End the Lockdown

jazzbox

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Right. So what would have have said if they shut the US border in January?. You would have said it is a retarded over-reaction and complained it is ruining business. Basically, the government had to wait to make sure the border closure was orderly and that the population understood what was a stake....
Agreed.

The feds were:

1. Late to react and implement preventive measures, chief among them closing the US border.
2. Overcompensating now imo. The most vulnerable should be the ones that really need to be protected as much as possible.
 

drewstar

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Right. So what would have have said if they shut the US border in January?. You would have said it is a retarded over-reaction and complained it is ruining business. Basically, the government had to wait to make sure the border closure was orderly and that the population understood what was a stake....
Nah, throughout Trudeau’s tenure as PM the Canadian govt has always been imo too much of a suck up to the US. States says Huawei should be arrested yet were the dummies doing their dirty work for them. We didnt close our borders because Trudeau has always been afraid of pissing off Trump.

Why is South Korea, Taiwan, Singapore, Japan etc faring the best what do they all have in common? Competent govts. Western govts are generally slow to take action and while Canada hasnt been the worse, theres certainly much room for improvement.
 

canada-man

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Correct. This is stupid.

We could reduce motor vehicle deaths by 50% if we reduce the speed limit to 25 km/hr but there is a trade off and risk ppl are willing to take. Same thing here. The economic impact will kill far more than the disease.

Fuck all the righteous indignation shown by the ignorant tools.
tell that the victims of child abuse and domestic abuse who are forced to lock up in their homes due to the covid19 scamdemic started by bill gates and company
 

Elagabalus

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Change that tune

I'm 60+, so fuck you and the picture of Ayn Rand that you jerk off to every night.
Your tune will change when the pension funds run out of money and withdraws from your RRSPs are taxed at 75% to pay off the massive debt incurred to pay people not to work.

Everyone gets the virus eventually. You can't hide from it and hope it goes away.

Get more respirators and get this economy going.
 

Elagabalus

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30 years old
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-l-pSTXihcY&t=25s

21 years old
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=AJRMEmvMB24&t=2s

42 years old
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=wmqvYiTZerk&t=190s

Michael Yo 45 years old, strong and fit almost died.
There's many more.
This virus is really showing how disgusting some people are.
Also keep in mind that most people in nursing homes have no way to properly isolate themselves.
They are at greater risk to be infected then the general population.
Did they die due to the lack of access to a respirator, or did they die because they were unable to fight the virus. The only reason we are under quarantine is to build up the hospital's capacity to deal with infections. It is not to reduce infections. If a person has access to a respirator and still dies, they would have died regardless of whether there was a lock-down or not.

The virus has to infect 80% of the population before it disappears. These people would have died from the virus eventually. The only difference is it would be in six months time.

It's becoming more and more clear to me that people don't understand the purpose of the quarantine. If they think a quarantine defeats the virus, they are very, very wrong.
 

Elagabalus

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What's the metric of success?

Yesterday I heard on the news a Queens University med school professor say that the lock down in Ontario is working very well. I don't see much harm in keeping it going for another month and a half, but come June 1st, I think it will be time to review if the strategy is still needed.
How is it working? Have we increased hospital staff? Do hospitals have more respirators? Because that's the only metric that matters, because when we all go back to work, the virus will be there waiting for us. It hasn't gone anywhere, and it's not going anywhere until everyone (80% of us at least) has been infected.
 

gundam789

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How is it working? Have we increased hospital staff? Do hospitals have more respirators? Because that's the only metric that matters, because when we all go back to work, the virus will be there waiting for us. It hasn't gone anywhere, and it's not going anywhere until everyone (80% of us at least) has been infected.
Taiwan only had 400 cases and 6 deaths.
It's actually not that difficult to stop it if the right measures are implemented.
Like wearing a fkn MASK.
There are inserts of HIV in this virus. Having antibodies might not mean you're immune.
If you have antibodies to HIV it doesn't make you immune.
If this virus was bioengineered we just don't what can happen down the line
It's alreasy been shown to attack T4 cells. It might go away and 5 to 10 years down the line you will die from complications.
 

Elagabalus

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Taiwan only had 400 cases and 6 deaths.
It's actually not that difficult to stop it if the right measures are implemented.
It can't be stopped. It can only be slowed down.

All it takes is one COVID infection next month in Taiwan and everyone that didn't get it is at risk and then they're back to square one. Although I will admit Taiwan does seem like an interesting case study. Very difficult to believe only 400 were infected. Good for them if it's true.
 

hamermill

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Still not enough have died yet. Only a thousand Canadians we are still second to the US of A s s...
 

Mr Deeds

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Correct. This is stupid.

We could reduce motor vehicle deaths by 50% if we reduce the speed limit to 25 km/hr but there is a trade off and risk ppl are willing to take. Same thing here. The economic impact will kill far more than the disease.

Fuck all the righteous indignation shown by the ignorant tools.

Business can be replaced with other business but what will replace a life
 

Medman52

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Quick facts on all COVID-19 patients in Ontario:

55.2 per cent of all patients in the province are female and 44.1 per cent are male – 49 cases did not specify male or female gender
2.3 per cent of all patients are 19 years of age or younger
24 per cent of all patients are between the ages of 20 and 39
33.6 per cent of all patients are between the ages of 40 and 59
23.8 per cent of all patients are between the ages of 60 and 79
16.2 per cent of all patients are 80 years of age or older
 

apoptygma

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Quick facts on all COVID-19 patients in Ontario:

55.2 per cent of all patients in the province are female and 44.1 per cent are male – 49 cases did not specify male or female gender
2.3 per cent of all patients are 19 years of age or younger
24 per cent of all patients are between the ages of 20 and 39
33.6 per cent of all patients are between the ages of 40 and 59
23.8 per cent of all patients are between the ages of 60 and 79
16.2 per cent of all patients are 80 years of age or older
More patients under 60 than over 60.
There goes the 'young and healthy' theory.
 

Elagabalus

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More patients under 60 than over 60.
There goes the 'young and healthy' theory.
What is the definition of a 'patient' in this case? Someone hospitalized and on a respirator? Someone in a hospital bed? Someone diagnosed and sent home after 10 minutes?

Without that context, the stat is less than meaningless.

It's a virus, so it doesn't discriminate against who it infects. I'd expect the infection stats would mimic the population as a whole, so if there are more people under 60 in the population, there would be more people under 60 infected.
 

Medman52

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What is the definition of a 'patient' in this case? Someone hospitalized and on a respirator? Someone in a hospital bed? Someone diagnosed and sent home after 10 minutes?

Without that context, the stat is less than meaningless.

It's a virus, so it doesn't discriminate against who it infects. I'd expect the infection stats would mimic the population as a whole, so if there are more people under 60 in the population, there would be more people under 60 infected.

Phil Tsekouras
Multi-Platform Writer, CTV News Toronto
Published Tuesday, April 14, 2020 10:27AM EDT
Last Updated Tuesday, April 14, 2020 10:13PM EDT


Meanwhile, as the number of those hospitalized for COVID-19 has increased by nine patients since Monday, there is a decrease in the number of those being treated in an intensive care unit.

There are currently 769 patients in hospital, 255 of which are in the ICU, down from 263 reported a day earlier. The number of those requiring a ventilator is also down to 199, from 203 on Monday.

So far, 12.5 per cent of all the cases reported have been hospitalized at one point.

Health officials also say that 857 of all reported cases are health care workers.

In terms of testing, the data shows that the province completed 4,852 COVID-19 tests in the last 24 hours. The province had previously said that it hopes to raise its daily output of tests to about 8,000 by April 15.

Since the outbreak began in late-January, the province has conducted 113,082 tests. As it stands, there are 2,107 cases under investigation.

The exposure information for almost half (45.4 per cent) of the cases reported is listed as pending, though Ontario health officials believe that 1,883 cases were the result of community transmission.


Another 1,306 cases developed through close contact with a confirmed case, 1,151 other cases came from traveling in the 14 days prior to becoming ill.

The province says that public health units in the Greater Toronto Area account for the majority of all cases at 54.4 per cent.

Quick facts on all COVID-19 patients in Ontario:

55.2 per cent of all patients in the province are female and 44.1 per cent are male – 49 cases did not specify male or female gender
2.3 per cent of all patients are 19 years of age or younger
24 per cent of all patients are between the ages of 20 and 39
33.6 per cent of all patients are between the ages of 40 and 59
23.8 per cent of all patients are between the ages of 60 and 79
16.2 per cent of all patients are 80 years of age or older
 
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