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Is it usual to be disappointed in your children?

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Thanks everyone, some great advice and perspectives here.

Instead of nurturing, supporting and respecting their choices and decisions, we criticize and force them into what we think is best for them.
Just want to comment on this. If we let them do what they want, they will literally spend 10+ hours a day on youtube/phone. They won't even eat or sleep. This just can't be good. For one thing they both have rapidly worsening eyesight, while I've never needed glasses. I'm not an expert but what possible benefit can hours of youtube have? If they start making money from it that's cool, but that's not happening.

This is a modern problem our parents didn't have. Passive electronic entertainment is like a drug for kids.

@Mr.lover you're absolutely right, we've killed their self esteem. I wish I could give them positivity and encouragement and stop criticizing. But the choices they make are objectively terrible and I'd be dishonest to say anything good about them. We have given them many opportunities to be good at other things - various sports, arts, tutoring, programming lessons. But nothing ever clicked and usually they quit everything.
 

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It's always the parents....

For example, if all they do is play video games and watch youtube, why do they have access to either? They can't be dragged out for exercise? They don't read books? Why are they given a choice?

Start being a parent.
When all their friends have phones and computers it's not so easy. You can't force someone to read a book - well you can, believe me I've done it, but it doesn't lead a love of reading.
 

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All my kids are doing better than me. They are better educated, they have better jobs, they have million-dollar homes and stable families.
So no, I'm not disappointed in my kids. I've done my job of raising them rather well.
 
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That's the way it should be. You can die happy. But don't over estimate your role, a lot of the causes are out of a parent's control.
 

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Thanks everyone, some great advice and perspectives here.



Just want to comment on this. If we let them do what they want, they will literally spend 10+ hours a day on youtube/phone. They won't even eat or sleep. This just can't be good. For one thing they both have rapidly worsening eyesight, while I've never needed glasses. I'm not an expert but what possible benefit can hours of youtube have? If they start making money from it that's cool, but that's not happening.

This is a modern problem our parents didn't have. Passive electronic entertainment is like a drug for kids.

@Mr.lover you're absolutely right, we've killed their self esteem. I wish I could give them positivity and encouragement and stop criticizing. But the choices they make are objectively terrible and I'd be dishonest to say anything good about them. We have given them many opportunities to be good at other things - various sports, arts, tutoring, programming lessons. But nothing ever clicked and usually they quit everything.
@mmouse my point was if this all started out properly from toddler age, that is where the mind set of your child started. It was at that age your parenting skills help develop their current mental and emotional state. Of course each child have their own personalities but the influence came from the parents. Those early years created the child today.
I look back and wished I was not such a hovering parent, let them do things on their own, discover thing instead of trying to protect them from everything. With parents who did everything for you, the child became "lazy" and less interested in things. Now as an independent child they will fail and make mistakes and suddenly they see themselves as a failure where things use to be perfectly fine before because we always helped them, now we criticize them for failing.
The reason they watch youtube and play games all day is because this is their way of getting away from thei world, they don't want to engage with the world outside, they don't want to engage with their family, they don't want to deal with their problems.
 

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I don’t have kids but I imagine overbearing parenting drives curiosity and passion out of a kid.
Rest assured they will grow up, get an average job and become average people.
 

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As my kids move into early teens, I find myself feeling more and more negative about them. Despite our efforts at every stage, they have absolutely no interests other than video games, youtube and other passive, lowest common denominator entertainment. They don't like sports. They can't be dragged outside for exercise. They won't read books. They don't listen to music. They have no hobbies at all. They show no desire to be independent, in fact they are totally useless at planning ahead, remembering what they need to do, or even attempting to be organized. If we give them something nice they will lose it.

I realise I as a parent have a lot to do with this but I don't know why. For example music. All my life I've loved music. I'm self-taught on a few instruments but never had lessons or the discipline to be more than amateur level. Since my kids were born I've exposed them continuously to the music I love - classical, rock, funk, jazz, metal, punk, rap etc. I've had instruments lying around they could play with. My wife and I have spent a small fortune on formal lessons, and my oldest is even at grade 8 now. But they don't enjoy it. We must force them to practice, then I grind my teeth because it sounds so bad, because they have no musical ear. They don't have stereos in their rooms. I got them family Spotify accounts but they don't use them. How can you play music if you don't listen to it?

Anyway if they don't have any musical ability that's fine and we don't want them to feel shit about it. We often ask them if they want to stop and they choose to continue. Because even they can see that they gave absolutely nothing else to feel proud about. Academically they are lazy and not especially bright. They are not inquisitive. They are not ambitious. They have a bleak career outlook as far as I can see, although mine isn't exactly a shining example.

Does anyone else have a comparative experience? Is this just a symptom of over active parenting and a lack of role models? What can I do? Disliking your own kids is obviously not healthy. But I'd prefer to help them than sooth my conscience.
To me it sounds like you are disappointed they aren't little versions of you.
So what if they don't like music. They probably stick with classes so they don't get an earful from you.
 

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To me it sounds like you are disappointed they aren't little versions of you.
So what if they don't like music. They probably stick with classes so they don't get an earful from you.
My daughter is nothing like me...thank God!
 

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Interesting topic, I probably wasn't much different than them only i was good at sports but I hated my dad. I was a good hockey player, good enough to move away to play junior but one of the 99+ per cent to go nowhere. Once you turn 20 there are no more leagues to play in but you still have the 'I'm all that' attitude. Late 20s til I figured out I was on my was to loserville with a one way ticket.

If they seem unhappy that could be on you, although zero interest in nothing is concerning. I have a nephew who is 2 years out of high school and working at Starbucks. I would say that's my brothers fault as he has little motivation.

I was in and out of my parents house til late 20s, I should have been out much earlier and they should have booted me out. Hope a switch turns on for them at some point.
 

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I know a couple of 25 year old guys who are still living with their parents. Snowflakes. Another who lives in the same neighborhood 50 and still living with his mom. He finally got a girlfriend who doesn't see anything wrong with his situation.
Robert Bly talked about the importance of separating boys from their mothers in ancient tribal culture. My mom kicked me out when I was the last to leave at age 19. I was the youngest. Total lost loser. She said she didn't want to see me as a 30 year old living with his mom. So she did me a favor. To which I am grateful. At least I don't have that to live with. Never grew up really, but turned out better than I might have expected by being kicked out of the nest.
 

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kids will be kids and if you pull the right strings, they may grow up to be just like trump

 

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Don't be so critical of the guy who is 50 and living with his mother. She is probably 70+ and may need extra care due to health reasons.
 

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It is great to have a stud as a son. It is not so
great to have a teen daughter slut sleeping around
with different boys.
And that slut may very well become a doctor, a CEO, a nurse, anything... We need to stop being judgemental. Girls, like boys, are perfectly aloud to have their slutty years ;)

Cheers,
 

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And that slut may very well become a doctor, a CEO, a nurse, anything... We need to stop being judgemental. Girls, like boys, are perfectly aloud to have their slutty years ;)

Cheers,
It is unfair to women as they like to shag as much as guys but get a unfair reputation if they do.
 

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As my kids move into early teens, I find myself feeling more and more negative about them. Despite our efforts at every stage, they have absolutely no interests other than video games, youtube and other passive, lowest common denominator entertainment. They don't like sports. They can't be dragged outside for exercise. They won't read books. They don't listen to music. They have no hobbies at all. They show no desire to be independent, in fact they are totally useless at planning ahead, remembering what they need to do, or even attempting to be organized. If we give them something nice they will lose it.

I realise I as a parent have a lot to do with this but I don't know why. For example music. All my life I've loved music. I'm self-taught on a few instruments but never had lessons or the discipline to be more than amateur level. Since my kids were born I've exposed them continuously to the music I love - classical, rock, funk, jazz, metal, punk, rap etc. I've had instruments lying around they could play with. My wife and I have spent a small fortune on formal lessons, and my oldest is even at grade 8 now. But they don't enjoy it. We must force them to practice, then I grind my teeth because it sounds so bad, because they have no musical ear. They don't have stereos in their rooms. I got them family Spotify accounts but they don't use them. How can you play music if you don't listen to it?

Anyway if they don't have any musical ability that's fine and we don't want them to feel shit about it. We often ask them if they want to stop and they choose to continue. Because even they can see that they gave absolutely nothing else to feel proud about. Academically they are lazy and not especially bright. They are not inquisitive. They are not ambitious. They have a bleak career outlook as far as I can see, although mine isn't exactly a shining example.

Does anyone else have a comparative experience? Is this just a symptom of over active parenting and a lack of role models? What can I do? Disliking your own kids is obviously not healthy. But I'd prefer to help them than sooth my conscience.

Well, I'm not a parent nor do I have any nieces or nephews but I can tell you from my childhood experiences while growing up.

First thing first, kudos for you for wanting to be a good father , watching your kids wasting their potential future really hurts. Especially, when you are sharing your love of music with them, they don't seem to be interested in them. From that, you might want to ask your kids open-heartedly whether or not they want to continue because if they don't have the heart nor the passion for music - maybe it's time for them to seek something else that they enjoy beside watching youtube et cetera? If you want to know what's your kid's passion, maybe watch their youtube videos and see if you can transform into something worthwhile in the long run? Maybe make a youtube video or setup a channel with them?

Second, being a parent is hard work and sometime it hurts. But being a kid is also hard and can be depressing because both parties can't read each other's mind. For that, there is always a lot of miscommunication between you and your kids. Also, do you have any patience to talk to your kids without getting angry or raising your voice? If not, than you need to work on your temperament when you are talking to your kids. As Stoic philosopher had said, "Anger is a terrible emotion, which you lose your rationality while making decision".

Thirdly, everyone has expectations but is it realistic? For example, if you want your kids to lose weight and stop eating junk food. Would it be effective to yell at them to stop eating junk food while you are eating a chocolate bar? Gandhi made a valid point, "If you want someone to do something, YOU MUST DO IT TOO." So, you don't want your kids to eat junk food, you must also give up junk food. Regarding about the instrument practice, when your kids are practicing, are you there practicing/encouraging them or you are on your cellphone in the other room? Kids will usually mimicked their parent's behaviour. So don't be hypocritic and be consistent with your values.

Fourthly, when you are explaining about their mistakes/failures in life, have a constructive feedback and ask them what way they can improve themselves? Instead of telling them, they suck and grinding your teeth when they are terrible. Cause being passive-aggressive won't make them better musician. Evaluate the situation, is it because they don't understand the music theory (is their music basic terrible?) or they purposely play terribly in front of you and your wife so they can quit? Also, when you fail at something, it doesn't mean you actually FAIL. The word FAIL is an acronym for. "First Attempt In Learning". If you don't fail at something, it means you are not learning anything. So, tell them this, "The faster you fail, the faster you succeed because the word, FAIL, is actually your first attempt in learning."

Lastly, Mmouse, you have to sit down with your kids and be honest with them. You have to tell them that you worry about their future. If you don't have this conservation with them, they will mindlessly go through life. I understand you don't want to ruin your kid's childhood since they are under 18 yrs old and they should have a "FREEDOM" to choice their destiny et cetera. However, as a parent - it is your job to make sure they grow up and be able to survive in this world without you or your wife in the future. Indeed, there are some teachers and parents peach this philosophy that their kids is their bestfriend or you should be their kid's bestfriend. I ABSOLUTELY disagree with this teaching because there are some lines you just can't cross and you have to be able to tell your kid's the truth without being blind by your pseudo-friendship. Also, your kid's teacher are not really there for your kids, they are there just for the paycheck. If the teachers really care about your kid's future, why do they go on strike to get an increase in their salary? Indeed, there are some teachers that do go, "Above and beyond their duty", but it rarely happens. Unless you are in an Asian society, where the society respect and cherish their teachers - even then - it's hard to get an exceptional educator to teach your kids about the way of life.

Overall, if you consistently treat them as a child, they will always be a child. As Confucius had said, "Give a man a fish, and you'll feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish, and you've fed him for a lifetime."


Good luck.


P.S. Not sure if you had an opportunity to watch a film called, Rocky Balboa (2006), Sylvester Stallone did an amazing job on conveying about hard work and how to be a winner in life. << Rocky Balboa - how winning is done -
>>

P.P.S.S. To the TERB monitors, I'm not sure am I allow to post this youtube video. If I'm not allow, I'll take it out. Thanks.
 
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@Mr.lover it sounds like you were just trying to be a good, better than average parent. Perhaps like me you were trying to rectify the mistakes you believe your parents made. But now the unintended damage is done, what can we do to to fix it?
 

mmouse

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@Coolsin000 thanks for your interesting and thoughtful reply. The main take home for me is Gandhi quote "If you want someone to do something, YOU MUST DO IT TOO.". Yes, kids follow by example. Maybe it's time for me to get serious about a musical instrument. Or at least stop using my phone so much.
 
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jalimon

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It is unfair to women as they like to shag as much as guys but get a unfair reputation if they do.
Sad but true.

You know to be frank I am so grateful for the sluts and hoes because I wouldn't have fuck much in my 20's without them haha
 

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You have not established yourself as an authority figure.

There's a Necessary Evil in parenting you must exercise. Reason being is your kids don't understand the harshness of the real world and you must prepare them. Failure to do so wil greatly limit them.

Forget the music lessons, Start with education and guide them to a great career of their choice and capability. Also get them to do some chores on the weekend, help get groceries, prepare food etc.
 

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One of the biggest problems in our society is we are too critical of our kids.
OUR society?

The conflict of generations that OP is talking about is as old humans having children. Although the details may differ, the general concept is a constant.
 
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