Joe Biden just destroyed one of Trump's biggest attack lines

Frankfooter

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Pity you don't condemn China with the same amount of rage.
We don't know exactly how much they hid and for how long, but likely it was only a bit and only for a few weeks.
Unlike Trump.

Jan. 3, 2020: Doctors in China inform Robert Redfield, the director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, that a new coronavirus might be responsible for recent pneumonia cases in China. Redfield tells Alex Azar, the secretary of Health and Human Services. Azar’s office informs the National Security Council.

Early January: Intelligence briefers put a “detailed explanation of the problem … in the President’s Daily Brief.” The explanation focuses on “troubling signs of a new virus spreading through the Chinese city of Wuhan, and the Chinese government’s apparent efforts to conceal details of the outbreak.”


Jan. 9: At a campaign rally in Toledo, Ohio, Trump boasts that he’s about to sign a lucrative trade deal with China: “a big, beautiful monster—$40 [billion] to $50 billion to our farmers.”

Jan. 10: Trump tells Fox News that he’s angling for a second trade deal with Xi. “We have a great relationship with China right now, so I don’t want to speak badly of anyone,” he says. He deflects a question about China’s human rights violations, explaining, “I’m riding a fine line because we’re making … great trade deals.”

Jan. 13: The World Health Organization reports that the virus has spread beyond China.

Jan. 14: At a rally in Milwaukee, Trump says he’s about to sign the “trade deal with China, massively boosting exports of products made and produced right here in the great state of Wisconsin.”

Jan. 15: Trump signs the deal and praises Xi. “250 Billion Dollars will be coming back to our Country,” he tweets. “We are now in a great position for a Phase Two start.”

Jan. 16: Around this date, according to Politico, Azar “tried to share an urgent message with the president: The potential outbreak could leave tens of thousands of Americans sickened and many dead.” Politico says that according to “three people briefed on the conversations,” “Trump’s aides mocked and belittled Azar as alarmist, as he warned the president of a major threat to public health.”


Jan. 17: In a CDC briefing, Nancy Messonnier, the director of the National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases, predicts that as more countries test for the virus, “We’re going to see additional cases all around the world.”

Jan. 18: Azar phones Trump to talk about the virus. Multiple accounts of the call say that Trump “insisted on talking about e-cigarettes” before discussing the virus. The Wall Street Journal, citing officials who were briefed on the call, reports that Trump “dismissed coronavirus concerns as alarmist.”

Jan. 19–20: China’s chief health investigator publicly reports multiple cases that show the virus is spreading from human to human.

Jan. 21: The CDC reports the first documented infection in the United States. The agency also acknowledges “growing indications that limited person-to-person spread is happening.” Anthony Fauci, the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, tells Voice of America that the virus has been found to spread with high efficiency—“one person in China infected 15 others”—and that cases have been detected in Thailand, Japan, South Korea, and France. “Clearly, it’s starting to disseminate in a much wider way,” he warns.





Jan. 22: Trump says the CDC has briefed him and “China is in very good shape.” In a CNBC interview, Joe Kernen asks the president, “Are there worries about a pandemic”? “No, not at all,” says Trump. “We have it totally under control.” Kernen asks about reports that Beijing is hiding information: “Do you trust that we’re going to know everything we need to know from China?” Trump replies: “I do. I have a great relationship with President Xi. We just signed probably the biggest deal ever made.” He says he’ll begin talks on a second deal with China “very soon.”

Jan. 22–23: China shuts down Wuhan. This drastic response alarms the White House. On Jan. 23, national security adviser Robert O’Brien, joined by a CIA analyst, briefs Trump on the virus. In this briefing, according to a White House official who speaks later to NPR, Trump “was told that the coronavirus was potentially going to ‘spread globally.’ ” The Washington Post reports that during this time frame, “Trump’s advisers told him that Beijing was not providing accurate numbers of people who were infected or who had died.”
 

toguy5252

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He would have proposed a travel ban then be called a xenophobe.

You think other countries weren't impacted by those China lies? Like I said, hindsight is 20/20 and you can spin your Trump hatred narrative however you want.

Pity you don't condemn China with the same amount of rage.
Why do you insist on going back to January and what he might have done and what might have happened. he has done fuck all other than belittle scientists and people who wear masks and encourage non-distanced rally's and business to open and continually lied about the positivity rates and encourages his acolyte governors to ignore science and open up etc for 8 months and over 160K people are dead. I have not heard anyone let China off the hook but your fearless leader is directly responsible for thousands of Americans dieing because he did nothing in 8 months.

And it is not hindsight. Scientists have been begging him to do something for 8 months. Open your eyes to objective facts and pull your head of of the stable genius' ass.
 

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I guess this is the part where you scramble when you realize you are losing the argument and just start inventing things you think I said right? Right.

Show me where I said Americans do not follow the law.

The law is different than recommendations.

Keep trying...it's not working for you...but it is really entertaining.
You said 'muricans don't like being told what to do by their government, right?
Those were YOUR words, correct?
The law mandating that every passenger in a vehicle that is equipped with seat belts must wear a seat belt is NOT the "government telling 'muricans what to do"?
The laws mandating disclosure of information for tax or mortgage application purposes is NOT the "government telling 'muricans' what to do"?

Poor boobs... you are losing on so many fronts that you are exhausting yourself.
You are suffering from loser-fatigue.
My original recommendation stands: go take a nap.
 

Boober69

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Laws vs recommendations. You are clutching at straws and lost this argument several posts ago trying desperately to use semantics and twist words.

But like I said, it's entertaining watching you dance after an epic failure.
 

Boober69

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Why do you insist on going back to January and what he might have done and what might have happened. he has done fuck all other than belittle scientists and people who wear masks and encourage non-distanced rally's and business to open and continually lied about the positivity rates and encourages his acolyte governors to ignore science and open up etc for 8 months and over 160K people are dead. I have not heard anyone let China off the hook but your fearless leader is directly responsible for thousands of Americans dieing because he did nothing in 8 months.

And it is not hindsight. Scientists have been begging him to do something for 8 months. Open your eyes to objective facts and pull your head of of the stable genius' ass.

How many lives could have been saved if China didn't lie?
How many lives could have been saved if Trump wasn't accused of xenophobia when proposing the China travel ban?

The US has been conducting more testing than anyone else. Several European countries have had more deaths per million than the US (US is #10, Canada is #25).
US is in the top 20 for tests per million. (Canada is #36)
US is #1 for most tests conducted. (Canada is #14)

Tell me how the US is not doing fuck all and why you think Canada has done better considering the scale of population and density.
 

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"You're a racist and rapist!" - Kamala to Joe Biden

"You're hired!" - Biden to Kamala

"Job accepted. Kisses" - Kamala to Biden
 

apoptygma

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Laws vs recommendations. You are clutching at straws and lost this argument several posts ago trying desperately to use semantics and twist words.

But like I said, it's entertaining watching you dance after an epic failure.
Why don't you answer my questions boobsie?
I will repost them for your convenience:
The law mandating that every passenger in a vehicle that is equipped with seat belts must wear a seat belt is NOT the "government telling 'muricans what to do"?
The laws mandating disclosure of information for tax or mortgage application purposes is NOT the "government telling 'muricans' what to do"?

I will make it very simple for you (probably not simple enough though)... are these laws the government telling 'muricans what do to or not?
It is a VERRRRY simple question with a binary answer. Yes or no boobsies.
I even suggest that you take a nap before you answer, you know, so that you are at your "intellectual best", whatever that is.
 

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How many lives could have been saved if China didn't lie?
How many lives could have been saved if Trump wasn't accused of xenophobia when proposing the China travel ban?

The US has been conducting more testing than anyone else. Several European countries have had more deaths per million than the US (US is #10, Canada is #25).
US is in the top 20 for tests per million. (Canada is #36)
US is #1 for most tests conducted. (Canada is #14)

Tell me how the US is not doing fuck all and why you think Canada has done better considering the scale of population and density.
It would have made no difference, the virus would have spread anyways by the time anyone, including the Chinese, figured out what it was and how it spread.
Zero lives would have been saved since Trump is a xenophobe regardless and his ban on travel from China was too late and not a full ban and ignored the virus coming in from europe.

The US is not at the top of the class for tests per million population.
Its true that some countries have more deaths/million pop but that's hardly a compliment to US actions.
The US is in the top 10 for cases/million population and deaths/million, that's more key than tests.

The US is doing fuck all and Trump has made the US, which is 4% of the world's population take on 25% of the world's cases.

Do you honestly think the US is doing a better job than Canada?
 

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How many lives could have been saved if China didn't lie?
How many lives could have been saved if Trump wasn't accused of xenophobia when proposing the China travel ban?

The US has been conducting more testing than anyone else. Several European countries have had more deaths per million than the US (US is #10, Canada is #25).
US is in the top 20 for tests per million. (Canada is #36)
US is #1 for most tests conducted. (Canada is #14)

Tell me how the US is not doing fuck all and why you think Canada has done better considering the scale of population and density.
Do you really think that because I cannot quantify something that the effect is not there. There is no doubt that had China been more forthcoming earlier on lives would have been save. here is also no doubt that had your fearless leader listened to scientists and treated this for the pandemic it is earlier on lived would have been save. Can I tell you how many? No. Is there any doubt that both of these things are true? No.

The US is not conducting more testing per capita. Are you now bragging that the US is in the top 20? Wow that is quite an accomplishment for the greatest country in the world.

What Canada is or is not doing does not effect what the US is or is not doing. Look at the relative positivity and mortality rates.


Why not take your head out of the chosen one's ass and stop clinging to idiotic positions which simply make you look like an idiot.
 

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Do you really think that because I cannot quantify something that the effect is not there. There is no doubt that had China been more forthcoming earlier on lives would have been save. here is also no doubt that had your fearless leader listened to scientists and treated this for the pandemic it is earlier on lived would have been save. Can I tell you how many? No. Is there any doubt that both of these things are true? No.

The US is not conducting more testing per capita. Are you now bragging that the US is in the top 20? Wow that is quite an accomplishment for the greatest country in the world.

What Canada is or is not doing does not effect what the US is or is not doing. Look at the relative positivity and mortality rates.


Why not take your head out of the chosen one's ass and stop clinging to idiotic positions which simply make you look like an idiot.

If China had been more forthcoming earlier, then people wouldn't have called Trump xenophobic when he tried to restrict travel. Do you see the relationship here?
You can't quantify things but you can quantify your judgement after the fact like a Monday morning armchair quarterback? Interesting.

Maybe check the stats and then argue rather thantalki ng out of your ass? Would that work? https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries

You keep saying that if he only listened to scientists but can't explain what different effect that would have had exactly? You cling to headlines.
 

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If China had been more forthcoming earlier, then people wouldn't have called Trump xenophobic when he tried to restrict travel. Do you see the relationship here?
You can't quantify things but you can quantify your judgement after the fact like a Monday morning armchair quarterback? Interesting.

Maybe check the stats and then argue rather thantalki ng out of your ass? Would that work? https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries

You keep saying that if he only listened to scientists but can't explain what different effect that would have had exactly? You cling to headlines.
You are an idiot. Reason like dictionaries could be your friend. Instead you rely upon non-sequiturs and a complete lack of reason or logic.

You can reply about how you have won. Congratulations. If I ever see a return to this world on your part I may reply to your posts. In the meantime it will be much easier for you to simply take the word and accept the reality of your fearless leader.
 

Boober69

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You are an idiot. Reason like dictionaries could be your friend. Instead you rely upon non-sequiturs and a complete lack of reason or logic.

You can reply about how you have won. Congratulations. If I ever see a return to this world on your part I may reply to your posts. In the meantime it will be much easier for you to simply take the word and accept the reality of your fearless leader.
ahhhh right on queue...when losing an argument, start name calling.

You lost.

Move on.
 

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I'll take Justin over ass hat Harper any day of the week. We would probably be a shit show like the US if the Harperites were in charge during the pandemic.
You sell yourselves short. There have been 200 or fewer cases Ontario wide for the last several days. The US in contrast sees numbers continue to climb. New York State is doing a lot better after New York City was brought under control. Gov. Andrew Cuomo, sometimes called a pinko socialist, Has been hard on both gatherings and re-openings, seems like more than Doug Ford, even. Our gov. is currently being sued by seven "businessmen" including a couple of strip owners and 3 or 4 bar owners, a bowling alley and something I forget over having to close. Good, upstanding Americans all, and with the support of all the El Rushblow wannabes on the radio.
 

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You are an idiot. Reason like dictionaries could be your friend. Instead you rely upon non-sequiturs and a complete lack of reason or logic.

You can reply about how you have won. Congratulations. If I ever see a return to this world on your part I may reply to your posts. In the meantime it will be much easier for you to simply take the word and accept the reality of your fearless leader.
Not worth the waste of, ah, keystrokes. Stop feeding the troll and he might find another board somewhere. Ignore list can be your friend...
 

y2kmark

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Obama had avian flu to deal with and he did masterfully.
Sars was handled.
AIDS was dealt with.

Trump gave America's 4% of the world's population 25% of its cases by pretending the virus wasn't a risk, would go away, didn't need federal organization or federal aid.

Trudeau and even Ford handled the virus so much better. Even India and Brazil, the next two worse countries, are dealing better than Trump and the US.
So much failure you defend.
Doesn't a conversation with this guy seem like whack-a-mole after a while?
 
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Frankfooter

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If China had been more forthcoming earlier, then people wouldn't have called Trump xenophobic when he tried to restrict travel.
No, if Trump wasn't a fool on racist people wouldn't look at everything he does with those lenses.
1 Trump is a racist
2 HIs ban on China travel was partial, late, ignored EU travel and minimized to protect his trade deal with China.

And now the US leads the world in people killed by a preventable virus.
 

Boober69

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No, if Trump wasn't a fool on racist people wouldn't look at everything he does with those lenses.
1 Trump is a racist
2 HIs ban on China travel was partial, late, ignored EU travel and minimized to protect his trade deal with China.

And now the US leads the world in people killed by a preventable virus.
I guess people's beliefs about Trump backfired on them then. Boo hoo next time listen to what your President tells you.
 
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