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Black man shot 11 times as he walked away from police

Butler1000

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And of course they can't afford body cams but it only took hours to get the riot gear and anti personnel arsenal out as they lock down the county.

Thanks Patriot Act!
 

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We don't have enough info, yet. In the videos available, they tried to restrain him, he got away and went into his car head first. He seemed dazed or impaired. If there was a weapon in the car, it was the right decision to shoot him. I do question their failure to immobilize him in the beginning of the available footage. Maybe they should have used the knee?
 
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Butler1000

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We don't have enough info, yet. In the videos available, they tried to restrain him, he got away and went into his car head first. He seemed dazed or impaired. If there was a weapon in the car, it was the right decision to shoot him. I do question their failure to immobilize him in the beginning of the available footage. Maybe they should have used the knee?
You should recognize these things. No doubt you saw them in the Eastern Block. Just the target and reason has changed. The tactics are still authoritarian.
 

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You should recognize these things. No doubt you saw them in the Eastern Block. Just the target and reason has changed. The tactics are still authoritarian.
The cops were not big on shooting people in the Easter Block, ironically. On the other hand, had he resisted arrest there, he would not get up.
 

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Not in public......how many disappeared?
The disappearing mostly stopped in most of the Eastern Europe by the time Leonid arrived on the scene to be replaced by other methods of persuasion like preventive incarceration, automatic sentencing, career prohibitions, etc.
 

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Pete Deates, president of the Kenosha police union, called Evers's statement "wholly irresponsible."

"As always, the video currently circulating does not capture all the intricacies of a highly dynamic incident," Deates said in a statement. "We ask that you withhold from passing judgment until all the facts are known and released."


I'm speculating that he reached for a weapon in the car or had one on him. Let's see before we jump to perilous conclusions.
You jumped to a conclusion.
We only know his three boys were in the car.
 

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Pete Deates, president of the Kenosha police union, called Evers's statement "wholly irresponsible."

"As always, the video currently circulating does not capture all the intricacies of a highly dynamic incident," Deates said in a statement. "We ask that you withhold from passing judgment until all the facts are known and released."


I'm speculating that he reached for a weapon in the car or had one on him. Let's see before we jump to perilous conclusions.
What part of "wasn't armed" are you misinterpreting? Just cherry picked around that part?
 

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It's unfathomable too me. Why would anybody shoot anybody to impede them from getting into their car when they could just drag them to the ground. There's got to be more here that we can't see. If not then this is reprehensible. Let's see how this unfolds.
The common thread in almost all of these incidents are suspects refusing to following the instructions of the police. I cannot understand why innocent suspects do this, and no one has even tried to explain why this happens. Following police instructions is not optional. Most of the time, their instructions are given to ensure the safety of the officers and those in the vicinity. The instructions are standard protocol for a reason - because MANY suspects DO have weapons, and DO fire on police if given the chance. Many, many, more times than suspects who are ever shot by police in error.

It is not an unreasonable thought that a suspect who refuses to comply with an order to step away from the car is going to retrieve a weapon. It is ridiculous to ask someone who is just doing a job to risk their life by allowing a suspect to do whatever they want until they flash a weapon. By then, its too late.

If people want to complain about being unlawfully arrested, there is a legal process for that. You don't get to contest your arrest on the spot by refusing police instructions. If anyone is teaching people otherwise, they are part of the problem.
 
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Did he really have a knife though? If not and if he wasn't reaching for one in his vehicle then this is an unjustifiable shooting.
it’s not clear ATM since there are many conflicting claims.

These officers need to be tried. Have all the evidence presented and if they deviated from training then charge and convict them according. If they followed training then reform and updated the training, have more cops, better training, better protocols and practices.

I don’t know what would be the appropriate and most effective way to deal with this situation. However I am sure we have subject matter experts that could figure it out and update training and protocols based on world wide experiences dealing with these types of situations.


 

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it’s not clear ATM since there are many conflicting claims.

These officers need to be tried. Have all the evidence presented and if they deviated from training then charge and convict them according. If they followed training then reform and updated the training, have more cops, better training, better protocols and practices.

I don’t know what would be the appropriate and most effective way to deal with this situation. However I am sure we have subject matter experts that could figure it out and update training and protocols based on world wide experiences dealing with these types of situations.
Well seeing as he is still alive, he will have the opportunity to tell his side of the story as the investigation gets underway.

I do know that I've heard many first responders say that when they go through training and when they are on the job, they are told "you go home after your shift". Which means that their safety takes priority over someone else.

So if a weapon was involved that the officers felt could be or was going to be used against them, perhaps that's why they fired. I don't think officers faced with that situation have a debate about who should shoot or how many times.
They all want to go home.

Based on what's been presented so far, I find it hard to believe that a pack of racist officers decided to just shoot someone multiple times because they felt like it. I guess the story will unfold soon.
 

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It looks like he is holding something in his hand from this frame plus there are many witnesses saying he had one.

I know I've seen that photo. But they could just be sunglasses as well. If he had a weapon they should release the information as soon as possible.

His prior arrest record indicates he no stranger to resisting arrest and weapon charges. But that isn't validation for shooting him. It's just an indication of his past and possible present behaviour.
 
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