CERB Abuse

Malibuk

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Trudeau making it even easier for more people to defraud CERB and throw away more of our money.

No need to show proof of work permit to get CERB, Ottawa tells temporary foreign residents
A memo sent to officials handling CERB applications said that condition is waived 'effective immediately' and agents 'are only required to verbally obtain work permit details'
The federal government has taken new steps to make it easier for international students and other temporary foreign residents to receive emergency benefits, another sign of Ottawa’s determination to disburse the payments quickly and widely.
Such short-term immigrants need only give their word they have a valid work permit or have applied for a renewed one to obtain the Canada Emergency Response Benefit (CERB), says a memo sent this week to staff vetting the claims.
Until last Thursday, they had to email Employment and Social Development Canada an image of their valid work or work/study permit, or confirmation they had applied to renew an expired one.
But a memo sent to Employment and Social Development Canada officials handling CERB applications said that condition is waived “effective immediately” and agents “are only required to verbally obtain work permit details.”
The directive applies to everyone who claims to meet the programs other requirements and has a “900-series” social insurance number — people ranging from students to refugee claimants to temporary foreign workers and executives transferred from other countries. None are Canadian citizens or permanent residents.
One source familiar with the system said people with valid permits would typically email proof within a few minutes, barely slowing the process. But now there is no way for staff to verify whether someone is in the country legally, the person said.
And if an applicant does receive the $2,000-a-month payments inappropriately and then leaves Canada, it would be virtually impossible to recover the money, said the source, who’s not authorized to discuss internal matters and asked not to be named.
There is a big, big opening for fraud left, right and centre.”
Sergio Karas, a Toronto immigration lawyer, condemned the latest change, saying it means even an individual who is facing a deportation order or who had already left the country could now obtain CERB.
“It’s truly astonishing,” he said. “The person could potentially be overseas if the payment is going to a Canadian bank account. That is extremely troubling.”
That money is not free,” he added. “That money is going to have to come out of someone’s pocket at some point. It is going to be the taxpayers of Canada, citizens or not.”
 

Smallcock

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I read that some employers are finding it difficult to hire or re-hire workers because of CERB.
 

Malibuk

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They already know about a couple of hundred thousand who are receiving double CERB payments, probably by applying through the CRA and Service Canada.
There are likely hundreds of thousands more who do not qualify but were automatically approved.
CRA employees were ordered to turn a blind eye to the fraud, unless the payment was going to a dead person.
Getting the stolen money back will cost a lot of money and you can`t get blood from a stone.
 

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Are we real supposed to feel bad after Trumoron and his clown car misfits keep handing billions of our dollars away to banana republics or for causes that the majority of Canadian do not support?

Fuck this idiot. Take what’s yours.
 

Malibuk

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This week is the last CERB payment for over 5 million Canadians, and the rest will be done soon.
The government is currently negotiating a bill to extend CERB.
The NDP wants CERB to be indefinite and universal for everybody.
The Conservatives want to see some sort of exit strategy and tougher measures and penalties for fraud.
The Liberal are conceding that their initial response, while necessary, is unsustainable.

https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/cer...fines-or-jail-time-draft-bill-shows-1.4974953

https://nationalpost.com/opinion/jo...it-strategy-from-cerb-through-new-legislation
 

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This week is the last CERB payment for over 5 million Canadians, and the rest will be done soon.
The government is currently negotiating a bill to extend CERB.
The NDP wants CERB to be indefinite and universal for everybody.
The Conservatives want to see some sort of exit strategy and tougher measures and penalties for fraud.
The Liberal are conceding that their initial response, while necessary, is unsustainable.

https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/cer...fines-or-jail-time-draft-bill-shows-1.4974953

https://nationalpost.com/opinion/jo...it-strategy-from-cerb-through-new-legislation
Despite I am a hardcore conservative, I am with NDP on this now. A universal taxable $2K/month income to ALL legal residents is a way to go. It provides substance to poor and unemployed, eliminates frauds, and reduces the processing costs by a lot. To make sure people do not blow it right away, weekly checks/transfers would be the way to go.
 

bebe

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Despite I am a hardcore conservative, I am with NDP on this now. A universal taxable $2K/month income to ALL legal residents is a way to go. It provides substance to poor and unemployed, eliminates frauds, and reduces the processing costs by a lot. To make sure people do not blow it right away, weekly checks/transfers would be the way to go.
Eliminates fraud? Hog wash, CERB fraud is high.

Latest headline from CTV: CERB fraudsters could face fines or jail time, draft bill shows

No point being universal either. For those who’s income was not impacted they don’t need the government hand out. In the end it would cost the tax payers even more money
 

Malibuk

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Looks like Trudeau is going after the Conservative`s support instead of the NDP.


Canadians who made fraudulent claims for the coronavirus emergency benefit could face a fine of up to $5,000, a penalty double what they received in improper benefits and jail time.
Those who refuse to go back to work could also face financial penalties.
That's according to a draft version of legislation expected to be tabled by the federal government on Wednesday, and which aims to fill in some of the gaps in the existing rules.
Making a false or misleading claim, failing to declare all income, knowingly receiving an income benefit that a person isn't eligible for, non-disclosure of facts or facilitating omission of any facts are all listed as offences under that legislation.
Committing any of them will land a person a fine of up to $5,000 "plus an amount of not more than double the amount of the income support payment that was or would have been paid as a result of committing the offence."
They could also get hit with the fine of up to $5,000 plus up to six months in jail.
Continuing to collect the benefit while refusing to work will also result in penalties.
The legislation says individuals in that category include those who "fail to return to work when it is reasonable to do so and the employer makes a request for their return; fail to resume self-employment when it is reasonable to do so; or decline a reasonable job offer when they are able to work."
Doing so could result in a retroactive fine of up to triple the amount improperly claimed once the individual was able to return to work.
Since the Liberals hold a minority government, they will need the support of one other party to pass the legislation.
 

doggystyle99

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Are we real supposed to feel bad after Trumoron and his clown car misfits keep handing billions of our dollars away to banana republics or for causes that the majority of Canadian do not support?

Fuck this idiot. Take what’s yours.
I certainly support the aide benefit and the very high majority of Canadians support the aide benefit (CEBA, CEWS, CERB) that Trudeau provided to Canadians in response to the shutdown of the economy due to the Coronavirus. Majority of the countries around the world provided aide benefits in response to the Coronavirus, it's the only way to stop their respective economies from crashing and even with that they can only limit the drop and not avoid it all together.

Even countries that didn't have shutdowns of their economy or quarantines such as Sweden, and Taiwan provided aide benefits in response to the Coronavirus because they understand that they have to make sure their economies would not crash.
 

Malibuk

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Jagmeet wants a 4 months CERB extension and says there is no chance he will support more penalties for fraud.

Conservatives say they will not fast track any new bill, and they want to see an exit strategy and punishment for fraudsters.

Tomorrow will be an interesting day as bill C-13 is tabled.
I would think that Trudeau has already made a deal with the Conservatives.
 

bebe

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Jagmeet wants a 4 months CERB extension and says there is no chance he will support more penalties for fraud.

Conservatives say they will not fast track any new bill, and they want to see an exit strategy and punishment for fraudsters.

Tomorrow will be an interesting day as bill C-13 is tabled.
I would think that Trudeau has already made a deal with the Conservatives.
If they fail to make a deal, could the Conservatives bring down the Government and force us to an election, like when a minority Government cannot pass the budget?

The NDP can take the 4 month extension and .... the sun don't shine.
 

Malibuk

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If they fail to make a deal, could the Conservatives bring down the Government and force us to an election, like when a minority Government cannot pass the budget?

The NDP can take the 4 month extension and .... the sun don't shine.
I don`t think this should trigger an election.
Can`t it just mean the end of CERB?
Is it deal or election?

I think they should clean up the fraud, transition people to the wage subsidy and EI, and the rest should get a reduced CERB that is in line with the minimum EI rate, for a few more months, and then welfare.
 

Malibuk

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I didn`t realize that the Liberals need unanimous support in order to fast track the bill.
Obviously this was doomed to fail.


Liberals fail to win support for latest CERB bill on fraud fines, jail time
Opposition parties have blocked a government attempt to debate and speed up the process of voting on a bill to adjust the Canada Emergency Response Benefit (CERB).
The Conservatives, Bloc Quebecois, NDP and Greens all denied unanimous consent to a motion asking the House of Commons to debate and vote on the bill under the accelerated time frame that has been used for the last four coronavirus emergency support bills.
The bill is now effectively frozen at first reading with no clear path forward.
The House of Commons is not scheduled to meet again until June 17 and there are already several other items scheduled for discussion at that time.
While the minority Liberals need the support of only one party to pass the legislation, they need unanimous consent from all parties to achieve the first step of actually being able to debate the bill in the House of Commons on the accelerated timeline being used for pandemic-related bills.
 

G.D. Gentleman

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If they fail to make a deal, could the Conservatives bring down the Government and force us to an election, like when a minority Government cannot pass the budget?

The NDP can take the 4 month extension and .... the sun don't shine.
This wouldn't be the 'reason' to call an election but - could be a building block for sure in building the case that the current minority government is unable to meet the needs of the country. Enough failures like this collectively (don't know the exact metrics for this) is how a minority government can lead to a forced election to occur, is my understanding.
 

Malibuk

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CERB benefits contributing to spike in overdoses, outreach workers warn
People who work with those struggling with drug addictions are warning that the Canada emergency response benefit program (CERB) — Ottawa's primary support for households left without income due to the pandemic — is helping to fuel illicit drug use and may even have contributed to overdose deaths.
Many outreach workers also say the CERB benefit is putting too much temptation in the way of struggling addicts by providing sudden infusions of cash with few questions asked.
While the CERB program was well intentioned, its ease of access is putting the addicted at risk.
"I've been in this field many years and I've never seen the amount of money on the streets that I've seen in the past number of months," he said.
Word that CERB money was easy to get "spread, as you can imagine, like wildfire through a population that is severely addicted," said Hughes.
Federal Employment Minister Carla Qualtrough said the question of CERB contributing to overdoses is on her radar.
"I've been aware of this absolutely for some time," she said.
She suggested, however, that she's not interested in making changes to the way CERB is handed out.
 

Malibuk

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CERB is done, no more extensions.
Those who qualify for EI will go on EI.
Those who don`t qualify will go on a new program that pays no more than EI.
 
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Darts

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Jagmeet Singh said it's ok to cheat CERB if you need the money.
 

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I read that some employers are finding it difficult to hire or re-hire workers because of CERB.
This has been a problem for me. I just had to cancel my hobby plans for August because work is now overloaded and I am short staffed. I am hoping that in September the absent ones come back, but who knows.

And honestly, I don’t know if I want them back with that attitude.
 
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