Looks like the number of women requiring deposits is growing day by day

[Jenesis]

If you're offering $300 - $500 an hour to come over you can bring your friends and I'll put out the chips?

Wow. Great response.

And this is why some ladies think that men don’t give two shits about their safety, only their own anonymity. Hence why they get jaded, ask for deposits and heavily screen.

Thanks for the assist on proving that. Much appreciated.

 

[TeeJay]

I don’t hide who I am from my clients. I don’t ask for deposits or ID.

Is it normal to have people to your house when you don’t know their name and actually phone number? Because that is something I do ask for since that is where I host my incalls. Quid pro quo in my opinion. There is enough shared info between the parties that both are equally aware of the other. I see nothing wrong with that.

Lots of companies run out of their home with no ID requirements

Everything from people who prepare food all the way up to legit RMTs who have no issue with massaging a nude client

Lets be clear the reason many providers are so squirrely is because they know they are doing something illegal
That goes both ways; clients want no trace of their activity and providers dont pay taxes so they work under the table

 

[PassionateBaker]

Lots of companies run out of their home with no ID requirements

Everything from people who prepare food all the way up to legit RMTs who have no issue with massaging a nude client

Lets be clear the reason many providers are so squirrely is because they know they are doing something illegal
That goes both ways; clients want no trace of their activity and providers dont pay taxes so they work under the table

Now wait for it ..... I pay my taxes!

 

[Dcoat]

Wow. Great response.

And this is why some ladies think that men don’t give two shits about their safety, only their own anonymity. Hence why they get jaded, ask for deposits and heavily screen.

Thanks for the assist on proving that. Much appreciated.

Saftey is always top (not always the top ) priority.

That applies to both sides of the contract, and sex workers do rightly insist on contracts where they can take the money, promise to kick you out if they don't like how they feel, or don't fulfil the expectation they nurture and no money back, and, and some are openly racist and ageist. I acknowledge that is an extreme situation that happens extremely rarely, but it is what is promised on most SW's profiles. Feelings are important, and feeling unsafe is at the least uncomfortable, and maybe warranted, but not necessarily.

So let me rephrase your position without putting words into your mouth.

Sex worker will show pictures and give a profile with a fictional name, that is intended to tantalize customers without revealing her location, bank account, personal phone number or anything else that COULD give away her true identity.

Customer is asked for a real name, and just to confirm without any possibility of misunderstanding his personal phone number, bank account or email address, photo ID to make sure he reveals every personal identity detail with 100% accuracy.

Now, I get that the media and some other folks will tell me that men, by nature, are violent, unsafe homosapiens, who can not be trusted, especially in close proximity to a naked or soon to be naked woman.

Thats not my experience, it's not what the science says, and it's not what I will tolerate when being assessed for my qualification to spend an hour and big bucks with a woman or anyone.

 

[explorerzip]

They won't miss you either, just your money, give your head a shake.

LJ


Clearly I hit a nerve.

LJ

Give my head a shake about what? You wrote about "investing" $300K or probably closer to $500K on these ladies over 20 years as if it's some grand act of charity. Were you expecting a humanitarian award for that? Why even mention this?

At least your comment was somewhat original instead of the usual no deposits and no screening routine.

 

[escortsxxx]

There a certain practices that should be stopped even if they have some benefits because the negative long term consequences are huge.
For failures
computer cookies - a failed boycott because at the time most users where computer illiterate
Google social media profiles (which are slowly becoming illegal)
-Computer chip id on visa cards (huge security risk)
-Finger/bio id which is easily faked currently (there been some push back on this)
-dancing exotic licenes with id kept by local city govs.

Success
-Reverse billing not allowed
-Security on ATM/ABM (previously no security)
-Improved on line security

Anyway, its not saying anyone has a right not to try it but also everyone has the right to reject it, and move to another provider. With the laws in flux - the current laws will probably be overturned in less than a decade having this info out there is too dangerous for most - in much the same way as dancing licenses are too much of an overreach.

As the CERB hack shows as soon as id is digitalized its open seasons and is always on a sever somewhere despite the best intention of all parties to be scooped up by those of mal intent. Even if you are fairly open publicly on your lifestyle the princple of privacy needs to be protected - laws and attitudes change digital records are forever.

 

[Jenesis]

So let me rephrase your position without putting words into your mouth.

Sex worker will show pictures and give a profile with a fictional name, that is intended to tantalize customers without revealing her location, bank account, personal phone number or anything else that COULD give away her true identity.

Customer is asked for a real name, and just to confirm without any possibility of misunderstanding his personal phone number, bank account or email address, photo ID to make sure he reveals every personal identity detail with 100% accuracy.

What part of I don’t ask for ID didn’t you get?

I ask for a name and real number, I give a real
Personal address. I ask for a reference and I offer reviews written. As I said, quid pro quo.

So no need for you to try and “rephrase” anything. I got it right the first time I said it.

 

[escortsxxx]

In a related issue, has any participated in the pure reference sp biz? No ads, little on line presence but purely via call lists or personal introductions? Used to be big in the 80s I hear its coming back in the UK.

 

[explorerzip]

Sounds very reasonable, and I would agree, well established, well reviewed ladies should be trustworthy.


Except............ my experience is unfortunate.

A lady who advertises here regularly (daily), has many reviews (YMMV considered), took a full fee e-transfer, then cancelled, refused to return the fee by the same e-transfer. Just in case you think she didn't know me or I became rude, she reminded me before I sent the e-transfer that she remembered me (fondly ?) and she had the record because I had seen her twice over 2 or 3 years.

She finally agreed to meet me, 45 mins away from the incall and where I live, to pick up cash.

I will NEVER prepay.

Are you saying that you prepaid for the appointment in full? No reputable business let alone escorts should do that.

 

[escortsxxx]

Are you saying that you prepaid for the appointment in full? No reputable business let alone escorts should do that.

Agreed I have paid in full in advace but again somone I have a history with.

 

[escortsxxx]

Agreed I have paid in full in advace but again somone I have a history with. And a couple of times it went south.

 

[lomotil]

Blackmail, extortion, ransomware payed out on bitcoin are examples of what could happen and has happened alreadywhen guys use their little heads to purchase sex. Why take the risk in leaving an online cyber trail when the provider or seller has immunity under Bill C36.and the purchaser does not. If the purchaser gets threatened or extorted then who are they go to run to, LE ? It is understandable that sex providers want to ensure physical and financial security but this kind of stress on john’s could increase erectile dysfunction. Burning phones are traceable too.

 

[escortsxxx]

Blackmail, extortion, ransomware payed out on bitcoin are examples of what could happen and has happened alreadywhen guys use their little heads to purchase sex. Why take the risk in leaving an online cyber trail when the provider or seller has immunity under Bill C36.and the purchaser does not. If the purchaser gets threatened or extorted then who are they go to run to, LE ? It is understandable that sex providers want to ensure physical and financial security but this kind of stress on john’s could increase erectile dysfunction. Burning phones are traceable too.

Good points

 

[likwid]

Its basic economics, they require the deposit because there is enough demand still even with screening. If you kill the supply(willingness to deposit)....

 

[Samranchoi]

Blackmail, extortion, ransomware payed out on bitcoin are examples of what could happen and has happened alreadywhen guys use their little heads to purchase sex. Why take the risk in leaving an online cyber trail when the provider or seller has immunity under Bill C36.and the purchaser does not. If the purchaser gets threatened or extorted then who are they go to run to, LE ? It is understandable that sex providers want to ensure physical and financial security but this kind of stress on john’s could increase erectile dysfunction. Burning phones are traceable too.

Yes “what could happen” and in almost all cases doesn’t. Just like “assault, robbery, being blackmailed and the ultimate, being killed” can happen to women.

The solution is so simple for guys, if you don’t want to go through a screening process then don’t. Move on. No one has a gun to your head forcing you to see someone. If you elect to go through a screening process, stay with reputable providers and you should be ok (nothing is ever 100%). There is risk on both sides of the equation here. For me, it is the woman’s business and her health and safety that has priority but obviously many guys here place their privacy about their safety concerns and that is ok because it is their choice to make.

 

[doggystyle99]

Yes “what could happen” and in almost all cases doesn’t. Just like “assault, robbery, being blackmailed and the ultimate, being killed” can happen to women.

The solution is so simple for guys, if you don’t want to go through a screening process then don’t. Move on. No one has a gun to your head forcing you to see someone. If you elect to go through a screening process, stay with reputable providers and you should be ok (nothing is ever 100%). There is risk on both sides of the equation here. For me, it is the woman’s business and her health and safety that has priority but obviously many guys here place their privacy about their safety concerns and that is ok because it is their choice to make.

Just like "assaults, robbery, being blackmailed and the ultimate being killed" in almost all cases doesn't happen.

 

[Samranchoi]

Just like "assaults, robbery, being blackmailed and the ultimate being killed" in almost all cases doesn't happen.

I think I alluded to that,

 

[explorerzip]

Agreed I have paid in full in advace but again somone I have a history with.

Paying in full is unusual and inappropriate. Did she insist you pay in full or was it your idea? It looks like you were able to get all your money back from her, but that still does not make it acceptable.

 

[Dcoat]

What part of I don’t ask for ID didn’t you get?

I ask for a name and real number, I give a real
Personal address. I ask for a reference and I offer reviews written. As I said, quid pro quo.

So no need for you to try and “rephrase” anything. I got it right the first time I said it.

I wasn't referring to you in particular in any part of my post.

I apologize to you and anyone else who were mislead to believe that.

I was following the thread about the disclosure booking policy in general and what is often, but not always asked for or given.

 

[Dcoat]

Are you saying that you prepaid for the appointment in full? No reputable business let alone escorts should do that.

I was stupid, in hind sight for sure. I was trusting, and will continue to be, but won't make the same mistake twice.

In terms of business's doing that, they actually do. In some instances for special orders, or any kind of unique situation. Thats often the norm for parties too. It is certainly the norm for this provider