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Black people 'disproportionately' arrested, assaulted by Toronto police: OHRC

jerimander

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Regardless of what they actually think in private, no professional scientist will put his career on the line by making controversial statements in our PC era. If you deny reality, you can't fix the problem.
 

yomero5

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It's perfectly reasonable that white people may be more intelligent than black people. Black people are superior athletes and much more physically gifted than white people. What's obvious, is obvious.
 

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It's perfectly reasonable that white people may be more intelligent than black people. Black people are superior athletes and much more physically gifted than white people. What's obvious, is obvious.
NONONONONONONONONOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

you cant say people are different

 

Charlemagne

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It's perfectly reasonable that white people may be more intelligent than black people. Black people are superior athletes and much more physically gifted than white people. What's obvious, is obvious.
It's been debunked over and over though.
This site is just full of white nationalists that spew their hate online because society is repulsed by them.
 

yomero5

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It's been debunked over and over though.
This site is just full of white nationalists that spew their hate online because society is repulsed by them.
Lol, I'm not even white. I just admitted that black people are the physically superior race. Take that as a win!
 

Charlemagne

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Lol, I'm not even white. I just admitted that black people are the physically superior race. Take that as a win!
You don't have to be. A lot of proud boys are not white, a lot of black people are white nationalists as well.

Racial science has always been used to push forward certain ideologies. It's always been debunked.
 

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Posts in this thread really exemplify the white fragility thing. Most people would say 'no shit' when reading the report but look at how many people are here trying to pretend whites are somehow under attack.
 

MindJohn

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Why aren't white hassled for being pedophiles?
... because there is no strong overlap between pedophilia and the poor.

If somehow society could cease at once to use race to identify or depict the poor... then most racism would disappear.


While racial minorities are protected classes, the poor, generally aren't ... and everyone needs the crutch that allows them to look down upon the poor when they themselves are having a bad day or year.


Cops spend all day reinforcing these stereotypes (er, having them reinforced before their eyes) and it would take years to un-train them from the hypnotic effect of their routine work days.
 

MindJohn

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Go read the CBC article in my original post.

It shows that police have been disproportionately targeting black people for things like marijuana even though others do it at the same rate.

Also most use of force complaints involve black people who are unarmed and don't have a criminal record.
OK, when you can return here with a study that controls for wealth among all of that, then you'll have something that is statistically significant.

The police are really disproportionately targeting the poor (why? because they aren't generally a protected class) and it only then underscores how greatly the set of POC overlaps with the set of the poor )
 

MindJohn

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Crime stats are available by race for the US. Last I saw, blacks committed, depending on the category, between 28 and 52 percent of crime. They are only about 13 percent of the population.
But the data that you're citing, to suit your own narrative, is not relevant data until you control that data for wealth/poverty.

If you could ascertain through your data that the wealthy guys who comprise the L.A. Lakers commit more crime than, say, the Minnesota North Stars (of similar wealth, for this example)... then you'd be sharing some data that meant something.

As is, you're just parroting other people who don't understand what they're talking about.
 

MindJohn

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The other laughable side of this equation, is the fact more than 50% of cops are minorities
Yet these same equal opportunity minorities are obviously being indoctrinated to also harass, arrest, convict, and sentence other minorities
LOL - talk about trolling


... the above is further a function of the cops heavily policing mostly the poor... and only idiots allow themselves to believe that some black/white distribution among the data is connected to racism.
 

MindJohn

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If you understand statistics, the study actually tells us nothing WHY blacks are over-represented.

Four possibilities:

They commit less or the same crimes relative to their population, than the rest of the population, and are therefore unfairly targeted.

They commit more crimes than the rest of the population, but are still unfairly targeted, because they are even so still over-targeted.

They commit more crimes than the rest of the population, and are fairly targeted on that basis.

They commit more crimes than the rest of the population, and are under-targeted, because even though they are charged more than the rest of the population, they STILL aren't charged as much as they should be.

The study tells us nothing about which of the four cases is the truth.

The underlying assumption is that all races are equally likely to commit crimes. Of course in that case, any race that is under-charged with crimes deserves MORE charges. So if relatively peaceful Japanese Canadians are rarely charged etc, then they are somehow 'getting away with it'. That's the logic of 'every race is equal in all aspects" theory.

You cannot say that some are over-charged without saying that some are under-charged.


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So apparently YOU don't understand statistics (particularly as you think there are only 4 possibilities as listed) .

The factual reality is that blacks are not 'targeted' (by law enforcement) at all.

For it is -the poor- who "... commit more crimes than the rest of the population, and are fairly targeted on that basis"... and the racial overlap among the subset of humanity who are poor, is not something created by police in any exceptional way.

But what 2020 society and the media which pretends to represent it, fail to do, is acknowledge that while the rest of us are sitting in boardrooms, and talking to people in H.R. ... and having corporate lunches... police are conditioned on an hourly basis to believe that POC = poor = more likely to commit crime.

And that alone is the crux of the problem.

The solution remains to dissociate race from any sort of indication of financial well-being.

We all know we can do this...

For if Grant Fuhr is the person milling around back in your sports equipment store, and you know it, you're not watching all of the closed circuit cameras intently. You're glad he's there, and you wish you could figure out who to tell, in your own personal life (that would score you 'points' somehow)... but not once do you expect Grant Fuhr to steal from you.

Grant Fuhr may even be looking around oddly, up and down each aisle... but he's looking around to see if he's likely to be recognized, not to see if store security is looking.




As for the last part: You don't understand what you're talking about.

It is indisputable that "all races are equally likely to commit crimes".

BUT 'race' is independently irrelevant data, and should be treated as such.

IF, say, 1 in every 6 Jamaican Canadians is poor... and 1 in every 27 Japanese Canadians is poor.

And if we accept that the poor commit far more crimes per capita than other subsets of society... then it is still true that crime data studied for race should find 4.5X the rate of Jamaican Canadians committing crimes as do Japanese Canadians... over a long study with a statistically-significant sample size (and not just a medium-sized list of all who have ever been gunned-down by the Bacon brothers)

Lastly, of course none of that supports any hint that Japanese Canadians are in any way better than Jamaican Canadians. (which is the inferred perception at the root of the whole problem)
 

MindJohn

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It's perfectly reasonable that white people may be more intelligent than black people. Black people are superior athletes and much more physically gifted than white people. What's obvious, is obvious.
God, even this is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay out there.

Are you sure you're not speaking largely of the relatively small ancestry in North America who were indeed brought to these lands and selected for their obvious brawn hundreds of years ago, and who were then naturally inspired to maintain those genetics in a relatively narrow path of procreation (notwithstanding Thomas Jefferson)... who are now overrepresented in your immediate world, causing you to perceive that data from the entire world all around supports what you say?

Think... before you mistake your own, limited perception for what seems "obvious".
 

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But what 2020 society and the media which pretends to represent it, fail to do, is acknowledge that while the rest of us are sitting in boardrooms, and talking to people in H.R. ... and having corporate lunches... police are conditioned on an hourly basis to believe that POC = poor = more likely to commit crime.

And that alone is the crux of the problem.
But it is true that "Black" -> more likely to be poor. And it is also true that " poor" -> " more likely to commit crime". Which, by transitivity rule, implies "black" -> "more likely to commit crime". It seems you misunderstand the "->" for "=" in your logic and, somehow, pool together blacks with other POC. So, what do you suggest police should do? Ignore the facts? Ignore the rules of formal logic and mathematics? Are you one of those who say "do not let the facts to prevent use from seeing the truth?" Because no matter what anyone thinks, the mathematical rules are not something the government or society can change.
 

yomero5

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God, even this is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay out there.

Are you sure you're not speaking largely of the relatively small ancestry in North America who were indeed brought to these lands and selected for their obvious brawn hundreds of years ago, and who were then naturally inspired to maintain those genetics in a relatively narrow path of procreation (notwithstanding Thomas Jefferson)... who are now overrepresented in your immediate world, causing you to perceive that data from the entire world all around supports what you say?

Think... before you mistake your own, limited perception for what seems "obvious".
Very simplistic of you to conclude that breeding black slaves to work in plantations could lead to Olympic gold medals, LMAO!!!
 

yomero5

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You don't have to be. A lot of proud boys are not white, a lot of black people are white nationalists as well.

Racial science has always been used to push forward certain ideologies. It's always been debunked.
Black-White Nationalists??? Is that a counter group to the White Guilt Brigade?
 
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