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Doug Ford Says There's No Way Teachers Will Get Raises Above 1%

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Doug Ford Says There's No Way Teachers Will Get Raises Above 1%

Ontario's public high school teachers are asking for raises tied to inflation.

By Emma Paling

TORONTO — There is no way Ontario’s teachers will get salary raises higher than one per cent a year, Premier Doug Ford said Thursday.

“We either stay stagnant and roll over like the previous Liberal government did, give the unions whatever they want, or we can be responsible and respect the taxpayers’ money,” Ford told reporters outside his office at Queen’s Park.

Ontario’s Progressive Conservatives passed a law in November that caps salary raises for all public sector workers at one per cent. All four of the province’s major teachers’ unions are challenging the bill in court.

“We can’t have rules for the heads of the unions that represent teachers and rules for everyone else in the province,” Ford said.

The premier’s comments come as all four unions have announced plans to take or escalate job action.

Three unions are planning one-day strikes next week — The Ontario Secondary School Teachers’ Federation (OSSTF), the Elementary Teachers’ Federation of Ontario (ETFO) and the Ontario English Catholic Teachers’ Association (OECTA). Teachers in the French school system start work-to-rule this week.

The unions say they are fighting the government’s proposals to increase class sizes and mandate online courses for high school students. The province, on the other hand, says it’s all about money.

“Make no mistake about it. This is about compensation,” Ford said Thursday.

“It’s the one per cent. If I came out tomorrow and said we’re going to give them another one per cent, this would be done. But we can’t do that.”

OSSTF has asked for raises tied to the cost of living, which increases about two per cent a year, and a six per cent funding increase for benefits.

Ford’s government says that would cost Ontario $294 million more per year by 2021/22 and the cost would balloon to $1.5 billion per year if all the other unions get the same thing.

Last week, the OSSTF offered to delay a one-day strike if the province guaranteed to keep class sizes at the 2018/19 levels.

“OSSTF’s proposal demonstrates that salary and wages are not the major issue at the table as continually claimed by the Minister of Education,” the union said on its website at the time.

Ford’s government initially said it would increase average high school classes from 22 students to 28 and force students to take four of their credits online. Education Minister Stephen Lecce later watered down those policies, proposing to increase class sizes to 25 students and lower the e-learning requirement to two courses.

The premier was asked Thursday if he would budge on those issues.

“We did,” he said. “We already did.”

https://m.huffingtonpost.ca/entry/doug-ford-teachers-strike-raises_ca_5e2097d0c5b673621f723919
 

HOLLYWOODG

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Ford should have broken them before Christmas and locked them out. Now the union's have all the leverage in negotiations.

Teachers have a really sweet gig. There are many unable to break into the profession because there are not enough openings.

If the teachers currently employed are unhappy with their compensation do what everyone else does- find another job or profession!!!!
 

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Ford should have broken them before Christmas and locked them out. Now the union's have all the leverage in negotiations.

Teachers have a really sweet gig. There are many unable to break into the profession because there are not enough openings.

If the teachers currently employed are unhappy with their compensation do what everyone else does- find another job or profession!!!!
This strike won't be about wages, not even about cost of living/inflation.
Its going to be about cuts to education that make it worse for kids, online courses, bigger classes, fewer courses, fewer specialized teachers.

Ford will become even less popular than he is now if they strike.
 

bver_hunter

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Doug Ford’s Education Minister Can’t Explain How His Own Education Reforms Benefit Kids During Trainwreck Interview:

Even Education Minister Stephen Lecce can’t explain the benefits of Doug Ford’s ‘Alabama-style’ education reforms.

Just how bad are the new “Alabama”-style education reforms being forced onto Ontario high school students by Premier Doug Ford?

Well, even Education Minister Stephen Lecce seems unable to point to any concrete educational benefits for students as a result of the plan.

Ford’s government wants to eliminate several thousand jobs for human teachers and replace them with cheap American-style online learning courses.

Educators call Ford’s plan “ludicrous,” noting it has no educational benefits and the Republican states Ford has pointed to as models are already reversing course after they saw student test scores plummet.

In an interview with CBC Radio’s Ottawa Morning Thursday morning, Lecce seemed to become a little grumpy when he was asked to provide “evidence that (Ford’s e-learning plan) is effective as a learning method.”

Host Robyn Bresnahan repeatedly pressed Lecce to name any “pedagogical studies” that support the idea “e-learning is superior or even as good as classroom learning.”

Lecce initially suggested “job creators” told him that the “status quo” is unacceptable, given youth unemployment in Doug Ford’s Ontario.

“You’re saying this is what employers want,” Bresnahan said, pushing back. “But what about for those in the classroom?”

After Bresnahan challenged Lecce once again for trying to dodge a simple question, Ford’s education minister became a little snippy:

“I think, Robin, I have answered the question. I’m happy to have this exchange more, but I think after a minute eighteen of this interview, I think I provided clarity to the people why there’s benefits to embracing technology in the classroom and I hope that young people will continue to look online as a way to strengthen education in this province…”
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The Ontario English Catholic Teachers’ Association, which represents teachers at Catholic high schools in Ontario, says it has one theory as to why Lecce could not provide Bresnahan with any evidence to support his policy.

“There is a reason why Minister Lecce is not able to offer any research or evidence showing the pedagogical benefits of mandatory e-learning,” OECTA president Liz Stuart told PressProgress.

“Because it does not exist.”

Stuart added that “there is no evidence to indicate that mandatory e-learning creates jobs,” and said “Minister Lecce’s claim that the government deserves credit for moving from a proposed four mandatory courses to two is ludicrous.”

“The government’s plan will have significant consequences for students, especially our most vulnerable,” Stuart stressed.

Ontario NDP education critic Marit Stiles told PressProgress that evidence shows “online-only learning” will instead “disadvantage kids from low-income families or rural areas without broadband at home.”

“And it lowers graduation rates and success rates among students,” Stiles added. “It’s such a bad plan, very few places have made online-classes mandatory.”

“This is yet another ploy to fire teachers and carve funding out of our children’s education.”

https://pressprogress.ca/doug-fords...rms-benefit-kids-during-trainwreck-interview/
 

Frankfooter

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Ha ha hang tough Mr. Premier!!

The unwashed ignorants will cry and post stupid pictures of stupid kids to try to sway your course! Resist!

MAKE ONTARIO GREAT AGAIN!
Some of us don't want the kids to become stupid.
 

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Teachers use and abuse their students. Many immigrant parents don't understand. Good move to refund them money for strike days lost. Taxpayers will make a tidy profit to for every day they stay off the job chachingohh! More money for other unions once he finishes them off. Knock 'em out Doug!
 

james t kirk

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This strike won't be about wages, not even about cost of living/inflation.
Its going to be about cuts to education that make it worse for kids, online courses, bigger classes, fewer courses, fewer specialized teachers.

Ford will become even less popular than he is now if they strike.
That's funny.

It's always about the money and anyone who believes anything else is a fool.
 

scouser1

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Wonder Boy Lecce cant find money for the kids especially those in special education but magically he found $48 million a day to bribe parents to turn them against teachers. But then again an unqualified dude who has never set foot dude in a public school is the perfect representation of this government.
 

rhuarc29

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This strike won't be about wages, not even about cost of living/inflation.
Its going to be about cuts to education that make it worse for kids, online courses, bigger classes, fewer courses, fewer specialized teachers.
:rofl:

Yes, yes, teachers do like to trot out the kids whenever they want something. If it was about the kids, teachers, with their ridiculous salaries, would accept a pay freeze for the next five years in exchange for keeping the status quo in other areas, such as with class sizes. And maybe at some point we'll have the money to update the tech, textbooks, and other equipment they can use as well.
 

Dutch Oven

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That's funny.

It's always about the money and anyone who believes anything else is a fool.
^^^^^^This.

Adults with adult responsibilities do not go on strike over nebulous theories about how much the quality of education is affected by increasing class size by a couple of students, or the introduction of more self study education. Only a ridiculous irresponsible zealot would do that, and that category accounts for only a small percentage of teachers.
 

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Insidious Von

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My logical half wants to support the teachers but, to this day, I can't scourge up any sympathy for them..

I spent my first year of education in Italy then immigrated to Toronto. I never saw the level of violence (psychological, physical and sexual) that teachers perpetrated on the children. Not only that but they condoned the bullying that turned school life into chaos. Granted there were some teachers that cared, they were nullified by the brown outs and pedophiles. Lunch room was the worst, I remember a bully wanted my lunch, he was hungry, the school didn't provide any. So I punched him flush on the jaw, he just stood there glassy eyed and drooling. Some of the classes got out of control, the Principal would shut the class down and disperse the kids to other school. One year I had to take two buses to get to school. Maybe most of that has been controlled today, I doubt it.

When I went to school there were certain teachers that would hurt the children any way they could.
By pouring their derision on anything we did.
Exposing every weakness, no matter how carefully hid by the kids. Roger Waters - The Wall.

....how can you have any pudding if you don't take your meat.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5uyu5WLupY
 

bver_hunter

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Then you shouldn’t have voted Liberals! Full stop. Period. Finally clear heads prevail and Premier Doug Ford will make our kids great again in a Great Conservative North America!
So who educated you then??
 

bver_hunter

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Typical NDP'er household - they don't shovel their driveway or walk, or put down any de-icer. Bad neighbours.
These children are smarter than Dumb DOFO. When was the last time that Ford raised a hand on his shovel??

No wonder his popularity is dropping far more rapidly than Wynne's did. At least she got re-elected. No way this not very smart Dumb DOFO will!!
 

danmand

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My logical half wants to support the teachers but, to this day, I can't scourge up any sympathy for them..

I spent my first year of education in Italy then immigrated to Toronto. I never saw the level of violence (psychological, physical and sexual) that teachers perpetrated on the children. Not only that but they condoned the bullying that turned school life into chaos. Granted there were some teachers that cared, they were nullified by the brown outs and pedophiles. Lunch room was the worst, I remember a bully wanted my lunch, he was hungry, the school didn't provide any. So I punched him flush on the jaw, he just stood there glassy eyed and drooling. Some of the classes got out of control, the Principal would shut the class down and disperse the kids to other school. One year I had to take two buses to get to school. Maybe most of that has been controlled today, I doubt it.

When I went to school there were certain teachers that would hurt the children any way they could.
By pouring their derision on anything we did.
Exposing every weakness, no matter how carefully hid by the kids. Roger Waters - The Wall.

....how can you have any pudding if you don't take your meat.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5uyu5WLupY
I have to agree with you. I had my education in Denmark. After having seen the educational system here, I sent my children to private schools, and overseas for University education.

It was expensive, but I would rather give my children a good education than a pot of money.
 

james t kirk

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Well, I maintain that it's all about the money. Always is.

If the teachers are so altruistic, are genuinely worried about having 2 or 3 more kids in their classes, or the loss of some useless artsie fartsie classes in high schools, the solution is simple....

A 5% percent pay cut across the board.

That will save far more money than any of Fords so called, "cuts" and will guarantee that there are more useless courses to be offered than ever before and they can REDUCE class sizes from where they were before Ford.

I'd bet everything I own that the teachers would NEVER, EVER go for it.

5 measly percent.

Wake me up when it happens.
 

bver_hunter

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Well, I maintain that it's all about the money. Always is.

If the teachers are so altruistic, are genuinely worried about having 2 or 3 more kids in their classes, or the loss of some useless artsie fartsie classes in high schools, the solution is simple....

A 5% percent pay cut across the board.

That will save far more money than any of Fords so called, "cuts" and will guarantee that there are more useless courses to be offered than ever before and they can REDUCE class sizes from where they were before Ford.

I'd bet everything I own that the teachers would NEVER, EVER go for it.

5 measly percent.

Wake me up when it happens.
Would you be okay with a 5% pay cut??
 
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