The bars, restaurants and gyms are the symbolic low hanging fruit that are easy targets for the government to go after in these murky and desperate times. However viritually none of these businesses if they were allowed reopen would be profitable during this pandemic anyway according to most business owners. Generally Canada follows America’s lead without respect to medical standards and protocols and it would appear that the brewing pandemic and political catastrophe south of the border will result in lockdowns at the state level again. Canada is teetering on a nationwide lockdown similar to what is happening in the UK. Without a strong central government structure, provinces are likely to do what Manitoba is doing. The psychological and financial devastation caused by the economic collapse over this coming winter into the spring will be unprecedented in Canada.
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Mississauga mayor says hospitals at capacity as COVID-19 situation becomes “dire” in Peel | INsauga
At a Nov. 10 press conference, Mississauga Mayor Bonnie Crombie said that the COVID-19 situation in the Region of Peel (Brampton, Mississauga and Caledon) is “dire,” adding that hospitals in the region are at or over capacity. Crombie, who appeared alongside Peel’s Medical Officer of Health...
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The deaths come after the spikes. If hospitalizations are going up, the deaths will follow.
Last time I was in a sit down restaurant was in September before the cases started to rise. I was looking over at the next table and a loud mouth was laughing and talking loud. I thought, if numbers go up it will be morons like this that spread their germs across the room. Then of course numbers started rising and I've either cooked or done take out, no more dine in for me indoors with maskless germ spreaders.
I disagree with this.
The restaurant managers and owners I spoke to during the brief re-opening period all said the same thing, "we're not making any money, but at lease we can pay the bills and stay in business" That means a lot to people when they have their life savings invested in a business.
Landlords = they still want their money.
The taxman (City of Toronto) = they still want their money too.
Every supplier, every entity = they still want their money as well.
I do not agree that this will inevitably lead to an economic collapse. I'm actually impressed the the economy, although taking a kick in the nuts, is still functioning. Contrast that to the economic melt down in 2007. Then, the resulting downturn was quick and severe. It would seem that the greater economy is a lot less resilient to a financial sector malaise than a malaise malaise. In addition, as previously stated, 10 people dying a day in Ontario is not reason enough to throw all of society in the dumpster over.
To put it in military terms, these are acceptable losses.
You can search on google the number of Covid deaths in Ontario or Canada. (It can be confusing, you need to differentiate between the nation and the province.)Mississauga mayor says hospitals at capacity as COVID-19 situation becomes “dire” in Peel | INsauga
At a Nov. 10 press conference, Mississauga Mayor Bonnie Crombie said that the COVID-19 situation in the Region of Peel (Brampton, Mississauga and Caledon) is “dire,” adding that hospitals in the region are at or over capacity. Crombie, who appeared alongside Peel’s Medical Officer of Health...
The deaths come after the spikes. If hospitalizations are going up, the deaths will follow.
Last time I was in a sit down restaurant was in September before the cases started to rise. I was looking over at the next table and a loud mouth was laughing and talking loud. I thought, if numbers go up it will be morons like this that spread their germs across the room. Then of course numbers started rising and I've either cooked or done take out, no more dine in for me indoors with maskless germ spreaders.
From what I can see, 12 people died in Ontario from Covid on November 9. Just straight line math, that's 360 people a month. (There is no information as to the particulars.) Contrast to that number to March and April when you had 300 new cases a day and you were seeing 40 to 60 deaths a day.
Something has changed. Either the data in the first wave was being exaggerated, or the disease has mutated and is not as deadly as it was. (But the government doesn't want to say that because they want people to remain on their best behaviour.)
In 2018 approximately 9,000 people die in November in Ontario from one reason or another. While it is unfortunate, it is not worth destroying society over. Especially if you don't know the particulars. If 80 percent of those who died were over 80 years old, well, it can be understood.
The problem of course is that people panic. It's real hard to control that. It's in the DNA to panic when it comes to disease.
You can google all you want and look at all the data you like but the first sign of trouble coming are hospitals reaching capacity. This is Peel, who has had rising numbers. What happens when the rest start to follow suit.
Manitoba is heading towards a full lockdown
You want to downplay it claiming less people are dying, sure, go ahead but remember, deaths lag spikes. I hope you're right and I'm wrong for the next batch of people going into the hospital.
The hospitality industry people that you spoke to might be relating their experience to summer operations not winter operations which is much more dire with the strong potential for much less customer base and different logistics. I didn't says that there will be a general economic collapse but there will be much more small business collapse and some big box store collapse. Retail landlords are begin to struggle depending on their locations as well. High risk asset classes that are not credit worthy are finished. There will be alot of mergers and acquisitions but this does not help the small mom and pop business especially the restaurants and bars. I predict that after the pandemic has peaked and starts to retreat, whenever that is, that the government will come forward with agressive new small business loans and programs to encourage a restart and restoration of the massive losses. The Trudeau government will bring in a record amount of immigrants into Canada shortly as well to help counter the negative domestic population growth in the post pandemic era.
With respect to the "10 people dying per day", yes they free up a hospital bed, but on the other hand many more are hospitalized with Covid-19 and are not dying but put a massive strain on the healthcare system, putting a huge strain on non-Covid emergency surgeries and on elective surgeries which is the big picture as the pandemic's effect has many moving parts.
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Or a normal person who is not afraid of the covid boogeyman
Seriously despite the #FakeNews has anyone even encountered ANYONE diagnosed much less died of this hoax?
Oddly enough none of those anti-maskers are getting it though
Hmm
(80% of Covid positive cases stated they "always" wear masks vs 16% of those who say they "never" wear masks)
Majority of cases are coming from families where entire group gets it
The chance of getting it from a bar / gym / store is negligible
Let me address the 500 pound gorilla in the room.
This spike we are seeing now is most likely stemming from the schools being open again. Not restaurants which were closed a month ago.
Kids go to school, they don't even feel this disease, they come home to their families and it's close quarters and then it spreads like wildfire from there.
You want to do something, close schools.
This spike we are seeing now is most likely stemming from the schools being open again. Not restaurants which were closed a month ago.
Kids go to school, they don't even feel this disease, they come home to their families and it's close quarters and then it spreads like wildfire from there.
You want to do something, close schools.
A complete lockdown is impossible unless it is enforced with fines or firearms. The people who are spreading covid will continue to do so, thumbing their noses at the health authorities. When will western governments realize that simply pleading for compliance doesn't work?
I agree but good luck in trying to collect a dime as the courts are back logged and closed for petty crimes. Even non violent criminals continue to be released from prison due to social distancing trends.
Masks in theory reduce transmission and do not offer protection from contraction of the virus unless they are respirators with eye protection. The CDC has now changed their stance. The anti-maskers must comply when they wish to receive goods and services in today’s environment anyway. If they want to have weekend anti-mask orgies then this is more than sad during a pandemic with so much uncertainty. Trump rallies, with anti-maskers at their core and their equivalent in other countries including Canada help with Darwinism.
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/c...rotect-the-wearer-and-the-economy-11605055182
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Do you have a solution? Triple the TTC budget? tell people who need public transit to stay home?
Both of those will majorly impact the economy and especially harm poorer people.
I agree those are significant potential transmission sites but most people would look at limiting less essential services first.
CM is just jealous of folks that are educated and land a good paying career. These educated folks do not buy into conspiracy theories but instead rely on science, facts and knowledge.
Why would she take a pay cut ? During the pandemic she is working even harder then pre-Covid-19. Politicians or those appointed by politicians such as Dr de Villa rarely if ever voluntarily reduce their salaries. I think more than a bit of Marxist-Leninist communism and personal grudge is showing here. She is also not an elected official so she doesn't have to suck and blow at the same time like Ford does.
Projection this is from somebody who supports lockdowns that are destroying jobs and businesses
