How is this for social distancing, you guys?? 
Like wearing a condom, wearing a mask is just common sense
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It is true that just "some" people aren't hearing the "common sense" in their big head when they are only listening to their little head.
"The online survey by Leger and the Association for Canadian Studies says 83 per cent of respondents feel governments should order people to wear a mask in all indoor public spaces."
Majority of Canadians say wearing a mask during coronavirus pandemic is a civic duty: poll - National | Globalnews.ca
A new survey suggests the recent rise in new COVID-19 cases across Canada comes with a similar increase in support for the mandatory wearing of masks in public places.
globalnews.ca
"Coronavirus Cases Went Down 75 Percent in Arizona After They Required Masks and Closed Bars":
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Coronavirus Cases Went Down 75 Percent in Arizona After They Required Masks and Closed Bars
Local governments enacted mask mandates after cases spiked 151 percent in June
Coronavirus went up 300% in Ontario after masks became mandatory"Coronavirus Cases Went Down 75 Percent in Arizona After They Required Masks and Closed Bars":
Coronavirus Cases Went Down 75 Percent in Arizona After They Required Masks and Closed Bars
Local governments enacted mask mandates after cases spiked 151 percent in June
Dataset - Ontario Data Catalogue
Coronavirus went up 300% in Ontario after masks became mandatory
Dataset - Ontario Data Catalogue
covid-19.ontario.ca
1) Logical fallacy. The conclusion does not necessarily follow from the premise.Here's how well masks are working in Portugal
https://www.theportugalnews.com/news/over-90-of-portuguese-always-wear-a-mask/55659
Portugal reports more than 1,000 new coronavirus infections in 24 hours for first time in 6 months
Portugal reported more than 1,000 new coronavirus infections in 24 hours for the first time in nearly six months, the country’s health authority said Thursday. According to the Portuguese new…www.nydailynews.com
2) The rise in infections could be due to many other variables, such as people returning to school, more acting irresponsibly, more staying in higher risk environments such as indoors as the weather gets colder, etc,. In fact the rise could be even worse without masks being used.
And probably would be, because the scientific evidence says masks work. That's why in almost every nation on earth they are either mandated or recommended as per health experts instructions
3) Then why is it that Asian nations that use masks fared much better than Western nations that didn't use masks. Based on that info & your simplistic way of reaching conclusions, you should conclude that masks are working. But that would contradict your conclusion that masks aren't working. Can both be true, masks are working and masks aren't working?
4) The Ontario chart re infections shows that the daily numbers continually go up and then go down. So do you conclude that masks work on the days that infections went down. https://www.google.com/search?q=ont...rome..69i57.6877j0j1&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
Could be?? Probably would be?? Thats not science, thats guessing.
I could very well ask you why is it France, the UK and Italy are seeing a rise in new cases, even though masks are mandatory??
And dont give me this bullshit that people in Europe arent following the rules, because you havent been to these countries to check for yourself, so you would have no way of knowing.
AFA Japan and Korea doing better than us, I dont know why that is. The virus has mutated 30 times, maybe they have a weaker strain??
Or maybe they social distance better than we do. I simply dont know.
All I'm saying is masks have not worked in Ontario. The evidence of rising new infections proves that
Thats a dumb question. Daily new infections are always naturally going to go up and down.
Did you really think we would have an even 600 infections every day??
A 99.9999999999999999999999999999% probability isn't what i'd call "guessing".
Though in the silly fantasy world of some people's minds anything's possible ;
2) The rise in infections could be due to many other variables, such as people returning to school, more acting irresponsibly, more staying in higher risk environments such as indoors as the weather gets colder, etc,. In fact the rise could be even worse without masks being used.
And probably would be, because the scientific evidence says masks work. That's why in almost every nation on earth they are either mandated or recommended as per health experts instructions
See above.
You have no way of knowing. So you shouldn't use your argument, which is a logical fallacy, against masks being effective. It's dumb.
1) Logical fallacy. The conclusion does not necessarily follow from the premise.
2) The rise in infections could be due to many other variables, such as people returning to school, more acting irresponsibly, more staying in higher risk environments such as indoors as the weather gets colder, etc,. In fact the rise could be even worse without masks being used.
And probably would be, because the scientific evidence says masks work. That's why in almost every nation on earth they are either mandated or recommended as per health experts instructions
3) Then why is it that Asian nations that use masks fared much better than Western nations that didn't use masks. Based on that info & your simplistic way of reaching conclusions, you should conclude that masks are working. But that would contradict your conclusion that masks aren't working. Can both be true, masks are working and masks aren't working?
4) The Ontario chart re infections shows that the daily numbers continually go up and then go down. So do you conclude that masks work on the days that infections went down. https://www.google.com/search?q=ont...rome..69i57.6877j0j1&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
Saying something is dumb doesn't prove it is dumb & is a dumb thing to say without any evidence, reason or logic to support it. None of which you provided. So dumb.
Did you actually expect there would not be a rise in infections with people returning to school, more returning to work, more staying in higher risk environments such as indoors as the weather gets colder, etc,.? Masks were being worn before all of that. So what changed to bring about more infections? It isn't rocket science.
When did Ontario daily infections start to spike? Early September:
You're just pulling shit out of you ass now, lenny. A 99.9999999999999999999999999999% probability???A 99.9999999999999999999999999999% probability isn't what i'd call "guessing".
Though in the silly fantasy world of some people's minds anything's possible ;
2) The rise in infections could be due to many other variables, such as people returning to school, more acting irresponsibly, more staying in higher risk environments such as indoors as the weather gets colder, etc,. In fact the rise could be even worse without masks being used.
And probably would be, because the scientific evidence says masks work. That's why in almost every nation on earth they are either mandated or recommended as per health experts instructions
See above.
You have no way of knowing. So you shouldn't use your argument, which is a logical fallacy, against masks being effective. It's dumb.
1) Logical fallacy. The conclusion does not necessarily follow from the premise.
2) The rise in infections could be due to many other variables, such as people returning to school, more acting irresponsibly, more staying in higher risk environments such as indoors as the weather gets colder, etc,. In fact the rise could be even worse without masks being used.
And probably would be, because the scientific evidence says masks work. That's why in almost every nation on earth they are either mandated or recommended as per health experts instructions
3) Then why is it that Asian nations that use masks fared much better than Western nations that didn't use masks. Based on that info & your simplistic way of reaching conclusions, you should conclude that masks are working. But that would contradict your conclusion that masks aren't working. Can both be true, masks are working and masks aren't working?
4) The Ontario chart re infections shows that the daily numbers continually go up and then go down. So do you conclude that masks work on the days that infections went down. https://www.google.com/search?q=ont...rome..69i57.6877j0j1&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
Saying something is dumb doesn't prove it is dumb & is a dumb thing to say without any evidence, reason or logic to support it. None of which you provided. So dumb.
Did you actually expect there would not be a rise in infections with people returning to school, more returning to work, more staying in higher risk environments such as indoors as the weather gets colder, etc,.? Masks were being worn before all of that. So what changed to bring about more infections? It isn't rocket science.
When did Ontario daily infections start to spike? Early September:
Where did you come up with that number?? Oh wait, you pulled it out of your ass.
LOL... dont make me laugh.
Actually, keep posting and do make me laugh. Its fun
Obviously that number was used just to illustrate my point. Namely that "probability" need not equate to "guessing" or to being unscientific as you had implied.You're just pulling shit out of you ass now, lenny. A 99.9999999999999999999999999999% probability???
Where did you come up with that number?? Oh wait, you pulled it out of your ass.
LOL... dont make me laugh.
Actually, keep posting and do make me laugh. Its fun
Wrong. And irrelevant. Back to C-19 preschool with you to learn its ABC's.XYZ said:
"The claim: If masks cannot keep out drywall particles, they cannot keep out coronavirus, which is smaller"
"...Fact check: Masks can keep out COVID-19 particles even though smaller than dry wall dust"
The droplets that carry the viral particles are also larger in size than the virus itself,...
“Many people argue that cloth masks can’t be effective because they can’t filter out viral particles, which are extremely tiny,” she said. “Most of these particles leave the mouth and nose in much larger droplets that become smaller through evaporation as they move away from the body. Trapping droplets with the mask means not nearly as many viral particles escape. So, when all parties in a gathering are wearing well-constructed, well-fitting masks, it provides an extra layer of safety for everyone.”
The COVID-19 particle is indeed around 0.1 microns in size, but it is always bonded to something larger.
“There is never a naked virus floating in the air or released by people,” said Linsey Marr, a professor of civil and environmental engineering at Virginia Tech who specializes in airborne transmission of viruses.
“Breathing and talking generate particles around 1 micron in size, which will be collected by N95 respirator filters with very high efficiency,” said Lisa Brosseau, a retired professor of environmental and occupational health sciences who spent her career researching respiratory protection.
Fact check: Masks can keep out COVID-19 particles even though smaller than dry wall dust
Masks may not completely stop drywall dust, but that doesn't mean they aren't effective against COVID-19.
www.usatoday.com
"Fact check: No, N95 filters are not too large to stop COVID-19 particles.
The COVID-19 virus alone is smaller than the N95 filter size. But the virus travels attached to larger particles consistently caught by the filter, and regardless of size, the erratic motion of particles – and the electrostatic attraction generated by the mask – means viruses get consistently caught, too.
www.usatoday.com
The COVID-19 virus alone is smaller than the N95 filter size. But the virus travels attached to larger particles consistently caught by the filter, and regardless of size, the erratic motion of particles – and the electrostatic attraction generated by the mask – means viruses get consistently caught, too.
Fact check: What's true and what's false about face masks?
Looking to cut through the mixed messages about face masks and COVID-19? Here's a roundup of fact-checks on the topic.
www.usatoday.com
Using masks is backed by science & common sense, just like using a condom.
"Fact check: No, N95 filters are not too large to stop COVID-19 particles":
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...too-large-stop-covid-19-particles/5343537002/
https://apnews.com/article/afs:Content:9400514524
"In a review9 of observational studies, an international research team estimates that surgical and comparable cloth masks are 67% effective in protecting the wearer."
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-02801-8
Rolltide clueless re masks:
http://www.therxforum.com/showthread...1#post13252462
The size of the virus is irrelevant because it doesn't float around on its own but in droplets which get blocked by masks, e.g. when someone is spitting out visible liquid when they are talking to you, or sneezing or coughing. This is just common sense & is backed by scientific evidence.
"Fact check: No, N95 filters are not too large to stop COVID-19 particles":
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...too-large-stop-covid-19-particles/5343537002/
https://apnews.com/article/afs:Content:9400514524
"In a review9 of observational studies, an international research team estimates that surgical and comparable cloth masks are 67% effective in protecting the wearer."
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-02801-8
Rolltide clueless re masks:
http://www.therxforum.com/showthread...1#post13252462
LOL.....I see masks are working great https://www.cp24.com/news/ontario-t...or-the-first-time-seven-more-deaths-1.5160078
Whas ironic is new infections went up within a week of Ontario making masks mandatory.
And its been climbing ever since
Whas ironic is new infections went up within a week of Ontario making masks mandatory.
And its been climbing ever since
What percentage of people are wearing masks routinely?LOL.....I see masks are working great https://www.cp24.com/news/ontario-t...or-the-first-time-seven-more-deaths-1.5160078
Whas ironic is new infections went up within a week of Ontario making masks mandatory.
And its been climbing ever since
Judging by all the stores and shopping malls I been to, its close to 99%
Some stores wont even serve you if you have no mask.
I've even seen people wearing mask while driving their cars or walking outside on streets
Of course masks help. Just like condoms help. It's common sense.
Masks have been worn by many hospital staff for many years.
"Face Masks Against COVID-19: An Evidence Review":
https://files.fast.ai/papers/masks_lit_review.pdf
"One 2013 study looked at how masks could help people with the seasonal flu limit spreading it when they exhale droplets containing the virus. Overall, researchers found masks led to a more than threefold reduction in how much virus people sprayed into the air."
https://www.healthline.com/health/cold-flu/mask#research
"Efficacy of face mask in preventing respiratory virus transmission: A systematic review and meta-analysis":
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7253999/
Masks have been worn by many hospital staff for many years.
"Face Masks Against COVID-19: An Evidence Review":
https://files.fast.ai/papers/masks_lit_review.pdf
"One 2013 study looked at how masks could help people with the seasonal flu limit spreading it when they exhale droplets containing the virus. Overall, researchers found masks led to a more than threefold reduction in how much virus people sprayed into the air."
https://www.healthline.com/health/cold-flu/mask#research
"Efficacy of face mask in preventing respiratory virus transmission: A systematic review and meta-analysis":
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7253999/
"The faster a country required masks, the fewer coronavirus deaths it had: study":
https://globalnews.ca/news/7075024/mask-wearing-fewer-coronavirus-deaths/
https://globalnews.ca/news/7075024/mask-wearing-fewer-coronavirus-deaths/
