My facebook freind says you're full of shit and have no clue what you're talking about. Sweden did not voluntarily shut down, and may people still had parties, weddings and get togethers while in the midst of the pandemic
Sweden model deemed a success
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I referred to & quoted Swedish sources. His argument is with them.
See above.
Hence the Swedish disaster.
Five times more total deaths than their 3 neighbours with a 50% larger population is not "success", but failure.
Why is that? One of them was the Swedish expert you cited as an authority.
See the other Sweden thread(s) for even more sources i've referred to.
Here's another one:
"the population of 10 million was asked, rather than ordered, to respect physical distancing and work from home if possible, which it largely did."
"...The government said on Tuesday it was lifting its ban on visits to care homes for the first time in months from October. The minister for social affairs,
Lena Hallengren, said: “It is a risk when we lift the ban. I now want everyone to take responsibility.”
Sweden spared European surge as coronavirus infections stay low
Chief epidemiologist puts low number of cases down to light-touch ‘sustainable’ approach
www.theguardian.com
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Yes I'm sure a lot of people that could work from home did, but when night time came everyone still went to bars, nightclubs, restaurants, movie theatres.....etc without wearing masks. They did practice social distancing however in restaurants and movie theatres. And that is still going on today, and yet they are somehow LOWERING their daily new infection rate regardless, while Denmark and Norway are going up.
See my graphs (I trust you know how to read graphs??): https://terb.cc/xenforo/threads/sweden-model-deemed-a-success.723536/post-6805735
"During the months of March to early June, all shops were practically empty, people stopped dining with friends, and families stopped seeing even their closest relatives," Furberg told MedPage Today. "A lock-down could not have been more effective. Handwashing, excessive use of hand sanitizers, and staying home at the first sign of a cold became the new normal very quickly."
So Sweden was in effect largely in lockdown mode, even though there wasn't an official government order to lockdown.
"...While Sweden didn't officially lock down, many in the country have described a locked-down "feeling" that has eased in the summer months."
"At the start of the outbreak, only high schools and universities closed; daycare and elementary schools have been open. Businesses have also remained open, but typically at reduced hours, and restaurants have functioned at reduced capacity.Swedes have been asked to keep their distance in public, refrain from non-essential travel, and work from home when possible. Gatherings of more than 50 people are also banned. People age 70 and over are advised to stay away from others as much as possible."
If Sweden had worn masks their death count wouldn't have been so high. As it played out they have had way more deaths than their Nordic neighbors who also have had a low incidence of mask wearing yet far fewer deaths.
Instead of recommending mask wearing Sweden recommended elderly people isolate themselves, people work from home, social distance, etc. And they did. Sweden did not treat C-19 like "just another flu". If they had their hospitals may have been overwhelmed resulting in more deaths from being unable to treat non C-19 emergency cases.
"...the stated goal of the Swedish authorities was always not to minimize the epidemic but rather slow it down, so that the health care system wouldn’t be overwhelmed.
...on a per-capita basis, Sweden far outpaces its Scandinavian neighbors in COVID deaths, with 567 deaths per million people compared with Denmark's 106 deaths per million, Finland's 59 deaths per million, and Norway's 47 deaths per million. The Swedish figure is closer to Italy's 581 deaths per million.
...others have criticized the approach, including two dozen Swedish academics who published a recent USA Today editorial.
"In Sweden, the strategy has led to death, grief, and suffering," they wrote. "On top of that, there are no indications that the Swedish economy has fared better than in many other countries. At the moment, we have set an example for the rest of the world on how not to deal with a deadly infectious disease."
...Tegnell told reporters last week he thought the recent trends indicated that immunity was now widespread in the country. But with rates of antibody positivity around 10%, that seems impossible.
...Spurkland said it's still "too early yet to conclude whether the Swedish approach was the wisest over all," as it remains to be seen whether Norway and other countries that did lock down will avoid a second wave of infections in the fall.
Yet she cautions that choosing to take on a higher case load may have health consequences far beyond the immediate infection.
"What we have learned these months is that COVID-19 is not only about death, it is also about ill health," Spurkland said. "Quite a number of people going through the infection have long-term symptoms, that may be stopping them from resuming their daily life. We do not know yet how large a proportion of those who get the virus will fall into this category, but it is certainly a concern.
...Sweden has a death toll greater than the United States: 564 deaths per million inhabitants compared with 444, as of July 27.
Sweden also has a death toll nearly five times greater than that of the other four Nordic countries combined — more than twice per million inhabitants. For a number of weeks, Sweden has been among the top in the world when it comes to reported deaths per capita.
...perhaps an unwillingness to admit early mistakes and take responsibility for thousands of unnecessary deaths plays into this resistance to change...
We do believe that Sweden can be used as a model, but not in the way it was thought of initially. It can instead serve as a control group and answer the question of how efficient the voluntary distancing and loose measures in Sweden are compared with lockdowns, aggressive testing, tracing and the use of masks.
In Sweden, the strategy has led to death, grief and suffering. On top of that, there are no indications that the Swedish economy has fared better than in many other countries. At the moment, we have set an example for the rest of the world on how not to deal with a deadly infectious disease.
In the end, this too shall pass and life will eventually return to normal. New medical treatments will come and improve the prognosis. Hopefully, there will be a vaccine. Stick it out until then. And don’t do it the Swedish way."
Great Covid News! Sweden's infections rates are declining significantly, showing their method is very likely the best path forward
Sweden's GDP growth last quarter, and their rates of infections have now been dropping dramatically. Nearly no new deaths in Sweden, despite never locking down. The expectation is that herd immunity is only needed to be at 20-30% instead of the expected 60-70% as lots of people who have had...
www.therxforum.com
Are you able to identify the different scales on those graphs? If you are, you'd notice Norway's 'big spike' has taken them up to a similar amount to Sweden's 'low' numbers.
Facebook buddy says most of this info is completely false"During the months of March to early June, all shops were practically empty, people stopped dining with friends, and families stopped seeing even their closest relatives," Furberg told MedPage Today. "A lock-down could not have been more effective. Handwashing, excessive use of hand sanitizers, and staying home at the first sign of a cold became the new normal very quickly."
So Sweden was in effect largely in lockdown mode, even though there wasn't an official government order to lockdown.
"...While Sweden didn't officially lock down, many in the country have described a locked-down "feeling" that has eased in the summer months."
"At the start of the outbreak, only high schools and universities closed; daycare and elementary schools have been open. Businesses have also remained open, but typically at reduced hours, and restaurants have functioned at reduced capacity.Swedes have been asked to keep their distance in public, refrain from non-essential travel, and work from home when possible. Gatherings of more than 50 people are also banned. People age 70 and over are advised to stay away from others as much as possible."
If Sweden had worn masks their death count wouldn't have been so high. As it played out they have had way more deaths than their Nordic neighbors who also have had a low incidence of mask wearing yet far fewer deaths.
Instead of recommending mask wearing Sweden recommended elderly people isolate themselves, people work from home, social distance, etc. And they did. Sweden did not treat C-19 like "just another flu". If they had their hospitals may have been overwhelmed resulting in more deaths from being unable to treat non C-19 emergency cases.
"...the stated goal of the Swedish authorities was always not to minimize the epidemic but rather slow it down, so that the health care system wouldn’t be overwhelmed.
...on a per-capita basis, Sweden far outpaces its Scandinavian neighbors in COVID deaths, with 567 deaths per million people compared with Denmark's 106 deaths per million, Finland's 59 deaths per million, and Norway's 47 deaths per million. The Swedish figure is closer to Italy's 581 deaths per million.
...others have criticized the approach, including two dozen Swedish academics who published a recent USA Today editorial.
"In Sweden, the strategy has led to death, grief, and suffering," they wrote. "On top of that, there are no indications that the Swedish economy has fared better than in many other countries. At the moment, we have set an example for the rest of the world on how not to deal with a deadly infectious disease."
...Tegnell told reporters last week he thought the recent trends indicated that immunity was now widespread in the country. But with rates of antibody positivity around 10%, that seems impossible.
...Spurkland said it's still "too early yet to conclude whether the Swedish approach was the wisest over all," as it remains to be seen whether Norway and other countries that did lock down will avoid a second wave of infections in the fall.
Yet she cautions that choosing to take on a higher case load may have health consequences far beyond the immediate infection.
"What we have learned these months is that COVID-19 is not only about death, it is also about ill health," Spurkland said. "Quite a number of people going through the infection have long-term symptoms, that may be stopping them from resuming their daily life. We do not know yet how large a proportion of those who get the virus will fall into this category, but it is certainly a concern.
...Sweden has a death toll greater than the United States: 564 deaths per million inhabitants compared with 444, as of July 27.
Sweden also has a death toll nearly five times greater than that of the other four Nordic countries combined — more than twice per million inhabitants. For a number of weeks, Sweden has been among the top in the world when it comes to reported deaths per capita.
...perhaps an unwillingness to admit early mistakes and take responsibility for thousands of unnecessary deaths plays into this resistance to change...
We do believe that Sweden can be used as a model, but not in the way it was thought of initially. It can instead serve as a control group and answer the question of how efficient the voluntary distancing and loose measures in Sweden are compared with lockdowns, aggressive testing, tracing and the use of masks.
In Sweden, the strategy has led to death, grief and suffering. On top of that, there are no indications that the Swedish economy has fared better than in many other countries. At the moment, we have set an example for the rest of the world on how not to deal with a deadly infectious disease.
In the end, this too shall pass and life will eventually return to normal. New medical treatments will come and improve the prognosis. Hopefully, there will be a vaccine. Stick it out until then. And don’t do it the Swedish way."
Great Covid News! Sweden's infections rates are declining significantly, showing their method is very likely the best path forward
Sweden's GDP growth last quarter, and their rates of infections have now been dropping dramatically. Nearly no new deaths in Sweden, despite never locking down. The expectation is that herd immunity is only needed to be at 20-30% instead of the expected 60-70% as lots of people who have had...
The point isnt where they are relative to Sweden on the graph, the point is Sweden's new infections are going down, while Denmark and Norway's are going up.
My guess is almost every country in Europe is now experiencing their 2nd wave, while Sweden isnt
Swedes probably contract the coronavirus at the same rate as Americans. The difference is Swedes believe in fitness, Americans believe in over-eating. A Swede may test positive but the chances of them becoming ill are low. An obese America, very high. The USA has the highest morbid obesity rate in the developed world.
America truly is a shithole country. How the fuck does processed cheese, which is a cholesterol neutron bomb, become American Cheese?
America truly is a shithole country. How the fuck does processed cheese, which is a cholesterol neutron bomb, become American Cheese?
Which statements did he say are false?
Which statements does he say are true?
Can he provide any quotes agreeing with his opinions? If so, then please provide them here.
Sweden's daily infections are trending up since late August.
In recent days Finland's daily infections are trending down.
Denmark is seeing a recent spike while in some schools they have had no masks or even social distancing. As a result they just added new restrictions
while asking people to act more responsibly & reducing football match attendances to a maximum of 500. Sweden may be acting more responsibly recently.
Which would explain the difference in recent infections.
Yet, most importantly, the Denmark rise in infections is being attributed to low risk irresponsible younger adults & Denmark's daily deaths remain, like Sweden's,
at a very low level. Denmark has had 635 deaths overall while Sweden has 5,864. So, relative to Denmark, Sweden's approach is still a failure.
Denmark introduces new restrictions as virus cases surge
Faced with a rise in new coronavirus infections, Denmark on Tuesday announced new restrictions as the prime minister called for people to respect recommendations aimed at reducing the spread.
Sweden spared European surge as coronavirus infections stay low
Chief epidemiologist puts low number of cases down to light-touch ‘sustainable’ approach
www.theguardian.com
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Since when did conservatives admire a socialist country like Sweden so much? Only when it's convenient for there agenda?
A thing of beauty coming to Canada near you.
"Spanish police attempt to arrest a woman not wearing a mask. Bystanders pull the woman away from the police and chase the police away, while chanting "Liberty!" Expect more of this, around the world, in the days to come."
Time to live again.
"Spanish police attempt to arrest a woman not wearing a mask. Bystanders pull the woman away from the police and chase the police away, while chanting "Liberty!" Expect more of this, around the world, in the days to come."
Time to live again.
The point is Sweden was a disaster and have now gone down to a similar case level as their neighbours. All it took was 6000 deaths to get there.
It's also pretty early to claim Sweden will avoid a second wave. Their first wave was huge and lasted way longer than their neighbours so it is expected that their second wave will start later.
Its also way too early to call Sweden a disaster.
As of right now they are doing well without stupid masks and other economy destroying measures
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Right, and Sweden is seeing a decline while also having no masks and little social distancing.
Go figure
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