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WyattEarp

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Here is one of many success stories. Her parents arrived in these United States as refugees. She is accomplished and a Harvard graduate (without affirmative action). No, she is not white nor male. Yes, what she and many others did is possible. (She now also happens to be married to one of the richest man in the world.)

Does anyone dare to talk about single parent families and why their children are less successful? Do we know why there are poor single parent families?
This isn't going to be politically correct in many people's minds, but I have always thought education and jobs programs need to target Black males. It's probably inappropriate from a gender perspective. Some will defend single parent families. Somehow you have to get black males into stronger family units as fathers and sons.

I've mentioned affirmative action which sometimes sounds like a taboo phrase. My anecdotal experience is that Black women now benefit from affirmative action programs far more than Black men. It's not just about hiring both an African-American and a woman. While there might be some of that, Black women as a group have made more of the opportunities afforded them in education and careers.
 

WyattEarp

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While I agree with some of your points, I resent being told that I just echo what I hear from American political commentators. you may not realize it, but You have a pattern of denying that other member can think for themselves..............Whatever the reason, most developed countries with a well developed welfare system do not have these people, whom I described as discarded by society.
We all echo what we see and hear to some degree. The trick is to try not to sound like politicians and the talking heads.

By the way, I think Europe has a growing underclass that has spread into violence at times. We will see over time if Europe can cure these social ills. The problem doesn't seem to me to be totally curable with money. Eventually, you get to a crossroads where people demand guaranteed equal outcomes. Americans are generally opposed to this concept even though we have tried to provide special opportunities.

By the way, I don't know if Canada has really faced this issue in the same magnitude as the U.S.
 

WyattEarp

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We all know that a white man being suspected of passing on a fake $20 bill would not be roughed up; Neither would a white man selling cigarettes on the street.
It's hard to make generalizations. Derek Chauvin was married to a Laotian woman. While it's definitely possible to hate Blacks and be cool with Asians, Chauvin could just be a sadistic asshole.
 

mandrill

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We all echo what we see and hear to some degree. The trick is to try not to sound like politicians and the talking heads.

By the way, I think Europe has a growing underclass that has spread into violence at times. We will see over time if Europe can cure these social ills. The problem doesn't seem to me to be totally curable with money. Eventually, you get to a crossroads where people demand guaranteed equal outcomes. Americans are generally opposed to this concept even though we have tried to provide special opportunities.

By the way, I don't know if Canada has really faced this issue in the same magnitude as the U.S.

The native Canadian issue, which is numerically far less significant than the Black issue in the US.

Canadian non-whites are otherwise carefully selected immigrants and are chosen for their ability to succeed and move forward in society. And it works.
 

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By the way, I think Europe has a growing underclass that has spread into violence at times. We will see over time if Europe can cure these social ills.
Europe has a huge and growing underclass. Post - WWII, Germany and France, etc. hired many "guest workers" to rebuild their infrastructure. They were supposed to return back home. Instead they stayed and pro-created.

BTW: This "woe is me" excuse is getting really tiresome. Blacks are far from the only group that have faced discrimination. Many whites, as well as non-white visible minority groups, have also faced and are still facing discrimination.
 

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In the famous last words of General George Armstrong Custer: "This is a total fuckup".

What if GF didn't try to pass a fake $20?

What if the Mexican restaurant didn't call the police?

What if C was doing traffic duty in another part of town?
 

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From The New York Times just now:


"BREAKING NEWS
George Floyd’s family lawyer said a private autopsy found his death was homicide from asphyxia and loss of blood flow, challenging an official report.

Monday, June 1, 2020 3:32 PM EST

“Not only was the knee on George’s neck a cause of his death. but so was the weight of the other two police officers on his back, who not only prevented blood flow into his brain but also air flow into his brain,” said Antonio Romanucci, a lawyer for the family.

Benjamin Crump, the family’s lead lawyer, said emergency medical records showed Mr. Floyd was dead at the scene."
 

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From The New York Times just now:


"BREAKING NEWS
George Floyd’s family lawyer said a private autopsy found his death was homicide from asphyxia and loss of blood flow, challenging an official report.

Monday, June 1, 2020 3:32 PM EST

“Not only was the knee on George’s neck a cause of his death. but so was the weight of the other two police officers on his back, who not only prevented blood flow into his brain but also air flow into his brain,” said Antonio Romanucci, a lawyer for the family.

Benjamin Crump, the family’s lead lawyer, said emergency medical records showed Mr. Floyd was dead at the scene."
this is first degree murder
 

explorerzip

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This is a really great analysis of what is really going on. In short, it's a multifaceted problem where no one thing is the root cause. All of these big societal problems are coming together to create a perfect storm.

 

Butler1000

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These are just easy and simple political proclamations that echo what you hear from American political commentators. You have to dig into the details to understand the American underclass. I suspect Canada has an underclass, but it's smaller and less visible. It likely isn't the large, intractable problem it is in the U.S.

The U.S. spends a lot of money on education. healthcare and welfare in the inner cities. Canadians routinely tell me how the U.S. is not doing anything without really fully understanding the cultural problems. I'm not much for blaming bad schools and bad teachers. No one likes to blame bad parents and bad students. We cloak it in phrases like "the breakdown of the African-American family structure". Why do you think so many Black parents support school choice? They want to get their children the hell out of schools with bad students.

When you come from an American immigrant family who were poor and uneducated, but really had a lot of common sense. Or you have successful friends who are Hispanic, Indian, many times darker than many African-Americans. Or you have successful Black friends who have immigrated from Africa. You start to think more about culture than race.

Without exaggeration, a American Black child who applies themselves in school probably has more opportunities than anyone born on this planet other than those born to the ultra-rich. These opportunities start with elementary schooling, scholarships, selective placement in universities, corporations and government.

I think it is naive to think that spending more money is a simple answer. You also can't look at the symptoms and say it is all about race.
Is it about a specific race? No.

But the USA is founded built and needs to have a permanent underclass afraid of the govt to run effectively. It has always had one. First through slavery, then post slavery fear, then transition to Brown Hispanic. Add in the Chinese to build the railroads.

They need someone to clean, cook, and do the dirty jobs. It's why illegal immigrants get rounded up but the employers of them walk free.

Add in no social safety net, no healthcare, unequal school funding, racism in the justice system, and the placing of property value above human life and this is what you get.

Other than tokenization the USA isn't really trying. Canada certainly isn't perfect but we are trying.
 

WyattEarp

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In the famous last words of General George Armstrong Custer: "This is a total fuckup".
Custer actually said "This is a lot of Bull!" A lethal amount in fact.
 

derrick76

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Blacks are far from the only group that have faced discrimination.
Blacks in the USA aren't the only ones but they face the most. The bigger target has always been on them, and often other races are used by the power structure to help propagate.

Go watch MLK's speech where he breaks it down part of the issue which was in play up to that time. How others came after the slaves built the nation and were given many things while the descendants of those who worked for free got nothing. Very little has changed since then. Remember the cop abusing the Indian man until he found out he was not black and apologised? Oh, I thought you were black. Hilarious.

Ever heard of Rosewood, Tulsa, Black Wall Street? All the strides through each generation get destroyed by the so called civilised section of society and no one was held accountable. I don't have time to go through the issues that have gone on for the entire US history leading up to low quality water and schooling assigned to certain neighbourhoods.

So enough of this BS and get back to the matter at hand without trying to pivot. We are deal systemic racism, especially as it pertains to the criminal justice system. You full well know that a black man with the same record and committing the same crime is getting the lengthiest sentence of all the races. In most instances, for petty crime the other races will get a slap on the wrist and the black ones quickly given a record and re-captured.

The US police force was borne out of Slave Patrols and Slave Catchers, and it wasn't other races in the USA they were looking to catch. Ask yourself why Hoover would use the FBI to target MLK. What about the 2nd Amendment not being valid for black groups in the 1960s. What did you understand by LBJ saying that if you convince the lowest White man that he is superior to the best Black man, you can pick his pocket every time. Why didn't he say Minority man? Throughout Amerikkka's history it is the Black man that has been the main beast of burden. Why are you trying to deny that? Ok, so they kept their boots on the black man's neck long enough for others to surpass him. That shame doesn't fall squarely on the shoulders of the African-American. But you prefer to push the narrative that blacks are just simply worthless.

You can also ask why Black (aside from immigrants from Africa) people in America have the names of White people who 'founded' the country, and the other races don't. You can ask yourself why Confederate symbols were erected to remind black people of their place in American society after being freed. I'm pretty sure you know about this https://theundefeated.com/features/...lect-its-slaveowner-author-francis-scott-key/

But you best believe Black people are expected to fall in line, know their place, shut up and run, jump and catch, and ALWAYS pay homage to that shit. They made an example out of Kaep to make sure others know what the score is.

Stop taking it personally. People are attacking White Supremacy not White people. Many White people rail against White Supremacy. Many White got killed fighting for Civil Rights. If you're upset when people say that they want dismantle White Supremacy and White Power structure, then you are the problem.
 

Phil C. McNasty

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Well, after 6 straight days of rioting, assaults, robberies, looting.....etc you're about to meet your match. Trump will send in the military to kick your left-wing asses. I'm gonna sit in front of the TV and enjoy all of this :biggrin1:

And remember Antifa, you started all of this
 

WyattEarp

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Is it about a specific race? No.

But the USA is founded built and needs to have a permanent underclass afraid of the govt to run effectively. It has always had one. First through slavery, then post slavery fear, then transition to Brown Hispanic. Add in the Chinese to build the railroads.

They need someone to clean, cook, and do the dirty jobs. It's why illegal immigrants get rounded up but the employers of them walk free.

Add in no social safety net, no healthcare, unequal school funding, racism in the justice system, and the placing of property value above human life and this is what you get.

Other than tokenization the USA isn't really trying. Canada certainly isn't perfect but we are trying.
You have to be careful with the wide brush strokes. If I remember right, the Chinese helped build Canadian railroads. It's also very common for industrialized countries to import immigrant labor to take low wage jobs. It's common in Britain, Germany, France, Sweden, etc. Some of these countries have a terrible record of integrating these immigrant groups into their society.

Hey, it's not my fault you're a Butler.
 

derrick76

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This thread has been hijacked by people who don't want justice for Floyd nor an end to systemic racism.

And they are fans of a cowardly man who DISRESPECTED George Floyd's family.

The more things change...
 

Butler1000

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You have to be careful with the wide brush strokes. If I remember right, the Chinese helped build Canadian railroads. It's also very common for industrialized countries to import immigrant labor to take low wage jobs. It's common in Britain, Germany, France, Sweden, etc. Some of these countries have a terrible record of integrating these immigrant groups into their society.

Hey, it's not my fault you're a Butler.
Oh I agree about the Chinese in Canada. And that we have issues with our Indigenous people.

As I said we certainly aren't perfect and have a few glass walks of our own.

But it can also be said that a class structure is overt in the USA. More so than other places.

The govt response to Covid-19 proved that.
 

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Well, after 6 straight days of rioting, assaults, robberies, looting.....etc you're about to meet your match. Trump will send in the military to kick your left-wing asses. I'm gonna sit in front of the TV and enjoy all of this :biggrin1:

And remember Antifa, you started all of this

Phillip, go slowly to the medicine cabinet. Find the little blue tinted bottle. And take 2 pills. Wash them down with water. Well, actually take 3. Oh what the fuck, take as many as you need... 8, 9, better stop at 9.

After a while, you'll notice the palpitations and the hand clenching will stop. You'll look around and you'll see the cat and dog are looking at you oddly. Pick the cat up and sit down with it on your lap. Stroke its back, slowly, soothingly. Head to tail. Head to tail.

Feeling better now...... bett...... ter.

Now delete your post and write something normal before too many other people read it.
 
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