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Dutch Oven

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Fair enough. What makes Bobulinski credible to you?
Given his debts, his political leanings, the lack of credibility of Carlson, his misrepresentation of the facts to other news sources, what makes him credible in your eyes?
The presentation, including the cogency and restraint of his story, his intelligence, his Democratic political leanings (do you think the Bidens appointed a CEO that didn't support Democrats?), his attempts to avoid going to the press, his recording of Rob Walker, the e-mails and texts that back his story, and plenty of my own experience as to how the corporate world operates all have me leaning towards finding him to be credible.

Still waiting for the Biden camp to advance the counter argument.
 

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Yes, Joe ventures out for a couple of hours a day to give canned speeches and answer no questions that aren't scripted for him. Then they "put the lid" on him for the rest of the day. LOL!

Whether Biden thinks what he did is unethical isn't the end of it (although that opinion is telling about how Biden thinks politicians should behave). It's for the public to decide, and to make that decision in Biden's favour there needs to be transparency, not stonewalling.
First, this election is not Trump vs Biden it's Trump vs anybody but Trump...I'm not on the Biden team I'm on the anybody but Trump team.

If Joe Biden or Trump for that matter had to respond to every allegation made about them they would give them a glimmer of credibility...
 

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First, this election is not Trump vs Biden it's Trump vs anybody but Trump...I'm not on the Biden team I'm on the anybody but Trump team.

If Joe Biden or Trump for that matter had to respond to every allegation made about them they would give them a glimmer of credibility...
Too late for that argument. Bobulinski gives the allegation credibility. For anyone who cares (and I suspect there are enough, 5-10% of voters), blowing this off is the wrong move.
 

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Too late for that argument. Bobulinski gives the allegation credibility. For anyone who cares (and I suspect there are enough, 5-10% of voters), blowing this off is the wrong move.
But appearing on Tucker Carlson's show gives him none...I hardly think that 5-10% of voters will be swayed...
 

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Too late for that argument. Bobulinski gives the allegation credibility. For anyone who cares (and I suspect there are enough, 5-10% of voters), blowing this off is the wrong move.
So you think he was credible even though the WSJ and FN do not think so.

Same question i asked someone else who refused to answer.

Colonel Vindman implicated the chosen one. Do you accept his evidence? And Bolten and Kelly and McMaster and Mary Trump and Michael Cohen and Stormy and Karen McDougal and the 25 women accruing him of various kinds of assaults etc. etc etc. Do you accept their evidence and/or statements?
 

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But appearing on Tucker Carlson's show gives him none...I hardly think that 5-10% of voters will be swayed...
Believe it or not, not all voters are stupid. They know how partisan the press is. They understand that you have to go to the media outlet that is willing to put the story out there. Fox stands alone as willing to publish stories harmful to Biden.

As to the percentage of voters who could be swayed, if you or I knew the exact number, we'd be billionaire pollsters who wouldn't be wasting any time posting here on TERB! However, I stand by my estimate as reasonable and in line with late election undecided numbers in this and many previous elections.
 
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The presentation, including the cogency and restraint of his story, his intelligence, his Democratic political leanings (do you think the Bidens appointed a CEO that didn't support Democrats?), his attempts to avoid going to the press, his recording of Rob Walker, the e-mails and texts that back his story, and plenty of my own experience as to how the corporate world operates all have me leaning towards finding him to be credible.
That's a good list.
I think that's enough to make checking out his interview worth some time.
 
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Believe it or not, not all voters are stupid. They know how partisan the press is. They understand that you have to go to the media outlet that is willing to put the story out there. Fox stands alone as willing to publish stories harmful to Biden.

As to the percentage of voters who could be swayed, if you or I knew the exact number, we'd be billionaire pollsters who wouldn't be wasting any time posting here on TERB! However, I stand by my estimate as reasonable and in line with late election undecided numbers in this and many previous elections.
Not all but there are some stupid voters and they are usually glued to Tucker Carlson, Hannity, Laura Ingram, Lou Dobbs, Jesse Watters...do you really think they tell a fair story?
 

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Believe it or not, not all voters are stupid. They know how partisan the press is. They understand that you have to go to the media outlet that is willing to put the story out there. Fox stands alone as willing to publish stories harmful to Biden.

As to the percentage of voters who could be swayed, if you or I knew the exact number, we'd be billionaire pollsters who wouldn't be wasting any time posting here on TERB! However, I stand by my estimate as reasonable and in line with late election undecided numbers in this and many previous elections.
Not all voters are stupid. That said the trump base is the dumbest most gullible cohort on the planet and that is what he is counting on.

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So you think he was credible even though the WSJ and FN do not think so.

Same question i asked someone else who refused to answer.

Colonel Vindman implicated the chosen one. Do you accept his evidence? And Bolten and Kelly and McMaster and Mary Trump and Michael Cohen and Stormy and Karen McDougal and the 25 women accruing him of various kinds of assaults etc. etc etc. Do you accept their evidence and/or statements?
I could write a really long response to this, but I can't justify the time.

The short answers are:

1. Assuming that you are even correctly describing the findings of the WSJ and FN (which I don't think you are - doesn't the Tucker interview alone contradict your statement about Fox?), I trust my own assessments of credibility over those of any media outlet, for a long, long, list of reasons which I don't want to spend the time to elaborate on. If there is some reason to believe that Bobulinski is lying, I haven't heard it from the Biden camp yet.

2. I watched Vindman testify live. Now there was a unreliable witness. He couldn't resolve a number of contradictory aspects of his own evidence. He was unwilling to acknowledge the limitations of what he had actual personal knowledge of. He seemed primarily motivated by the mere notion that a President wouldn't be taking marching orders from him on foreign policy, instead of the other way around.

3. Bolton has really just offered his opinions, not facts, about Trump's leadership. However, who would want Bolton for President? Not even Republicans. He's just another guy who really hates when his advice is not taken.

4. Mary Trump. Dumb and bitter. Doesn't have the support of her own family.

5. Michael Cohen - criminal.

6. Stormy Daniels - dupe.

7. Sexual assault/harassment accusers - opportunists.

Not a single Trump detractor that you listed is anywhere close to being the same league as Bobulinski as far as credibility to speak on the topics he is speaking on.
 
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Not all but there are some stupid voters and they are usually glued to Tucker Carlson, Hannity, Laura Ingram, Lou Dobbs, Jesse Watters...do you really think they tell a fair story?
Because there are so many stupid people in the world, I'm sure at least some of them watch Fox, and I'm sure some of them watch the other networks. You're kidding yourself if you think that Fox somehow has cornered the market on stupid viewers. If they had, their market share would be even higher!

Do I think Carlson has distorted Bobulinski's story? No. Do I believe Bobulinski, based on the information available to me at this point in time? Yes, I do.
 

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Because there are so many stupid people in the world, I'm sure at least some of them watch Fox, and I'm sure some of them watch the other networks. You're kidding yourself if you think that Fox somehow has cornered the market on stupid viewers. If they had, their market share would be even higher!

Do I think Carlson has distorted Bobulinski's story? No. Do I believe Bobulinski, based on the information available to me at this point in time? Yes, I do.
Carlson hasn't distorted the story, Bobulinski has!

Those viewers on FOX believe it because they want too...do you believe John Bolton and Michael Cohen?
 

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I could write a really long response to this, but I can't justify the time.

The short answers are:

1. Assuming that you are even correctly describing the findings of the WSJ and FN (which I don't think you are - doesn't the Tucker interview alone contradict your statement about Fox?), I trust my own assessments of credibility over those of any media outlet, for a long, long, list of reasons which I don't want to spend the time to elaborate on. If there is some reason to believe that Bobulinski is lying, I haven't heard it from the Biden camp yet.

2. I watched Vindman testify live. Now there was a unreliable witness. He couldn't resolve a number of contradictory aspects of his own evidence. He was unwilling to acknowledge the limitations of what he had actual personal knowledge of. He seemed primarily motivated by the mere notion that a President wouldn't be taking marching orders from him on foreign policy, instead of the other way around.

3. Bolton has really just offered his opinions, not facts, about Trump's leadership. However, who would want Bolton for President? Not even Republicans. He's just another guy who really hates when his advice is not taken.

4. Mary Trump. Dumb and bitter. Doesn't have the support of her own family.

5. Michael Cohen - criminal.

6. Stormy Daniels - dupe.

7. Sexual assault/harassment accusers - opportunists.

Not a single Trump detractor that you listed is anywhere close to being the same league as Bobulinski as far as credibility to speak on the topics he is speaking on.
Confirmation bias
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Confirmation bias is the tendency to search for, interpret, favor, and recall information in a way that confirms or supports one's prior beliefs or values.[1] It is an important type of cognitive bias that has a significant effect on the proper functioning of society by distorting evidence-based decision-making. People display this bias when they gather or remember information selectively, or when they interpret it in a biased way. For example, a person may cherry-pick information that supports their belief, ignoring what is not supportive. People also tend to interpret ambiguous evidence as supporting their existing position. The effect is strongest for desired outcomes, for emotionally charged issues, and for deeply entrenched beliefs.

Confirmation bias is a broad construct covering a number of explanations. Biased search, interpretation and memory have been invoked to explain attitude polarization (when a disagreement becomes more extreme even though the different parties are exposed to the same evidence), belief perseverance (when beliefs persist after the evidence for them is shown to be false), the irrational primacy effect (a greater reliance on information encountered early in a series) and illusory correlation (when people falsely perceive an association between two events or situations).

A series of psychological experiments in the 1960s suggested that people are biased toward confirming their existing beliefs. Later work re-interpreted these results as a tendency to test ideas in a one-sided way, focusing on one possibility and ignoring alternatives ("myside bias", an alternative name for confirmation bias). In certain situations, this tendency can bias people's conclusions. Explanations for the observed biases include wishful thinking and the limited human capacity to process information. Another explanation is that people show confirmation bias because they are weighing up the costs of being wrong, rather than investigating in a neutral, scientific way. However, even scientists and intelligent people can be prone to confirmation bias.

Confirmation biases contribute to overconfidence in personal beliefs and can maintain or strengthen beliefs in the face of contrary evidence. Poor decisions due to these biases have been found in political, organizational, financial and scientific contexts. For example, confirmation bias produces systematic errors in scientific research based on inductive reasoning (the gradual accumulation of supportive evidence). Similarly, a police detective may identify a suspect early in an investigation, but then may only seek confirming rather than disconfirming evidence.
 
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Carlson hasn't distorted the story, Bobulinski has!

Those viewers on FOX believe it because they want too...do you believe John Bolton and Michael Cohen?
Have you even watched the Bobulinski interview yet? Sounds like you haven't.

I don't really care about the opinions of Bolton or Cohen, for reasons I set on in an answer to another poster.
 

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Confirmation bias
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Confirmation bias is the tendency to search for, interpret, favor, and recall information in a way that confirms or supports one's prior beliefs or values.[1] It is an important type of cognitive bias that has a significant effect on the proper functioning of society by distorting evidence-based decision-making. People display this bias when they gather or remember information selectively, or when they interpret it in a biased way. For example, a person may cherry-pick information that supports their belief, ignoring what is not supportive. People also tend to interpret ambiguous evidence as supporting their existing position. The effect is strongest for desired outcomes, for emotionally charged issues, and for deeply entrenched beliefs.

Confirmation bias is a broad construct covering a number of explanations. Biased search, interpretation and memory have been invoked to explain attitude polarization (when a disagreement becomes more extreme even though the different parties are exposed to the same evidence), belief perseverance (when beliefs persist after the evidence for them is shown to be false), the irrational primacy effect (a greater reliance on information encountered early in a series) and illusory correlation (when people falsely perceive an association between two events or situations).

A series of psychological experiments in the 1960s suggested that people are biased toward confirming their existing beliefs. Later work re-interpreted these results as a tendency to test ideas in a one-sided way, focusing on one possibility and ignoring alternatives ("myside bias", an alternative name for confirmation bias). In certain situations, this tendency can bias people's conclusions. Explanations for the observed biases include wishful thinking and the limited human capacity to process information. Another explanation is that people show confirmation bias because they are weighing up the costs of being wrong, rather than investigating in a neutral, scientific way. However, even scientists and intelligent people can be prone to confirmation bias.

Confirmation biases contribute to overconfidence in personal beliefs and can maintain or strengthen beliefs in the face of contrary evidence. Poor decisions due to these biases have been found in political, organizational, financial and scientific contexts. For example, confirmation bias produces systematic errors in scientific research based on inductive reasoning (the gradual accumulation of supportive evidence). Similarly, a police detective may identify a suspect early in an investigation, but then may only seek confirming rather than disconfirming evidence.
One of your dumbest posts yet. How do you know that I don't have the experience and skill set that justifies placing more faith in my own consideration of evidence than in the assessments of journalists, who really have no training in that task? Journalists are trained in communications, not critical thinking.

Besides, didn't you just admit to Kathleen that you haven't watched the Bobulinski interview? I can't imagine anyone who wouldn't tell you that you should at least do that before pronouncing on his credibility.
 

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Have you even watched the Bobulinski interview yet? Sounds like you haven't.

I don't really care about the opinions of Bolton or Cohen, for reasons I set on in an answer to another poster.
No, I can't take watching Tucker Carlson, although I have read about Bobulinski.

Bolton and Cohen have brought up some serious issues that haven't been properly addressed.
 

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One of your dumbest posts yet. How do you know that I don't have the experience and skill set that justifies placing more faith in my own consideration of evidence than in the assessments of journalists, who really have no training in that task? Journalists are trained in communications, not critical thinking.
Great reply, bud.
In which you confirm my assessment of confirmation bias by stating that you are more expert than all journalists.
Thanks for playing.
 
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Great reply, bud.
In which you confirm my assessment of confirmation bias by stating that you are more expert than all journalists.
Thanks for playing.
Let's follow that train of thinking for a minute. Do journalists have the last word on questions of truth in our society? If so, how does the public resolve disagreements between journalists? Are journalists sometimes right in their analysis? Who decides when they are?

Frank, you would have made an excellent minor official in the Ministry of Truth. Thank you for inspiring George Orwell's greatest work! Since no one reads 1984 anymore, thankfully we have you to remind us of the perils of GoodThink.
 

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I could write a really long response to this, but I can't justify the time.

The short answers are:

1. Assuming that you are even correctly describing the findings of the WSJ and FN (which I don't think you are - doesn't the Tucker interview alone contradict your statement about Fox?), I trust my own assessments of credibility over those of any media outlet, for a long, long, list of reasons which I don't want to spend the time to elaborate on. If there is some reason to believe that Bobulinski is lying, I haven't heard it from the Biden camp yet.

2. I watched Vindman testify live. Now there was a unreliable witness. He couldn't resolve a number of contradictory aspects of his own evidence. He was unwilling to acknowledge the limitations of what he had actual personal knowledge of. He seemed primarily motivated by the mere notion that a President wouldn't be taking marching orders from him on foreign policy, instead of the other way around.

3. Bolton has really just offered his opinions, not facts, about Trump's leadership. However, who would want Bolton for President? Not even Republicans. He's just another guy who really hates when his advice is not taken.

4. Mary Trump. Dumb and bitter. Doesn't have the support of her own family.

5. Michael Cohen - criminal.

6. Stormy Daniels - dupe.

7. Sexual assault/harassment accusers - opportunists.

Not a single Trump detractor that you listed is anywhere close to being the same league as Bobulinski as far as credibility to speak on the topics he is speaking on.
How unfair was that statement?
 

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Let's follow that train of thinking for a minute. Do journalists have the last word on questions of truth in our society? If so, how does the public resolve disagreements between journalists? Are journalists sometimes right in their analysis? Who decides when they are?

Frank, you would have made an excellent minor official in the Ministry of Truth. Thank you for inspiring George Orwell's greatest work! Since no one reads 1984 anymore, thankfully we have you to remind us of the perils of GoodThink.
You are acting as if all journalists are one block and all have the same views, expertise and credibility.
That alone is symptomatic of your confirmation bias and is very lazy thinking.

And you are still standing by your claim that your personal views are more valid then those you rely on for the information you base them on.
 
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