FBI investigating death of suspect after Minneapolis police officer put knee on neck

[mandrill]

Would you be "shocked" by the local Minneapolis paper reporting on the same news item?

https://www.startribune.com/attention-turns-more-to-the-role-of-out-of-state-rioters/570897402/


You're likely not aware of Minnesota's Presidential election voting record but let's just say it's been a long time since they voted Red

It doesn't really matter if 47% are extreme left antifa assholes with shaggy hair and black clothes and 53% alt right fuckheads w neat haircuts and black clothes or whether the proportions are reversed. They're all assholes.

The only difference is that the GOP now openly courts the Far Right and allies w it. So Fox News has to keep the neo Nazi PoS's out of its news feed and blame all the shit on the lefties!

 

[kherg007]

It doesn't really matter if 47% are extreme left antifa assholes with shaggy hair and black clothes and 53% alt right fuckheads w neat haircuts and black clothes or whether the proportions are reversed. They're all assholes.

The only difference is that the GOP now openly courts the Far Right and allies w it. So Fox News has to keep the neo Nazi PoS's out of its news feed and blame all the shit on the lefties!

True. Former FBI folks on TV were saying right and left provocateurs...and US AG Barr in his presentation only mentioned the left. The Gov of Minnesota said the provocative acts came mainly from the right. In many cities most of those arrested were white. It may be even more nefarious as the Gov of Minnesota said in his news conference yesterday said there was a coordinated denial of service cyberattack on all Minnesota state servers at the first days riot. This smells of Russians who fund anything chaotic.

 

[mandrill]

True. Former FBI folks on TV were saying right and left provocateurs...and US AG Barr in his presentation only mentioned the left. The Gov of Minnesota said the provocative acts came mainly from the right. In many cities most of those arrested were white. It may be even more nefarious as the Gov of Minnesota said in his news conference yesterday said there was a coordinated denial of service cyberattack on all Minnesota state servers at the first days riot. This smells of Russians who fund anything chaotic.

Not surprised Russians are in on this.

 

[danmand]

It doesn't really matter if 47% are extreme left antifa assholes with shaggy hair and black clothes and 53% alt right fuckheads w neat haircuts and black clothes or whether the proportions are reversed. They're all assholes.

The only difference is that the GOP now openly courts the Far Right and allies w it. So Fox News has to keep the neo Nazi PoS's out of its news feed and blame all the shit on the lefties!

True. Former FBI folks on TV were saying right and left provocateurs...and US AG Barr in his presentation only mentioned the left. The Gov of Minnesota said the provocative acts came mainly from the right. In many cities most of those arrested were white. It may be even more nefarious as the Gov of Minnesota said in his news conference yesterday said there was a coordinated denial of service cyberattack on all Minnesota state servers at the first days riot. This smells of Russians who fund anything chaotic.

Not surprised Russians are in on this.

Are you aware that you are morphing into pretzels trying to find reasons for the riots, promoting the usual agenda of outside provocateurs.

While nobody here likes riots, the simple fact is that nobody should be surprised of riots, when society has discarded tens of millions of poor people of colour.
They received no proper education, or parenting, or health care, are unemployed, with no prospects for employment. Their only choices are jail or the military.

Society decided to discard these young people instead of providing welfare, education and employment for them. USA's infrastructure is crumbling, why not employ them, like after the great depression, or educate them like after WWII?

A society reaps what it sows.

 

[mandrill]

Are you aware that you are morphing into pretzels trying to find reasons for the riots, promoting the usual agenda of outside provocateurs.

While nobody here likes riots, the simple fact is that nobody should be surprised of riots, when society has discarded tens of millions of poor people of colour.
They received no proper education, or parenting, or health care, are unemployed, with no prospects for employment. Their only choices are jail or the military.

Society decided to discard these young people instead of providing welfare, education and employment for them. USA's infrastructure is crumbling, why not employ them, like after the great depression, or educate them like after WWII?

A society reaps what it sows.

I think we're quite prepared to believe that the demos were legit. And that certain elements then joined in to take advantages of opportunities to loot. And the provocateurs then joined in to do their shit as well.

It was exactly the same in the French Revolution. And the Russian Revolution. And every other popular uprising. This is how shit happens in RL.

 

[Anbarandy]

Just stop resisting

I dont know what it is with blacks who think they can fight off the police who are armed, in a group, and always have law on their side (until a DA says otherwise they are god)

Guy should have gotten into back of car and not resisted


Good video of events here
*warning graphic / trigger etc

https://www.nytimes.com/video/us/100000007159353/george-floyd-arrest-death-video.html

Why is it almost always the case that when a black man is shot by police it is always during or shortly after breaking the law? Maybe consider the potential risks, and don't break the law if its been proven time after time that authorities can't be trusted.
Simple pattern recognition would greatly reduce the amount of deaths.

1. Donald J. Trump

2. Mike Pence

3. Bill Barr

4. Kellyanne Conway

5. Fucker Carlson

I think we got a coupla more here.

Corner of Terb and Black Lives Don't Matter.

Copy.

 

[WyattEarp]

It doesn't really matter if 47% are extreme left antifa assholes with shaggy hair and black clothes and 53% alt right fuckheads w neat haircuts and black clothes or whether the proportions are reversed. They're all assholes.

The only difference is that the GOP now openly courts the Far Right and allies w it. So Fox News has to keep the neo Nazi PoS's out of its news feed and blame all the shit on the lefties!

Don't be overly-dramatic. Neither party (and their respective allied networks) goes out of its way to alienate fringe elements. It's politically more effective to call out the goons on the other side.

Some of the CNBC and MSNBC reporters have trouble using the word looting.

 

[WyattEarp]

..... I mentioned in another thread, part of the problem with the U.S is it's not that hard to become a police officer, so out of this big pool of people they hire, naturally you'll have some that aren't the sharpest knives in the drawer thinking it's the wild west.

It's harder to be a cop in the U.S. than you think. The article below details 14,000 applicants for what appears to be about 970 spots. The cities now try to hire people with a certain temperament who can do their job while diffusing tense situations. I think the problem is you still have legacy cops who go for hiring the gung-ho, authoritative types. If you have a legacy sponsor, they can get your name to the top of the list.

https://www.dnainfo.com/chicago/201...icagoans-apply-for-police-force-officials-say

Someone here said the pay was bad. Besides the stability of employment, you can retire young. While they are a cop, they work side gigs like security. Some accumulate overtime pay. In fact, you will routinely see U.S. police unions fight hiring more cops for concern that it will reduce overtime pay.

 

[Darts]

Why is it almost always the case that when a black man is shot by police it is always during or shortly after breaking the law?

I think the left will argue that people only report crimes committed by blacks.

I vaguely remember blacks complaining that the reason why there is tension between blacks and Korean shopkeepers is because Koreans only catch black shoplifters.

Question: Would that Mexican restaurant have reported GF if he was white? The lefties who always play the race card will argue no.

 

[danmand]

I think the left will argue that people only report crimes committed by blacks.

I vaguely remember blacks complaining that the reason why there is tension between blacks and Korean shopkeepers is because Koreans only catch black shoplifters.

Question: Would that Mexican restaurant have reported GF if he was white? The lefties who always play the race card will argue no.

We all know that a white man being suspected of passing on a fake $20 bill would not be roughed up; Neither would a white man selling cigarettes on the street.

 

[Darts]

We all know that a white man being suspected of passing on a fake $20 bill would not be roughed up; Neither would a white man selling cigarettes on the street.

We need to test that theory. Let's have a volunteer white man and a volunteer black man walk into a Mexican restaurant and try to pass a fake $20.

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

This is why people are losing sympathy with the rioters, and also why Antifa has been branded terrorists

https://twitter.com/Breaking911/status/1267212624703479809

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

We all know that a white man being suspected of passing on a fake $20 bill would not be roughed up; Neither would a white man selling cigarettes on the street

Happens all the time, it just doesnt make the news.

FYI there were 370 white people shot and killed by US cops in 2019: https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2019/national/police-shootings-2019/

 

[curr3n_c1000]

We need to test that theory. Let's have a volunteer white man and a volunteer black man walk into a Mexican restaurant and try to pass a fake $20.

Meh, there's already been social experiments. We all know, just some are still denying.

 

[curr3n_c1000]

 

[Jasmine Raine]

I love watching those "what would you do?"

 

[WyattEarp]

While nobody here likes riots, the simple fact is that nobody should be surprised of riots, when society has discarded tens of millions of poor people of colour.
They received no proper education, or parenting, or health care, are unemployed, with no prospects for employment. Their only choices are jail or the military.

Society decided to discard these young people instead of providing welfare, education and employment for them. USA's infrastructure is crumbling, why not employ them, like after the great depression, or educate them like after WWII?

A society reaps what it sows.

These are just easy and simple political proclamations that echo what you hear from American political commentators. You have to dig into the details to understand the American underclass. I suspect Canada has an underclass, but it's smaller and less visible. It likely isn't the large, intractable problem it is in the U.S.

The U.S. spends a lot of money on education. healthcare and welfare in the inner cities. Canadians routinely tell me how the U.S. is not doing anything without really fully understanding the cultural problems. I'm not much for blaming bad schools and bad teachers. No one likes to blame bad parents and bad students. We cloak it in phrases like "the breakdown of the African-American family structure". Why do you think so many Black parents support school choice? They want to get their children the hell out of schools with bad students.

When you come from an American immigrant family who were poor and uneducated, but really had a lot of common sense. Or you have successful friends who are Hispanic, Indian, many times darker than many African-Americans. Or you have successful Black friends who have immigrated from Africa. You start to think more about culture than race.

Without exaggeration, a American Black child who applies themselves in school probably has more opportunities than anyone born on this planet other than those born to the ultra-rich. These opportunities start with elementary schooling, scholarships, selective placement in universities, corporations and government.

I think it is naive to think that spending more money is a simple answer. You also can't look at the symptoms and say it is all about race.

 

[danmand]

These are just easy and simple political proclamations that echo what you hear from American political commentators. You have to dig into the details to understand the American underclass. I suspect Canada has an underclass, but it's smaller and less visible. It likely isn't the large, intractable problem it is in the U.S.

The U.S. spends a lot of money on education. healthcare and welfare in the inner cities. Canadians routinely tell me how the U.S. is not doing anything without really fully understanding the cultural problems. I'm not much for blaming bad schools and bad teachers. No one likes to blame bad parents and bad students. We cloak it in phrases like "the breakdown of the African-American family structure". Why do you think so many Black parents support school choice? They want to get their children the hell out of schools with bad students.

When you come from an American immigrant family who were poor and uneducated, but really had a lot of common sense. Or you have successful friends who are Hispanic, Indian, many times darker than many African-Americans. Or you have successful Black friends who have immigrated from Africa. You start to think more about culture than race.

Without exaggeration, a American Black child who applies themselves in school probably has more opportunities than anyone born on this planet other than those born to the ultra-rich. These opportunities start with elementary schooling, scholarships, selective placement in universities, corporations and government.

I think it is naive to think that spending more money is a simple answer. You also can't look at the symptoms and say it is all about race.

While I agree with some of your points, I resent being told that I just echo what I hear from American political commentators. you may not realize it, but You have a pattern of denying that other member can think for themselves.

I lived in USA and worked there for a long time, and I saw educated black people. I agree that it is not impossible for black kids getting ahead.

But it is undeniable, that there are millions of black kids with very poor education and no job prospects except in the military or in jail, whether it is because of poor schools or poor parenting. Whatever the reason, most developed countries with a well developed welfare system do not have these people, whom I described as discarded by society.

My point was that if the American society had cared enough to create work (infrastructure like in the 30's) or education (like after WWII) the rioting might not have happened.

 

[Darts]

When you come from an American immigrant family who were poor and uneducated, but really had a lot of common sense. Or you have successful friends who are Hispanic, Indian, many times darker than many African-Americans. Or you have successful Black friends who have immigrated from Africa. You start to think more about culture than race.

Here is one of many success stories. Her parents arrived in these United States as refugees. She is accomplished and a Harvard graduate (without affirmative action). No, she is not white nor male. Yes, what she and many others did is possible. (She now also happens to be married to one of the richest man in the world.)

Does anyone dare to talk about single parent families and why their children are less successful? Do we know why there are poor single parent families?

 

[WyattEarp]

danmand, I remember you telling us that you worked with a government agency in Denmark on a project. You said they were quite efficient and effective. I guarantee you wouldn't say that if you were stuck working with a government bureaucracy in one of America's patronage heavy and affirmative action heavy cities.

They would make the city of agencies of Toronto and Montreal look like masters of efficiency.