making a mistake or not clarifying something.
I again like the "we think the signature machine may not of work, there weren't enough observers, the machine wasn't identifying legal voters properly, therefore declare that we won," approach to the law.
At least here they are arguing "maybe it is a mess and throw the whole state out", which at least is more consistent, even if it increases Biden's chances of winning.
 
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Pennsylvania election fraud hearing before legislature is currently streaming live:

www.pscp.tv

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LIVE: Pennsylvania State Legislature Holds Public Hearing on 2020 Election
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Valcazar

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Dutch Oven said:
Pennsylvania election fraud hearing before legislature is currently streaming live:
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There's a witness who complained that the envelopes with the addresses and signatures were separated from the ballots. This means you can't tell how people voted, which is, of course, the point of a secret ballot.
One said the Constitution guarantees Republican government.

It's like 8chan went to court.
 
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