End the Lockdown

[doggystyle99]

I don't get the continued references to Sweden and how they're doing ok. They have 4.5 million or so less people than the province of Ontario and 864 more deaths than we do. By what metrics is that doing okay? They're getting their asses kicked.

Because these few but loud and ignorant, misinformed and irrational people saw a video from a random person (usually a far right looney tune) on Youtube or Twitter that made a reference to the fact that Sweden is not in any social distancing or lockdown and they are somehow beating the virus, I am guessing they saw the video on April 12th since Sweden had a significant two day drop in their numbers.
Daily deaths went down from 77, to 17 and 12 on April 12 and the number of daily confirmed cases had dropped from 544, to 466, and 332 on April 12th, and these people are preaching it as the gospel. As of April 13th that number is going up and way up they went from 12 daily deaths to 20, to 114, to 170 yesterday which is a daily high for Sweden and another 130 today, both those days 170, and 130 is their highest two daily death. The number of daily confirmed cases also increased from 332, to 465, to 497, to 482 yesterday and as of today another 613 today.

Had these irrational, misinformed and ignorant people done the smallest amount of basic search of just simple numbers they would have realized people are 6X more likely to die from the Coronavirus in Sweden than a person in Canada. The following are very important facts in the difference of Sweden and Canada and how each countries policy has affected the Coronavirus

Sweden--------------------------------------------------Canada
10 Mln--------------population------------------------37 Mln
12 500--------------confirmed cases-----------------30 000
1300----------------total deaths-----------------------1190
10.4%--------------death rate-------------------------3.9%
7.3k+/Mln----------administered tests--------------12.9k+/Mln
132 Deaths/Mln----------------------------------------32 Deaths/Mln

They just don't have the knowledge or awareness to read and learn something themselves, they repeat what they see or hear from random people on social media outlets and keep repeating as the truth while facts show otherwise.

 

[Malibuk]

Las Vegas mayor slams coronavirus shutdowns of nonessential businesses as 'total insanity'

Las Vegas Mayor Carolyn Goodman called the closing of nonessential businesses in Nevada "total insanity" during a city council meeting on Wednesday, and pushed for state officials to speed up the recovery process before it's too late.
"This shutdown has become one of total insanity in my opinion," she said. "For there is no backup of data as to why we are shut down from the start. No plan in place, how to move through the shutdown or how even to come out of it."
Nevada Gov. Steve Sisolack, a Democrat, originally ordered all casinos, movie theaters, bars, restaurants and gyms to close on March 17. He later issued an official stay-at-home order on April 1.
Goodman, who is also a Democrat, called for the entire state to be reopened as soon as possible, to avoid further economic fallout.
"Our entire tourism and convention industry business has been shut down. It makes no sense. It makes no sense," she continued. "From my perspective, we must open our city. We must open Southern Nevada, and we must open the state of Nevada."
Goodman claimed people are capable of abiding by strict sanitary standards and should be allowed to return to work so they can begin rebuilding their lives.
"We cannot keep our heads in the sand, and think it's going to go away. We're adults with brains who can know what to do, to wash our hands, to take all precautions not to spread this disease," she explained.
"The longer we wait to do this, the more impossible it will become to recover and return to the home we all know and love," she added.

 

[Fradi]

Because these few but loud and ignorant, misinformed and irrational people saw a video from a random person (usually a far right looney tune) on Youtube or Twitter that made a reference to the fact that Sweden is not in any social distancing or lockdown and they are somehow beating the virus, I am guessing they saw the video on April 12th since Sweden had a significant two day drop in their numbers.
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No, they saw the video on April first, very appropriate.

 

[shack]

Toronto is planning to re open injection sites for junkies and other seimilar delinquents while a the the same time telluns law abiding people to stay at home and live in fear of virus that is milder than the seasonal flu and threatening us with fines and arrests. I have no patients end the lock down now. if junkies can go out and inject dangerous illegal chemicals in them, why can't the rest us go back to work?

You and I can look after ourselves. These people can't. They need help just like any patient that requires hospitalization.

 

[Darts]

Even after they lift the embargo, either partially or totally, I'm still going lie low until I see how many people out there are still walking around.

"Discretion is the better part of valor. Caution is preferable to rash b**********y. Said by Falstaff in King Henry the Fourth, Part One, by William Shakespeare."

 

[Malibuk]

Of course the Sweden model is going to look worse now, as they didn`t shut down their economy, but it has been very manageable for them thus far.
If you are not going to remain shut down until an effective vaccine has been developed and widely administered, it is possible that the Sweden approach could end up being better in the long run.
Take the brunt of an inevitable hit over a much shorter time while keeping the economy going, and not overwhelming your health system.
If they need to change, they will change, although there is risk it could be too little too late.
Time will tell, but it is way too early to judge them.

 

[kstanb]

Of course the Sweden model is going to look worse now, as they didn`t shut down their economy, but it has been very manageable for them thus far.
If you are not going to remain shut down until an effective vaccine has been developed and widely administered, it is possible that the Sweden approach could end up being better in the long run.
Take the brunt of an inevitable hit over a shorter time while keeping the economy going, and not overwhelming your health system.
If they need to change, they will change, although there is risk it could be too little too late.
Time will tell, but it is way too early to judge them.

totally agree, we can't shut down the economy until we find a cure, we can't shut it for a year, we can't shut it for 6 months
it doesn't mean we go back to normality, but back to a new normal that is more restrictive but doesn't trigger a depression. WW2 was a consequence of the great depression, and it killed 60 million people

 

[escortsxxx]

This fuckers are everywhere lol
I had to quit my job becase of dangerous people like this.
This is the direct result of years of imbreeding and bad genetics mixed with fast food.
They're not capable of critical thinking. They just don't have the brain resources that allows any normal IQ individual to self reflect.
They just see or hear something and then repeated like a parrot and add their own little twist to it.
Especially if dealing with multiple problems they're incapable of tackling them simultaneously, they can only pick one.
In this case it's the economy. If this was left up to this idiots we would all either starve to death or we would all die of covid 19.

Thanks for the chuckle. Good read.

 

[escortsxxx]

Of course the Sweden model is going to look worse now, as they didn`t shut down their economy, but it has been very manageable for them thus far.
If you are not going to remain shut down until an effective vaccine has been developed and widely administered, it is possible that the Sweden approach could end up being better in the long run.
Take the brunt of an inevitable hit over a much shorter time while keeping the economy going, and not overwhelming your health system.
If they need to change, they will change, although there is risk it could be too little too late.
Time will tell, but it is way too early to judge them.

Multicultural countries will not be effective in the Swedish model for many many reasons. Just like people who think surface LRT will work here - with winter -when they work in California- local condition matter.

 

[black booty lover]

Sorry sport but it's going to take more than a suggestion from you to have me move anywhere . LMFAO :biggrin:

You must get your ass kicked at least once a week. Get start bringing Tee Jay out with you.

 

[John Henry]

You must get your ass kicked at least once a week. Get start bringing Tee Jay out with you.

Nope . Hasn't happen yet . I'm a lover not a fighter but I'm not afraid to give my opinion on any subject on here or in public . That's why when I read bullshit I call it as it is . Bullshit .

Don't know what brought on having my ass kicked . Are you a violent person . Looks like you resolve difference of opinions with violence .

Ever solve a difference of opinion or discussion with out resorting to violence . Sure looks like you don't . Nice way to live .

You have a nice day sport . Maybe do some volunteer work at the local seniors center to calm you down .

 

[lenny2]

This fuckers are everywhere lol
I had to quit my job becase of dangerous people like this.
This is the direct result of years of imbreeding and bad genetics mixed with fast food.
They're not capable of critical thinking. They just don't have the brain resources that allows any normal IQ individual to self reflect.
They just see or hear something and then repeated like a parrot and add their own little twist to it.
Especially if dealing with multiple problems they're incapable of tackling them simultaneously, they can only pick one.
In this case it's the economy. If this was left up to this idiots we would all either starve to death or we would all die of covid 19.

lol hahaha!

 

[lenny2]

destroying the economy is more harmful than a virus which is no different from the common flu.

The authorities have repeatedly pointed to the possibility of hospitals being overwhelmed beyond their capacity with COVID-19 cases alone if economic shutdowns & social distancing measures were not being practiced. That would mean all those many thousands needing emergency care for life saving procedures would die. It would also mean that those needing immediate care to avert negative consequences like being put in comas, paralysis etc, would not be saved.

Without the shutdown & safety measures via social distancing, many hospitals would be overwhelmed while not having the staff or equipment to properly deal with it, leading to many more health care workers getting ill. That, in turn, would lead to cascading issues within the health care system as mentioned above.

The situation could get so bad that it could lead to mass panic, rioting, looting, anarchy. The government would rather avert potential doomsday scenarios.

Moreover relatively little is known about this virus compared to the flu which has been studied for decades & which has not caused hospitals to be overwhelmed as potentially they would have been via COVID-19. So better to shut things down for a few weeks or months until more is learned this novel virus. IOW better safe than sorry.

Also, relative to the flu, experts tend to think, based on the data they have thus far, that COVID-19 is much more easily transmitted & has a higher death rate. So it is considered a much more dangerous threat than the flu. Consequently, much greater measures to shut it down have been implemented.

Does that make sense to you?

destroying the economy is more harmful than a virus which is no different from the common flu.

"The tradeoff of economic benefit over public health is a false dichotomy: the economy will greatly suffer if hundreds of thousands of Canadians die, as predicted by the Public Health Agency of Canada if no restrictions are in place. Protecting public health now, while posing short-term risk to the economy, will allow the economy to bounce back in the long term. We should not sell out our lives for short-term economic gain.”

...‘We should not sell out our lives for short-term economic gain’: Despite ‘glimmer of hope’ in COVID-19 battle, far too soon to return to normal, pandemic expert says.

https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/20...to-return-to-normal-pandemic-expert-says.html

"Covid-19 is rapidly becoming America’s leading cause of death":

https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2020/04/16/coronavirus-leading-cause-death/?arc404=true

 

[lenny2]

Correct. This is stupid.

We could reduce motor vehicle deaths by 50% if we reduce the speed limit to 25 km/hr but there is a trade off and risk ppl are willing to take. Same thing here. The economic impact will kill far more than the disease.

Car deaths were not threatening to overwhelm the hospitals.

Neither are they contagious.

Nor are they a new virus that we know little about its potential consequences as to how many people it could kill etc, whether hundreds of thousands, millions, tens of millions, etc

Many other steps are being taken to reduce car deaths.

People don't have to get in a car & risk their lives if they don't want to.

Why reduce car deaths by only 50%? Why not ban them completely & reduce car deaths to 0%. Then people would still die travelling by other means. Are you going to ban all other means of transportation because people die by them also. Where do you draw the line?

 

[lenny2]

Actually many businesses will not recover from this and many more cannot sustain if this goes beyond June...

Other businesses will take up the slack for any lack of satisfying the consumer demand as a consequence & the economy will recover & roll on.

It's nothing new for businesses to go out of business & others to take their place. This has been occurring since ancient times & will continue indefinitely.

 

[lenny2]

Did they die due to the lack of access to a respirator, or did they die because they were unable to fight the virus. The only reason we are under quarantine is to build up the hospital's capacity to deal with infections. It is not to reduce infections. If a person has access to a respirator and still dies, they would have died regardless of whether there was a lock-down or not.

The virus has to infect 80% of the population before it disappears. These people would have died from the virus eventually. The only difference is it would be in six months time.

It's becoming more and more clear to me that people don't understand the purpose of the quarantine. If they think a quarantine defeats the virus, they are very, very wrong.

No, these people would not necessarily die of the virus eventually. They could be protected by preventative measures (e.g. mask wearing). Then upon the arrival of a vaccine, that also would protect them. Moreover, additionally, with the continued research into drugs they could be helped by them.

 

[glamphotographer]

Canada reached a new high of 185 deaths and 1727 new cases (on April 16) and this only the start of the peak. No way we are ending the lockout. This virus is airborne, highly contagious, stay home, wear a mask if you need to go out.

 

[glamphotographer]

Because these few but loud and ignorant, misinformed and irrational people saw a video from a random person (usually a far right looney tune) on Youtube or Twitter that made a reference to the fact that Sweden is not in any social distancing or lockdown and they are somehow beating the virus, I am guessing they saw the video on April 12th since Sweden had a significant two day drop in their numbers.
Daily deaths went down from 77, to 17 and 12 on April 12 and the number of daily confirmed cases had dropped from 544, to 466, and 332 on April 12th, and these people are preaching it as the gospel. As of April 13th that number is going up and way up they went from 12 daily deaths to 20, to 114, to 170 yesterday which is a daily high for Sweden and another 130 today, both those days 170, and 130 is their highest two daily death. The number of daily confirmed cases also increased from 332, to 465, to 497, to 482 yesterday and as of today another 613 today.

Had these irrational, misinformed and ignorant people done the smallest amount of basic search of just simple numbers they would have realized people are 6X more likely to die from the Coronavirus in Sweden than a person in Canada. The following are very important facts in the difference of Sweden and Canada and how each countries policy has affected the Coronavirus

Sweden--------------------------------------------------Canada
10 Mln--------------population------------------------37 Mln
12 500--------------confirmed cases-----------------30 000
1300----------------total deaths-----------------------1190
10.4%--------------death rate-------------------------3.9%
7.3k+/Mln----------administered tests--------------12.9k+/Mln
132 Deaths/Mln----------------------------------------32 Deaths/Mln

They just don't have the knowledge or awareness to read and learn something themselves, they repeat what they see or hear from random people on social media outlets and keep repeating as the truth while facts show otherwise.

I will add that Sweden hasn't done enough testing. Canada 487,625 tests, Sweden 74600. Sweden is playing a dangerous game, the numbers will catch up to them.

 

[t.o.leafs.fan]

Who is the irrational, misinformed and the ignorant here? Who?

The irrational and ignorant ones are the ones saying we just have to follow the Swedish method and things will be ok. Look at them. They're doing great. (Thank you for not repeating this message ad nauseum anymore bytheway...once is enough/too much). They've followed a lax approach like other countries who've got their asses kicked. Sweden's numbers are beginning to look bleak. They may be in for a world of hurt. Nobody knows. So the people saying we should be following their lead are ignorant because nobody knows how it will end up for them. But, I am one of the 15% on here who don't have a PHD in epidemiology so what do I know?

 

[Malibuk]

I will add that Sweden hasn't done enough testing. Canada 487,625 tests, Sweden 74600. Sweden is playing a dangerous game, the numbers will catch up to them.

Sweden is rolling the dice but I think testing for the virus is far less critical for a country that is not facing the daunting dilemma of when to risk opening up the economy.
Every country`s death rate was higher when they had only tested 74600.
This is a statistically insufficient sample size in determining infection rate or real death rate.

I would be more interested to see comprehensive anti-body testing in Sweden to see if there is any merit to this herd immunity hypothesis.