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Sweden says its coronavirus approach has worked. The numbers show a different story

TeeJay

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Yup, looks down to me!

https://ourworldindata.org/coronavi...#what-is-the-total-number-of-confirmed-deaths

Let me try again without Teejay's biased glasses on.

WOOP, I was wrong.
You are so silly or trolling I still am not sure which

The TOTAL death count can never decrease (unless you beleive in Christianity and rising after death)

You need to look at the DAILY death (and daily case) numbers
(which I actually posted and you replied to so I know you can see even if comprehension eludes you)


Day 1 - 10 death
Day 2 - 15 death

On your chart it shows always increase (obviously) but on the chart that matters it shows day 2 had half the new deaths that day 1 did
 

squeezer

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When even the architect of the Swedish strategy admits he was wrong, I also have to admit I was completely wrong in supporting their approach. Even so late in the day, Sweden today reported horrendous 2200 new cases and 74 deaths. Unconscionable. My apologies to all those who called out the Swedish strategy from the very beginning.
Imagine the disaster the US is facing over the next few months with all the protests, church openings etc. How Canada is ever going to be able to reopen the border for leisure and business travel is anyone's guess.
 

Malibuk

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When even the architect of the Swedish strategy admits he was wrong
"There is quite obviously a potential for improvement in what we have done."
"If we were to encounter the same disease again, knowing exactly what we know about it today, I think we would settle on doing something in between what Sweden did and what the rest of the world has done."
However, he was unclear what Sweden should have done differently and at a press conference later on Wednesday later he underlined that "we basically still think that is the right strategy for Sweden
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Last week, the country's former state epidemiologist, Annika Linde, said that in retrospect she believes an early lockdown could have saved lives while political pressure has forced the government to bring forward an investigation into the handling of the crisis.

The moves recommended by Tegnell have made Sweden a bit of a local pariah and didn't spare the Swedish economy. More than 76,000 people have been made redundant since the outbreak began and unemployment, which now stands at 7.9%, is expected to climb higher.
 

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You want to bury your head in the sand? How was it the right strategy if it wont be repeated if confronted with same disease again???
You claimed he admits being wrong.
It does not look like that is what he said.

A lot of countries need to do some things better next time.
 

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Dr Tegnell, who is Sweden's state epidemiologist and in charge of the country's response to Covid-19, told BBC News in April that the high death toll was mainly because homes for the elderly had been unable to keep the disease out, although he emphasised that "does not disqualify our strategy as a whole"
They did the right thing. They should have shielded the elderly living in long term care homes. We should have too. That was a strategy mentioned here repeatedly months ago.

Aside from that Sweden has been a success.

More infections early, less to worry about later.
 

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Based on video footage of protesters in Toronto, they really like to get back home for another two months.
 

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What's amazing that in Sweden no one wears a mask. I mean no one, not even the workers in the nursing homes, or the residents thsemelves. Unbelievable. I thought Sweden was a highly developed and educated nation
 

doggystyle99

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Incorrect once again. Once again the article is taking words out on purpose to fit a narrative of lockdowns are not needed.
The article you link purposely left out the important parts of what FHI Director Camilla Stoltenberg said.

Here are the important parts the article left out.
In an interview with NRK, she says this about the academic basis for closing schools and kindergartens, among other things.

"It does not mean that we do not stand by the advice we gave then, given the knowledge base we had at the time. Our assessment now, and I find that there is a broad consensus in connection with the reopening, was that one could achieve perhaps the same effect and avoid some of the unfortunate effects of the ring by not closing, but by keeping open with infection control measures."

Her response is directed for the Academic foundation of closing schools, and even with that she is using words "could", "perhaps", and "with infection control measures" it certainly is not a definite the same would be achieved from not locking down schools.

BTW what happened to the herd immunity of Sweden that the chief epidemiologist was predicting would happen by the end of May, and many others including you were spouting on here would be achieved way before other countries opened their economies?
Even with their own government's research they are at roughly 7% way below the 26% predicted in April and way below the earlier prediction of 33% and 40%.
 

doggystyle99

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well it seems the Swedish are now recognizing their approach was not the right one

Coronavirus: Sweden's Tegnell admits too many died

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-52903717
When even the architect of the Swedish strategy admits he was wrong, I also have to admit I was completely wrong in supporting their approach. Even so late in the day, Sweden today reported horrendous 2200 new cases and 74 deaths. Unconscionable. My apologies to all those who called out the Swedish strategy from the very beginning.
The chief epidemiologist of Sweden Anders Tegnell has been lying all along to the Swedish people and the world as they didn't want to get criticized for the wrong actions they've taken that has led to thousands of unnecessary deaths in Sweden.

https://www.npr.org/2020/05/25/8619...ity-in-may-sweden-s-chief-epidemiologist-says

This guy had predicted 40% to begin with, then changed to 33% which that report was redacted the following day and another very optimistic prediction of 26% her immunity would happen by the end of last month. Now his own research finding show only 7.3% of the population have antibodies which is far below the lowest prediction of 26% yet he says they are only off by a couple of percentages.

It was predicted early on by health professionals around the world that the Swedish approach was not a good one, would lead to unnecessary deaths, and possibly without the potential outcome the Swedish government has optimistically hoped for. There is no magic potion in the fight against the Coronavirus.

More than 2300 Swedish scientists have demanded strict regulations in the fight against the Coronavirus.

https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-sweden-lockdown-scientists-restrictions-2020-4
 

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What's amazing that in Sweden no one wears a mask. I mean no one, not even the workers in the nursing homes, or the residents thsemelves. Unbelievable. I thought Sweden was a highly developed and educated nation
They are highly educated and they are highly obedient to their governments. I really can't understand what the Swedish government was thinking of achieving because every information that is coming out from the government is either in contrast to the data and facts or is simply contradictory to earlier information the Swedish government itself had put out.

I also can't believe that it took the oppostion party leader this long to start questioning the governments approach which has led to thousands of unnecessary deaths in Sweden.

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/06/11/sweden-coronavirus-312838

Now the Swedish governments finance minister Magdalena Andersson is trying to claim the strategy they took was never about shielding the economy, which once again is contradictory to what the government stated early on in the fight against the Coronavirus. It's only a ploy to try to save face and say we were thinkng of the health behind our approach and attempt to avoid blame.

Speaking in an interview in Stockholm, Finance Minister Magdalena Andersson said, “We haven’t taken economic considerations when we have decided on the Swedish strategy.
A poll last week showed that Swedes’ confidence in their government’s handling of the crisis has plunged by almost 20 percentage points to less than half the population.
Key members of the opposition in parliament have started demanding consequences, and accused Lofven of mishandling the situation."

The full article
https://www.bnnbloomberg.ca/sweden-...s-never-about-shielding-the-economy-1.1447675
 

G.D. Gentleman

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Incorrect once again. Once again the article is taking words out on purpose to fit a narrative of lockdowns are not needed.
The article you link purposely left out the important parts of what FHI Director Camilla Stoltenberg said.

Here are the important parts the article left out.
In an interview with NRK, she says this about the academic basis for closing schools and kindergartens, among other things.

"It does not mean that we do not stand by the advice we gave then, given the knowledge base we had at the time. Our assessment now, and I find that there is a broad consensus in connection with the reopening, was that one could achieve perhaps the same effect and avoid some of the unfortunate effects of the ring by not closing, but by keeping open with infection control measures."

Her response is directed for the Academic foundation of closing schools, and even with that she is using words "could", "perhaps", and "with infection control measures" it certainly is not a definite the same would be achieved from not locking down schools.

BTW what happened to the herd immunity of Sweden that the chief epidemiologist was predicting would happen by the end of May, and many others including you were spouting on here would be achieved way before other countries opened their economies?
Even with their own government's research they are at roughly 7% way below the 26% predicted in April and way below the earlier prediction of 33% and 40%.
1 - I simply posted the title of the second link (word for word) in the text of my message, adding these links to this thread for others to read for themselves. I gave no opinion, no need to attack my post and claim 'Incorrect once again'.

2 - I never was one of the supporters of Sweden pursuing herd immunity. For that, you are incorrect.
 

doggystyle99

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1 - I simply posted the title of the second link (word for word) in the text of my message, adding these links to this thread for others to read for themselves. I gave no opinion, no need to attack my post and claim 'Incorrect once again'.

2 - I never was one of the supporters of Sweden pursuing herd immunity. For that, you are incorrect.
It's simply correcting the misinformation and false facts of the article you provide, you only see it as an attack on your post because you don't like to be corrected with the facts or admit that the articles you provided were misleading or false.
This is not the first time you've taken a correction of misleading information you provided as an attack on you or too personal.

You provided to 2 different links to this story one was less biased because it included the word "could" but left out all the other important parts of her interview, but unfortunately once again you took the title from the most sensationalized, most biased and misleading article without verifying it and even expanded your agreement on the article in another thread.

https://terb.cc/vbulletin/showthrea...h-chief-lockdown-was-not-needed-to-tame-Covid

You post these unverified, misleading, or simply false links and videos in multiple threads spread it as it's your opinion over and over, and even expanding on your agreement with the articles, then when the articles get shown for what they are which is misleading or providing false information to fit the narrative they are spinning, then you play the innocence card and claim it's only for people to read and it wasn't your opinion. Or you start insulting those who showed your posts for being misleading.

This case is no different either you posted this link in numerous threads and even expanded on your agreement with the article in the other thread you started.
Here is your own opinion from the other thread. And I quote
"A really key note here is the report/findings are based on observed data rather assumptions and models.

This is the first article I have seen what I suspect many more to come I'm sure of 'what we have learned we look back' - and we can only hope as we learn more (country by country) we can make better decisions -both government and citizens - as time goes on."

You even tried Trolling me directly 3 times into that thread with direct insults based on your false and misleading information links which is just a normal way of posting by you. Even trying to create a concerted effort against my posts which itself is even more trolling and quite entertaining.

https://terb.cc/vbulletin/showthrea...o-tame-Covid&p=6707950&viewfull=1#post6707950
"good luck ever getting that simple concept through DS99's thick skull."
"As we have all seen, DS99 will spew and spew that because Denamark, Norway and Sweden are 'similar', painting a picture they should be almost 'identical when experiencing this virus', that somehow that means they would experience the same results from the same government actions.
"DS99, this is just the first of many for sure"

And the answer is yes Denmark, Norway, Finland and Sweden would see almost identical results from the same government actions, they share so many similaraties in all aspects of their respective society, it's no coincidence they are all called Nordic people. Take a look at Denmark, Norway and Finland's results in the fight against the Coronavirus, they are very similar from almost identical action in identical timelines. Denmark is slightly different and there is a reason for it. And I've explained it before.
 

G.D. Gentleman

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It's simply correcting the misinformation and false facts of the article you provide, you only see it as an attack on your post because you don't like to be corrected with the facts or admit that the articles you provided were misleading or false.
This is not the first time you've taken a correction of misleading information you provided as an attack on you or too personal.

You provided to 2 different links to this story one was less biased because it included the word "could" but left out all the other important parts of her interview, but unfortunately once again you took the title from the most sensationalized, most biased and misleading article without verifying it and even expanded your agreement on the article in another thread.

https://terb.cc/vbulletin/showthrea...h-chief-lockdown-was-not-needed-to-tame-Covid

You post these unverified, misleading, or simply false links and videos in multiple threads spread it as it's your opinion over and over, and even expanding on your agreement with the articles, then when the articles get shown for what they are which is misleading or providing false information to fit the narrative they are spinning, then you play the innocence card and claim it's only for people to read and it wasn't your opinion. Or you start insulting those who showed your posts for being misleading.

This case is no different either you posted this link in numerous threads and even expanded on your agreement with the article in the other thread you started.
Here is your own opinion from the other thread. And I quote
"A really key note here is the report/findings are based on observed data rather assumptions and models.

This is the first article I have seen what I suspect many more to come I'm sure of 'what we have learned we look back' - and we can only hope as we learn more (country by country) we can make better decisions -both government and citizens - as time goes on."

You even tried Trolling me directly 3 times into that thread with direct insults based on your false and misleading information links which is just a normal way of posting by you. Even trying to create a concerted effort against my posts which itself is even more trolling and quite entertaining.

https://terb.cc/vbulletin/showthrea...o-tame-Covid&p=6707950&viewfull=1#post6707950
"good luck ever getting that simple concept through DS99's thick skull."
"As we have all seen, DS99 will spew and spew that because Denamark, Norway and Sweden are 'similar', painting a picture they should be almost 'identical when experiencing this virus', that somehow that means they would experience the same results from the same government actions.
"DS99, this is just the first of many for sure"

And the answer is yes Denmark, Norway, Finland and Sweden would see almost identical results from the same government actions, they share so many similaraties in all aspects of their respective society, it's no coincidence they are all called Nordic people. Take a look at Denmark, Norway and Finland's results in the fight against the Coronavirus, they are very similar from almost identical action in identical timelines. Denmark is slightly different and there is a reason for it. And I've explained it before.
You really overthink this shit so much DS99.

I simply took the title from the first article I found. That's all.

Your opinion is it's wrong/false information. I'll wait to see who else agrees with you as clearly seen in many threads you put out your narrative and yet there is little agreement with you rather multiple members argue with you. But do carry on.

You bold and large font my statement of 'what we learned when we look back' - and that we will - in time, when we get to that point, we can properly look back. Still too early to truly understand all that has happened, what we did right and what we did wrong - but carry on as the world expert on what is right or wrong to do, posting here on an escort review board.
 
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