The back and forth bantering reminds me of bickering old married couples who have been around each other far too long. No wonder the kids tune them out and never visit on fathers/mothers days .
REOPENING AT STAGE 2, with recommendations for Coordinated Toronto Reopening Strategy
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Hey guys! Last word on the subject... I haven't been logging on to TERB for a while because I thought it was clear that our reopening isn't imminent, so I'm surprised that this thread is still as busy as it is.
It's important to emphasize that all reopening decisions across the world are based on health factors, but also based on economic and political factors. Of course that's true of sex work as well, and the only point of this thread was to explain where we would position ourselves in that framework, and why. The Ontario government will decide when Stage 2 is viable/necessary, and we will move in concert with the province's recommendations. The province will determine the criteria for that decision, not Allegra or any other groups in the sex industry. I think a lot of people misunderstood our intentions, and assumed that our announcement meant we would be reopening quickly; that was never the intent of this thread.
Clearly the province needs to make a lot of progress before Stage 2 is a reality, and once it is, we'll start opening things up, slowly and carefully. The single biggest factor in reducing spread will be limiting the number of clients that any given SP sees in a day, to avoid superspreader situations, so that will be our main focus. Additionally, now that the province is allowing testing for non-symptomatic individuals, we may choose to recommend that SPs be tested at some undetermined frequency prior to and/or during their return to providing services. No firm plan is currently in place, but we will monitor the situation closely. This is an ever-changing situation, and the range of safety protocols that we will or will not use will adapt as new information and options become available.
I assumed it would go without saying, but none of the SPs or clients who choose to delay their return beyond Stage 2 will be expected to or pressured to expedite things. We have a number of SPs on our roster with chronic health conditions who have already stated that Stage 2 is too early for their comfort, and others who cohabitate with vulnerable persons, and their decision to wait will be respected. Their position with our collective will not be at risk, and they'll simply remain listed as OFF until they choose to return.
Finally, my initial prediction for Ontario Stage 2 was three to eight weeks from May 14, when I first posted this thread. It now looks likely to be at the far end of that range, perhaps longer; if Stage 2 gets pushed back because of recent events and upticks in the number of cases, then our reopening will be pushed back as well.
Stay safe, get outside, enjoy the warm weather (at a distance), and I'll log back in again in a few weeks.
Cheers,
Nikki
It's important to emphasize that all reopening decisions across the world are based on health factors, but also based on economic and political factors. Of course that's true of sex work as well, and the only point of this thread was to explain where we would position ourselves in that framework, and why. The Ontario government will decide when Stage 2 is viable/necessary, and we will move in concert with the province's recommendations. The province will determine the criteria for that decision, not Allegra or any other groups in the sex industry. I think a lot of people misunderstood our intentions, and assumed that our announcement meant we would be reopening quickly; that was never the intent of this thread.
Clearly the province needs to make a lot of progress before Stage 2 is a reality, and once it is, we'll start opening things up, slowly and carefully. The single biggest factor in reducing spread will be limiting the number of clients that any given SP sees in a day, to avoid superspreader situations, so that will be our main focus. Additionally, now that the province is allowing testing for non-symptomatic individuals, we may choose to recommend that SPs be tested at some undetermined frequency prior to and/or during their return to providing services. No firm plan is currently in place, but we will monitor the situation closely. This is an ever-changing situation, and the range of safety protocols that we will or will not use will adapt as new information and options become available.
I assumed it would go without saying, but none of the SPs or clients who choose to delay their return beyond Stage 2 will be expected to or pressured to expedite things. We have a number of SPs on our roster with chronic health conditions who have already stated that Stage 2 is too early for their comfort, and others who cohabitate with vulnerable persons, and their decision to wait will be respected. Their position with our collective will not be at risk, and they'll simply remain listed as OFF until they choose to return.
Finally, my initial prediction for Ontario Stage 2 was three to eight weeks from May 14, when I first posted this thread. It now looks likely to be at the far end of that range, perhaps longer; if Stage 2 gets pushed back because of recent events and upticks in the number of cases, then our reopening will be pushed back as well.
Stay safe, get outside, enjoy the warm weather (at a distance), and I'll log back in again in a few weeks.
Cheers,
Nikki
It's funny, but without even looking to see who the author is of each post, I can instantly tell when Nikki is writing. Suddenly the writing is coherent and intelligent, thoughtful and insightful. A nice change from the preaching and bantering.
If only more people had heads like hers.
If only more people had heads like hers.
Sensible and reasonable post unlike the amigo's posts.Hey guys! Last word on the subject... I haven't been logging on to TERB for a while because I thought it was clear that our reopening isn't imminent, so I'm surprised that this thread is still as busy as it is.
It's important to emphasize that all reopening decisions across the world are based on health factors, but also based on economic and political factors. Of course that's true of sex work as well, and the only point of this thread was to explain where we would position ourselves in that framework, and why. The Ontario government will decide when Stage 2 is viable/necessary, and we will move in concert with the province's recommendations. The province will determine the criteria for that decision, not Allegra or any other groups in the sex industry. I think a lot of people misunderstood our intentions, and assumed that our announcement meant we would be reopening quickly; that was never the intent of this thread.
Clearly the province needs to make a lot of progress before Stage 2 is a reality, and once it is, we'll start opening things up, slowly and carefully. The single biggest factor in reducing spread will be limiting the number of clients that any given SP sees in a day, to avoid superspreader situations, so that will be our main focus. Additionally, now that the province is allowing testing for non-symptomatic individuals, we may choose to recommend that SPs be tested at some undetermined frequency prior to and/or during their return to providing services. No firm plan is currently in place, but we will monitor the situation closely. This is an ever-changing situation, and the range of safety protocols that we will or will not use will adapt as new information and options become available.
I assumed it would go without saying, but none of the SPs or clients who choose to delay their return beyond Stage 2 will be expected to or pressured to expedite things. We have a number of SPs on our roster with chronic health conditions who have already stated that Stage 2 is too early for their comfort, and others who cohabitate with vulnerable persons, and their decision to wait will be respected. Their position with our collective will not be at risk, and they'll simply remain listed as OFF until they choose to return.
Finally, my initial prediction for Ontario Stage 2 was three to eight weeks from May 14, when I first posted this thread. It now looks likely to be at the far end of that range, perhaps longer; if Stage 2 gets pushed back because of recent events and upticks in the number of cases, then our reopening will be pushed back as well.
Stay safe, get outside, enjoy the warm weather (at a distance), and I'll log back in again in a few weeks.
Cheers,
Nikki
At least in the US, in most states you can not get a test unless you have symptoms or have been with someone who has been tested positive. That means the more you test, the higher the ratio of infection since your testing is bias to those most likely to have it. So there are more accurately new cases detected - however you have no idea when they caught it, so you do not know if it is new.
Using hospitalizations is more about concerns about the capacity to handle - even better percentage of available beds. I agree the problem with hospitalizations is many infected folks have mild cases or no symptoms so they are not included. There seems to be no ideal way to test for really new infections. Maybe new positive tests is best we can do with its flaws.
I just saw an interview with a guy in Michigan saying no masks needed and the virus will not rebound because "God is going to heal this land - it is as simple as that." Kind of like the women in a car interviewed saying she does not need to be careful or stay at home because she is saved by the blood of Christ and can not be infected. That is how ignorant some folks are. At least the FDA forced Jim Baker to stop selling his miracle cure - yes Jim of Jim and now deceased Tammy Baker still has a TV show the millions follow.
Also, remember that while the death count is relatively low per million, many others recovery but say its the worst few weeks of their life fighting it and having such a hard time to breath in most cases.
And about 25% of cases are ages 20-50 and many of these are severe but don't die or can spread it even if they do not have symptoms.
So when you do think agencies should open?
We all know Bebe wants them open now or just likes trolling people like you. I don't take his opinion to mean anything to be honest. Sorry Bebe.
Now you may have said but I have not read the whole thread or all of your postings so sorry if this will be a repeat.
It goes without saying that when you're sick, the symptoms of whatever ailment you have make you feel really bad. I've had the flu and it felt like death. A respiratory disease making breathing difficult or your lungs painful is no surprise. Fortunately most people recover from it.
Regardless of the symptoms, we can't live in fear indefinitely.
Maybe they should change their rates and see if it makes a difference. Not only are people scared for their health, they're scared about their financial future.
Bebe's posts are meaningless because he just like to complain endlessly about anything and everything.
I always thought and posted if people adhered to the guidelines set out by our government we would be back to having some normalcy sometime in June, with some businesses being opened and even a little more relaxation of the no gatherings of more than 5 people. But unfortunately with what happened last weekend that might be prolonged, we will see the numbers of cases within 14 days time to see if there is a spike in cases. If there is a spike no one should be surprised when everything gets pushed back by Doug Ford and rightfully so. We can all thank the Covidiots at Trinity Bellwoods for that.
This should not have been superior knowledge for anyone, had anyone paid attention to what happened in China, Italy, or Spain understood and retained that information they would have known that how they first saw the cases, kept businesses and travel open, instituted a lockdown and ultimately lifted or are lifting those shutdowns was in a very similar timeframe.
Without having a significant decline on a 14 day cycle in the number of new daily cases, and without proper health and tracing measures in place, we are only bound to have a prolonged first wave and possibly a second wave of the virus. Making the government need to take more drastic measures again in the future which is what we should all be trying to avoid.
The numbers of cases is not going to magically come down or disappear like some irrational and ignorant loudmouths here claim it would, nor will we have herd immunity anytime soon, we do not even know if it's actually a fully viable option at this time.
All we can do is limit the amount of contagion that is out in the community spreading, not having unnecessary cases, deaths attributed to it, and not overburdening our healthcare system or even coming close to it because any spikes could overwhelm it costing unnecessary deaths.
I know tracing is not something majority of Canadians are accepting of but there has to be some sort of proper contact tracing otherwise this first wave will continue and subsequent waves cannot be properly assessed or limited. Tracing being recommended by the federal government gives businesses an opportunity to be responsible to their employees and customers, I do think some companies will institute tracing measures for legal liability, safety and economical reasons.
Of course tracing measures and the use of a 14 day cycle decline in the number of cases does not sit well with the "Open businesses now" crowd hence the pushback against the use of it, but any country that had shutdowns and are now in the process of or have lift shutdowns has instituted the use of it such cycle like China, Italy, Spain, Denmak, Germany.
No worries, they can open now or a few weeks from now, makes little to no difference in terms of risk to either the girl or the guy.
If they want to wait till there are no more than 200 new daily cases before pushing forward with Stage 2 the agencies will not be opening for many many many more months to come. The kids will be back in class and the number of unemployed will be higher than anything ever seen.
With CERB ending in July, everything will start to reopen with the exception of venues capable of holding a large number of people.
If I really wanted to venture out, I could, lots of girls are working. I am happy to wait to see the girls I am most interested in seeing
How are they comparable
BC has 2,500 reported cases
Ontraio has almost 26,000 cases
Quebec almost 49,000 cases
Quebec has started to reopen schools and give people some freedom as an example.
Ford wants to run Ontario like a police state to protect the elderly. A vast majortiy of people who get sick recover, just like they should by using their immune system. Those over 80, in poor health who live in the broken down system of the LTCH's need to be fearful. You do know that more than 75% of the people in Ontario that got sick recovered. 8% died but they are over 80 in the high risk category.
Can't forget, according to doggystyle99, most people in Ontrario are fine if the Government starts to track all of our movements with our cell phones. Thats a joke and half.
Correct, I doubt between now and a few weeks from now (hopefully when Stage 2 is started) the RONDI will be significantly less than it already is. If it is that's great but I do not see that happening. I would be stunned if Ford is waiting for it to fall below 200 for a 2 week period before starting Stage 2. If we have numbers steady for a week around 300 new daily cases, I can see Ford starting Stage 2. Just looking at the number of new cases is a weak metric, you need to look at the age groups being impacted, who dies, the rate of recovery, number in ICU's, the capacity of the hospital system etc.,
At the latest when the CERB monies dry up in July, things will reopen no matter what the RONDI is. This will force the reopening to occur at light speed, this is why things need to reopen on a continous basis, pretty much on a weekly basis with new services coming on-line such as dentisty, elective surgery, etc.
The one thing I wholly agree with that I have mentioned many times is it's not how many positives but where they are coming from. Eliminate the LTC and hospital positives so we can see how much there is out in public. It would not surprise me if no one at Trinity Bellwoods last Saturday had Covid. So do some random field testing to see what is happening out of the already known hotspots
yup im sure it was that bad. seriously. the only thing is the chances of that happening to you is literally 1 in 100,000. Roughly 150 in the ICU in Ontario. Roughly 15 million population. If you're not geriatric im sure odds are more like 1 in a million or 1 in 10 million if you are really young.
Keep fear mongering. Its the goddamn flu.
Unfortunately you lack understanding of what people post, any knowledge of the data and facts and what they represent, common sense, and empathy to be able to assess the Coronavirus threat properly.
You lack empathy because you've posted numerous times you couldn't care if people are dying and what's more important is for agencies to open so you can have some female interaction and get your dick wet.
You lack understanding of what people post because Allegra has said a couple of times in this thread they expect to be open within 3-8 weeks of when they originally posted and even that being pushed back along with date of phase 2 if it does happen, but for some reason you keep posting that they should and will open in 2 weeks time. I've clearly posted "tracing is not something majority of Canadians are accepting of" but to you it means that I'm saying most people in Ontario are fine if the government starts to track all of our movements which is the exact opposite of what I posted.
You lack the knowledge and common sense because you still haven't understood the difference in risk to the general population when there are 10 VS 50 VS 200 VS 400 daily new cases spreading in the community, and keep asserting that the risk would not be any different in any of those numbers or in few weeks when numbers are lower which is the opposite of the truth.
Time for you to once again wail your hands in the air, stump your feet and tell Allegra and other agencies what they should do based on your irrational selfish wants, but your still not going to get what you selfishly want.
This thread has outlived its usefulness . Hundreds of hours of thoughts, arguments , points ,counterpoints , won’t convince a single solitary person to change their views and opinions. It’s just become a troll-a-thon Move on with your lives. Lol
+1
Sadly is this not the case of most the threads now on TERB, especially the COVID-19 area threads? Another example of pandemic exhaustion taking place.
Take care everyone,
G.D.G.
Empathy...sad face...tears streaming down my cheeks, Empathy... sad face... my heart bleeds. LOL
