Buffalo Police Shove An Elderly Man To Ground Unconscious And Bleeding

[Smallcock]

I don't see the problem, he went to a protest and approached riot police who were instructed to move people back. He was basically given a gentle push backwards and had zero strength to withstand the push. If you attend protests and approach riot police, shit happens, whatever your age. In my opinion they pushed him according to what they thought was enough to push him back.

Exactly... but when emotions run high, grown men start acting like preschool girls, and can't accept this. They need to point the finger and condemn and pile on police.

While these people are loud on TERB and in the media they're in the minority. The Silent Majority doesn't condone any of this nonsense and fake outrage.

70 years old? Stay home.

 

[t.o.leafs.fan]

Tamir Rice was asked to comply?

lol

You're really going to have do some critical thinking and perhaps learn that this has very little to do with non-compliance, and more with cops not knowing anything about de-escalation. And we haven't touched upon them not being held accountable for their poor decisions. Just because the job is 'difficult' it doesn't mean they get to do whatever they want. Doctors shouldn't be held accountable when they cross the line, even though they save lives?

OK. I'll play the 'let's pretend that a criminal's non-compliance doesn't lead to an escalation in an arrest' game. Good times.

 

[Smallcock]

Most Cops are honorable, there are a few idiots.

Entire Buffalo Police Unit Resigns Following Suspension Of 2 Officers Who Shoved Elderly Protester to Ground

An entire unit of the Buffalo Police Department have resigned from their posts after two of their fellow police officers were suspended without pay.

All 57 officers were members of the Buffalo Police Department Emergency Response Team. The two members on suspension were captured on video Thursday in an altercation with a 75-year-old man, later identified as Martin Gugino, who was injured during a protest in front of Buffalo City Hall over the death of George Floyd, an unarmed black man who died in police custody on May 25 in Minneapolis.

The video of the two officers and Gugino went viral after it was shared to social media. In the footage, Gugino appears to be pushed by the officers and hits his head on the ground as a result. He sustained head injuries due to the encounter, and remained in a local hospital in stable but serious condition on Friday afternoon, Buffalo Mayor Byron Brown said.

However, Buffalo Police Benevolent Association President John Evans, said in a statement that the union supported the officers and that Gugino slipped and fell while interacting with the police and that they were just doing their job in clearing the area as the city approached a mandatory curfew.

"Our position is these officers were simply following orders from Deputy Police Commissioner Joseph Gramaglia to clear the square. It doesn't specify clear the square of men, 50 and under or 15 to 40. They were simply doing their job. I don't know how much contact was made. He did slip in my estimation. He fell backwards," Evans said.

Speaking to reporters on Friday, Erie County Executive Marc Poloncarz said he was "exceptionally disappointed" if the members resigned from the unit "because it indicates to me that they did not see anything wrong with the actions last night."

New York Governor Andrew Cuomo, who spoke about the incident during his daily COVID-19 press briefing Friday, expressed his shock and said he was sickened by the video.
"You see that video and it disturbs your basic sense of decency and humanity," Cuomo said, while also calling for legislation on sweeping police reform in New York, and a criminal investigation into the actions of the two suspended officers.

Brown said on his Twitter account that he and Buffalo Police Commissioner Byron Lockwood had seen the news footage of the incident, and felt angered and sickened by the incident.

Lockwood launched the investigation which led to the two officers being suspended without pay. No charges have been filed, though the investigation is ongoing.

According to The Buffalo News, the Emergency Response Team members have not quit the police department but have stepped down from the tactical unit which assists with crowd control measures.

In response to the mass resignations from the team, Brown said in a statement that contingency plans are in place to ensure there is no interruption of police and emergency services within the Buffalo community with more protests expected this weekend.

Newsweek contacted Lockwood and Evans for additional comments and did not receive a response in time for publication.

https://www.newsweek.com/entire-buf...s-who-shoved-elderly-protester-ground-1509091

Good for them. When you see an injustice committed for political expediency, you show your support for your brothers.

This action demonstrates that these men have honor - what we want in police officers.

 

[Smallcock]

The officer who the man initially approached tried to check on him but was pulled by what appears to be his superior officer. Shortly thereafter he is being attended too. But you are correct the optics are wrong here all around.

After reviewing the video. I see that given the mans age and the fact that he was in the process of backing up coupled with the fact that he posed no imminent threat, there wasn't any need to shove him. He could have been escorted to the side.

lol you shouldn't give in to the radical TERB mob rule. They prey on any sign of weakness. Your first statement in the thread was the right one.

I consider you part of the Silent Majority now. Publicly go along with the vocal minority, but vote with what you actually believe is true.

That's why OrangeMan is in office.

 

[Smallcock]

What you're describing here has already happening and its intentional. Decent people need to start waking up to this and fight back on this 'progressive' insanity that is spreading. There is a serious movement to actually defund the police force in Minneapolis. Los Angeles just cut their police budget by $150 million. Other cities looking at doing the same thing.

I read this too. The people advocating this will be complaining a year from now when 911 response times are up and there is more crime because there are fewer cops available.

 

[mandrill]

I don't see the problem, he went to a protest and approached riot police who were instructed to move people back. He was basically given a gentle push backwards and had zero strength to withstand the push. If you attend protests and approach riot police, shit happens, whatever your age. In my opinion they pushed him according to what they thought was enough to push him back.

The point being that YOU DON'T EVER GIVE FRAIL OLD PEOPLE A "GENTLE PUSH BACKWARDS"!!!!!

WHY??!!??!!.... BECAUSE THEY'RE FRAIL OLD PEOPLE!

 

[mandrill]

Good for them. When you see an injustice committed for political expediency, you show your support for your brothers.

This action demonstrates that these men have honor - what we want in police officers.

What the normal people in this society called "The Brotherhood's Wall of Silence"! That's pretty much what you're saying, right?

Even when the cop in that other patrol car - who you always thought was an asshole with a bad temper - beats the shit out of a suspect in custody, you still stand by him and refuse to give a statement to Internal Complaints.

"Honour" = Good cops becoming bad cops to protect bad cops, and suspects dying and the deaths being covered up.

 

[mandrill]

Exactly... but when emotions run high, grown men start acting like preschool girls, and can't accept this. They need to point the finger and condemn and pile on police.

While these people are loud on TERB and in the media they're in the minority. The Silent Majority doesn't condone any of this nonsense and fake outrage.

70 years old? Stay home.

Majority? Minority?

Aren't the current polls showing overwhelming support for the protests???

(Cue Smally saying - "The polls are just another lie put out by the Coastal Liberal Elites. In fact, 99.9% of the people support Trump and the GOP - including 99.9% of dead black men murdered by the police"!)

 

[WyattEarp]

Majority? Minority?

Aren't the current polls showing overwhelming support for the protests???

The polls are also showing substantial support for the police. That's why polls are not always effective gauges of public sentiment especially "how do you feel about XXXX?" polls.

 

[Anbarandy]

They don't want to hear the truth. They know you're right, and that's why THEY would never become cops, but they will berate you, lie to you, and tell you that you're crazy for making a valid observation.

The good news is that all you're seeing in the news is liberal mass media points of view, not America's point of view. Most Americans are appalled and frightened by the lawlessness, chaos, and violence in their streets. They want law and order - and police protection from the hordes.

#MAGA

I think part of why this happened is because cops feel like they are under attack right now, and in fact they are. A few have been killed, a Vegas officer is fighting for his life after being shot in the head. Hundreds of NYC cops have been injured by thrown objects. Don't forget the cops that were run over in Buffalo by an SUV the other night.
Now in this video a man confronts cops who are pushing back crowds past curfew. We don't know what he said to them and it looks like he reaches for something out of the cops hand or belt. Perhaps the cop thought he was going for his gun? As a result the man is gently pushed, he stumbles backwards, loses his balance and bangs his head on some sidewalk fixture. It was an accident and I believe there was no ill intent on the cops behalf.

But of course the anti cop pro black lives matter liberal media will claim this is just another vicious abuse of authority. Yet at the same time lie and claim that these protests are 99% peaceful. Hundreds of injured and dead cops and civilians and looted out businesses seem to contradict that narrative. As such I can't blame the 57 Buffalo officers who have refused to do crowd control duty.

What did you want them to do with a guy not following orders and getting up in their face - buy him a coffee? Cops have been under attack for a few nights and many are working overtime. Hearing pundits, celebrities and politicians tell them they are racist abusive thugs isn't exactly good for the morale. Police chiefs and inspectors, following orders from incompetent progressive mayors, telling them to stand down while they get pelted with water, rocks, bricks, firecrackers. I'm willing to give them a little leeway.

Not only this, which I agree they will be motivated to do the bare minimum and just collect their pay. Many good cops will feel miserable being a cop. Some will succumb to depression. Their kids will be embarrassed during school to tell the class what their daddies do. The toxic attitudes towards all cops will eventually spread and take deep root. Cops will be ashamed of their job. Less and less people will want to actually be a cop. Most importantly response times will significantly drop and their funding will further be constrained and more innocent people will be victimized because the systematic undermining of the US police has been elevated to the next level.

What you're describing here has already happening and its intentional. Decent people need to start waking up to this and fight back on this 'progressive' insanity that is spreading. There is a serious movement to actually defund the police force in Minneapolis. Los Angeles just cut their police budget by $150 million. Other cities looking at doing the same thing.

Exactly... but when emotions run high, grown men start acting like preschool girls, and can't accept this. They need to point the finger and condemn and pile on police.

While these people are loud on TERB and in the media they're in the minority. The Silent Majority doesn't condone any of this nonsense and fake outrage.

70 years old? Stay home.

lol you shouldn't give in to the radical TERB mob rule. They prey on any sign of weakness. Your first statement in the thread was the right one.

I consider you part of the Silent Majority now. Publicly go along with the vocal minority, but vote with what you actually believe is true.

That's why OrangeMan is in office.

I read this too. The people advocating this will be complaining a year from now when 911 response times are up and there is more crime because there are fewer cops available.

Okay, so let me get this straight now because it seems you guyz are out of breath and gasping, pleading, imploring for the love of "mama" to be heard and well just to be able breathe, but ......

...... those BLM, those "uppity black people" and their "fake white" supporters, antifa, the anarchists, the radical leftists, the "looters", the "rioters", the left wing agitators have their collective knees upon the throats of the righteous, virtuous, peace loving officers of "law and order" and their "just, righteous and virtuous" sycophantic supporters who are now fearful that the staunch blue wall that signifies "all that is good and right about America, their beloved belief in the comfort of white privilege in mid 20th century America" may expire and that their white privilege that it has protected for centuries will be eroded forever?

 

[WyattEarp]

I think there is quite a bit of overdramatizing. I don't see the big push. I do see a large police tactical squad in riot gear. They likely gave people in the area ample warning that they were going to clear the square. They are not going to let someone stop the group to have a discussion (after curfew I guess). They don't look like friendly, neighborhood policing to me. They did call an EMT and resumed their job.

There are accidents all over the country. Riots and looting are not protests. Very unfortunate yes, but would you stand in front of and try to slowdown a police tactical unit?

 

[explorerzip]

I read this too. The people advocating this will be complaining a year from now when 911 response times are up and there is more crime because there are fewer cops available.

There isn't a clean linear relationship between crime rate and the police budget. A X% decrease in the budget does not result to a X% increase in crime. That scenario is certainly possible, but it depends on what we do with that money.

To answer these questions, we have to look at the crime rate vs police spending and many other societal issues over a period of time. We can't look at these issues in isolation and expect to make good decisions.

 

[Toke]

There isn't a clean linear relationship between crime rate and the police budget. A X% decrease in the budget does not result to a X% increase in crime. That scenario is certainly possible, but it depends on what we do with that money.

To answer these questions, we have to look at the crime rate vs police spending and many other societal issues over a period of time. We can't look at these issues in isolation and expect to make good decisions.

Hang on....

It's very easy to find out what 'indicators' are correlated to crime (especially violent). I'll give a hint; Scandinavia.

 

[mandrill]

I think there is quite a bit of overdramatizing. I don't see the big push. I do see a large police tactical squad in riot gear. They likely gave people in the area ample warning that they were going to clear the square. They are not going to let someone stop the group to have a discussion (after curfew I guess). They don't look like friendly, neighborhood policing to me. They did call an EMT and resumed their job.

There are accidents all over the country. Riots and looting are not protests. Very unfortunate yes, but would you stand in front of and try to slowdown a police tactical unit?

The two cops have now been charged w assault.

I guess the county DA didn't quite buy your apologia for the 2 cops and what they did.

 

[wazup]

The two cops have now been charged w assault.

I guess the county DA didn't quite buy your apologia for the 2 cops and what they did.

They'll quietly be acquitted a few months from now as they should be when all this is forgotten. The charges are just to appease the herd. Grandpa wanted trouble and he found it, stay at home.

 

[explorerzip]

I think there is quite a bit of overdramatizing. I don't see the big push. I do see a large police tactical squad in riot gear. They likely gave people in the area ample warning that they were going to clear the square. They are not going to let someone stop the group to have a discussion (after curfew I guess). They don't look like friendly, neighborhood policing to me. They did call an EMT and resumed their job.

There are accidents all over the country. Riots and looting are not protests. Very unfortunate yes, but would you stand in front of and try to slowdown a police tactical unit?

IMO, it makes no difference if he was old, young, big or little push, or who's fault for why he fell. The cop that pushed him just shook his head and walked away. No attempt to check on him, give first aid or call it in. The one cop that tried to check on him was pushed away by his colleague who then called it in. Even the cop that called it in just casually walked away and didn't check on the man. As far as I can tell, only the soldier in the beige uniform actually checks on him. Most of the other cops just walked by.

 

[explorerzip]

Hang on....

It's very easy to find out what 'indicators' are correlated to crime (especially violent). I'll give a hint; Scandinavia.

I'll give a hint: we're not talking about Scandinavia. Not as if it's a singular city or country that has similar demographic or economic issues.

 

[Anbarandy]

IMO, it makes no difference if he was old, young, big or little push, or who's fault for why he fell. The cop that pushed him just shook his head and walked away. No attempt to check on him, give first aid or call it in. The one cop that tried to check on him was pushed away by his colleague who then called it in. Even the cop that called it in just casually walked away and didn't check on the man. As far as I can tell, only the soldier in the beige uniform actually checks on him. Most of the other cops just walked by.

Even though "police medics" are embedded with the emergency response unit and we can clearly see that the cop in charge who also pushed one of the pushers away from attempting to attend to the poor old man, was most likely informing the "police medics" of the situation, that ERT member who was pushed away from attending the old person should have been allowed to stay with and attend to the old person till the "police medic" arrived.

 

[mandrill]

They'll quietly be acquitted a few months from now as they should be when all this is forgotten. The charges are just to appease the herd. Grandpa wanted trouble and he found it, stay at home.

Pretty clear that grandpa was so frail that he was physically unable to give anyone "trouble", even if he wished.

Someone else said he was just trying to hand a helmet back to the police.

In any event, if your culture says it's okay to make war on the old, weak and helpless, that's something the vast majority of people are going to reject and despise.

 

[The Oracle]

Next, he'll be citing this guy ...

The actual statement Carson made was ''. Anyone caught involved in voter fraud should be immediately deported and have his citizenship revoked. ''......