Only Three Months Left For Planet Earth( and other false doomsday predictions)

[canada-man]

You're starting to get it.
High carbon tax will make things more expensive, things that use fossil fuels.
That's the point.

That only took 11 pages.
So how many more before you understand the basics of the science?

Making stuff more expensive will not reduce the use of fossil fuels. And when are you going to give your use of fossil fuels. Practice what you preach don't be a hypocrite

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

Just a few flurries, they said. Accumulations less than 1 millimeter, they said.
I measured the snow, its at least 5 centimeters.

How the fuck can they predict climate 50 years from now if they cant even predict the weather a day in advance???


Pic taken from my car around 3pm today

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

Making stuff more expensive will not reduce the use of fossil fuels

Of course not. It will just cause higher inflation

 

[canada-man]

On January 10, 1939 – Melbourne was 113 degrees, nine degrees warmer than this month’s hottest temperature.


upload pic

https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/68533670/6691547#

 

[Frankfooter]

Making stuff more expensive will not reduce the use of fossil fuels.

Sigh.
If gas is more expensive people will use it less as they can.
Really, you can't follow this?

 

[Frankfooter]

On January 10, 1939 – Melbourne was 113 degrees, nine degrees warmer than this month’s hottest temperature.

You missed the point again.
This record heat was for the entire country, not one city.
The entire country of Australia hit a record temp.

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

Have a look at this article from 1989. Sound familiar?? :spit:

I highlighted the fun parts in red :nod:

https://apnews.com/bd45c372caf118ec99964ea547880cd0

U.N. Predicts Disaster if Global Warming Not Checked

A senior U.N. environmental official says entire nations could be wiped off the face of the Earth by rising sea levels if the global warming trend is not reversed by the year 2000.

Coastal flooding and crop failures would create an exodus of ″eco- refugees,′ ′ threatening political chaos, said Noel Brown, director of the New York office of the U.N. Environment Program, or UNEP.

He said governments have a 10-year window of opportunity to solve the greenhouse effect before it goes beyond human control.

As the warming melts polar icecaps, ocean levels will rise by up to three feet, enough to cover the Maldives and other flat island nations, Brown told The Associated Press in an interview on Wednesday.

Coastal regions will be inundated; one-sixth of Bangladesh could be flooded, displacing a fourth of its 90 million people. A fifth of Egypt’s arable land in the Nile Delta would be flooded, cutting off its food supply, according to a joint UNEP and U.S. Environmental Protection Agency study.

″Ecological refugees will become a major concern, and what’s worse is you may find that people can move to drier ground, but the soils and the natural resources may not support life. Africa doesn’t have to worry about land, but would you want to live in the Sahara?″ he said.

UNEP estimates it would cost the United States at least $100 billion to protect its east coast alone.

Shifting climate patterns would bring back 1930s Dust Bowl conditions to Canadian and U.S. wheatlands, while the Soviet Union could reap bumper crops if it adapts its agriculture in time, according to a study by UNEP and the International Institute for Applied Systems Analysis.

Excess carbon dioxide is pouring into the atmosphere because of humanity’s use of fossil fuels and burning of rain forests, the study says. The atmosphere is retaining more heat than it radiates, much like a greenhouse.

The most conservative scientific estimate that the Earth’s temperature will rise 1 to 7 degrees in the next 30 years, said Brown.

The difference may seem slight, he said, but the planet is only 9 degrees warmer now than during the 8,000-year Ice Age that ended 10,000 years ago.

Brown said if the warming trend continues, ″the question is will we be able to reverse the process in time? We say that within the next 10 years, given the present loads that the atmosphere has to bear, we have an opportunity to start the stabilizing process.″

He said even the most conservative scientists ″already tell us there’s nothing we can do now to stop a ... change″ of about 3 degrees.

″Anything beyond that, and we have to start thinking about the significant rise of the sea levels ... we can expect more ferocious storms, hurricanes, wind shear, dust erosion.″

He said there is time to act, but there is no time to waste.

UNEP is working toward forming a scientific plan of action by the end of 1990, and the adoption of a global climate treaty by 1992. In May, delegates from 103 nations met in Nairobi, Kenya - where UNEP is based - and decided to open negotiations on the treaty next year.

Nations will be asked to reduce the use of fossil fuels, cut the emission of carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gases such as methane and fluorocarbons, and preserve the rain forests.

″We have no clear idea about the ecological minimum of green space that the planet needs to function effectively. What we do know is that we are destroying the tropical rain forest at the rate of 50 acres a minute, about one football field per second,″ said Brown.

Each acre of rain forest can store 100 tons of carbon dioxide and reprocess it into oxygen.

Brown suggested that compensating Brazil, Indonesia and Kenya for preserving rain forests may be necessary.

The European Community istalking about a half-cent levy on each kilowatt- hour of fossil fuels to raise $55 million a year to protect the rain forests, and other direct subsidies may be possible, he said.

The treaty could also call for improved energy efficiency, increasing conservation, and for developed nations to transfer technology to Third World nations to help them save energy and cut greenhouse gas emissions, said Brown

 

[Frankfooter]

Have a look at this article from 1989. Sound familiar?? :spit:

I highlighted the fun parts in red :nod:

https://apnews.com/bd45c372caf118ec99964ea547880cd0

They were spot on, weren't they?
We didn't act and now we have 1ºC warming and are on target to hit 4-6ºC warming because we didn't act.
We will hit 1.5ºC almost certainly and only drastic action will keep us from 2ºC, which will create massive change.

Thanks for reminding us how long fools like you have been ignoring science and their warnings.

 

[Ginomore]

They were spot on, weren't they?
We didn't act and now we have 1ºC warming and are on target to hit 4-6ºC warming because we didn't act.
We will hit 1.5ºC almost certainly and only drastic action will keep us from 2ºC, which will create massive change.

Thanks for reminding us how long fools like you have been ignoring science and their warnings.

I agree that you need to act.
Disconnect your home from electricity and natural gas and get rid of your suv quick before it’s too late.

 

[Frankfooter]

I agree that you need to act.
Disconnect your home from electricity and natural gas and get rid of your suv quick before it’s too late.

Exactly why we need a carbon tax, so that we act.
Only way it'll get done.

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

Have a look at this article from 1989. Sound familiar?? :spit:

I highlighted the fun parts in red :nod:

https://apnews.com/bd45c372caf118ec99964ea547880cd0

U.N. Predicts Disaster if Global Warming Not Checked

A senior U.N. environmental official says entire nations could be wiped off the face of the Earth by rising sea levels if the global warming trend is not reversed by the year 2000.

Coastal flooding and crop failures would create an exodus of ″eco- refugees,′ ′ threatening political chaos, said Noel Brown, director of the New York office of the U.N. Environment Program, or UNEP.

He said governments have a 10-year window of opportunity to solve the greenhouse effect before it goes beyond human control.

As the warming melts polar icecaps, ocean levels will rise by up to three feet, enough to cover the Maldives and other flat island nations, Brown told The Associated Press in an interview on Wednesday.

Coastal regions will be inundated; one-sixth of Bangladesh could be flooded, displacing a fourth of its 90 million people. A fifth of Egypt’s arable land in the Nile Delta would be flooded, cutting off its food supply, according to a joint UNEP and U.S. Environmental Protection Agency study.

″Ecological refugees will become a major concern, and what’s worse is you may find that people can move to drier ground, but the soils and the natural resources may not support life. Africa doesn’t have to worry about land, but would you want to live in the Sahara?″ he said.

UNEP estimates it would cost the United States at least $100 billion to protect its east coast alone.

Shifting climate patterns would bring back 1930s Dust Bowl conditions to Canadian and U.S. wheatlands, while the Soviet Union could reap bumper crops if it adapts its agriculture in time, according to a study by UNEP and the International Institute for Applied Systems Analysis.

Excess carbon dioxide is pouring into the atmosphere because of humanity’s use of fossil fuels and burning of rain forests, the study says. The atmosphere is retaining more heat than it radiates, much like a greenhouse.

The most conservative scientific estimate that the Earth’s temperature will rise 1 to 7 degrees in the next 30 years, said Brown.

The difference may seem slight, he said, but the planet is only 9 degrees warmer now than during the 8,000-year Ice Age that ended 10,000 years ago.

Brown said if the warming trend continues, ″the question is will we be able to reverse the process in time? We say that within the next 10 years, given the present loads that the atmosphere has to bear, we have an opportunity to start the stabilizing process.″

He said even the most conservative scientists ″already tell us there’s nothing we can do now to stop a ... change″ of about 3 degrees.

″Anything beyond that, and we have to start thinking about the significant rise of the sea levels ... we can expect more ferocious storms, hurricanes, wind shear, dust erosion.″

He said there is time to act, but there is no time to waste.

UNEP is working toward forming a scientific plan of action by the end of 1990, and the adoption of a global climate treaty by 1992. In May, delegates from 103 nations met in Nairobi, Kenya - where UNEP is based - and decided to open negotiations on the treaty next year.

Nations will be asked to reduce the use of fossil fuels, cut the emission of carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gases such as methane and fluorocarbons, and preserve the rain forests.

″We have no clear idea about the ecological minimum of green space that the planet needs to function effectively. What we do know is that we are destroying the tropical rain forest at the rate of 50 acres a minute, about one football field per second,″ said Brown.

Each acre of rain forest can store 100 tons of carbon dioxide and reprocess it into oxygen.

Brown suggested that compensating Brazil, Indonesia and Kenya for preserving rain forests may be necessary.

The European Community istalking about a half-cent levy on each kilowatt- hour of fossil fuels to raise $55 million a year to protect the rain forests, and other direct subsidies may be possible, he said.

The treaty could also call for improved energy efficiency, increasing conservation, and for developed nations to transfer technology to Third World nations to help them save energy and cut greenhouse gas emissions, said Brown

So just to follow up on this, entire nations have been wiped off the face of the Earth by rising sea levels, polar icecaps have melted and ocean levels have risen by 3 feet, enough to cover the Maldives. Earth’s temperature has also risen by 7 degrees.

Turns out the experts were right

 

[Frankfooter]

So just to follow up on this, entire nations have been wiped off the face of the Earth by rising sea levels, polar icecaps have melted and ocean levels have risen by 3 feet, enough to cover the Maldives. Earth’s temperature has also risen by 7 degrees.

Turns out the experts were right

Those projections were for 2100, phil.
The only projections for today in that article are these, and it doesn't even say if its F or C.

The most conservative scientific estimate that the Earth’s temperature will rise 1 to 7 degrees in the next 30 years, said Brown.

Those predictions came true, we're now at about 1 or 1.2ºC warming since then (or about 2ºF).

All you've done is found an old article that made predictions that have been shown correct again.

Check the numbers since that article.

 

[Ginomore]

Exactly why we need a carbon tax, so that we act.
Only way it'll get done.

Carbon taxes do not have any effect on emissions.
Trudope admitted it himself.

 

[canada-man]

The climate cultists are now saying Families that eat out at restaurants and consume large amounts of sweets and alcohol are likely to have a higher carbon footprint than MEAT eaters

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/science...EAT-eating.html?ito=social-twitter_mailonline

 

[canada-man]

more climate cult bullshit

Is carbon dioxide making it harder to THINK straight? Rising CO2 levels may hinder cognitive function and could decrease decision-making efficiency by 50 PERCENT in 2100, study says

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/science...hink-decrease-decision-making-efficiency.html

BS... Nuclear Submarines are underwater for extended periods of time, with upwards of 8000 ppm of CO2 traveling in and out of the lungs of some of the best tacticians and nuclear operators in the world. Trust me, they're doing just fine.

 

[Frankfooter]

more climate cult bullshit

Is carbon dioxide making it harder to THINK straight? Rising CO2 levels may hinder cognitive function and could decrease decision-making efficiency by 50 PERCENT in 2100, study says

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/science...hink-decrease-decision-making-efficiency.html

BS... Nuclear Submarines are underwater for extended periods of time, with upwards of 8000 ppm of CO2 traveling in and out of the lungs of some of the best tacticians and nuclear operators in the world. Trust me, they're doing just fine.

Time for you to prove this theory.
Back to the plastic bag, duct tape experiment.

Though, judging from your posts, your basement apartment may not be well ventilated already.

 

[canada-man]

Time for you to prove this theory.
Back to the plastic bag, duct tape experiment.

Though, judging from your posts, your basement apartment may not be well ventilated already.

Acute Exposure to Low-to-Moderate Carbon Dioxide Levels and Submariner Decision Making.
Rodeheffer CD, Chabal S, Clarke JM, Fothergill DM.
Erratum in

Erratum. [Aerosp Med Hum Perform. 2018]

Abstract
BACKGROUND:

Submarines routinely operate with higher levels of ambient carbon dioxide (CO2) (i.e., 2000 - 5000 ppm) than what is typically considered normal (i.e., 400 - 600 ppm). Although significant cognitive impairments are rarely reported at these elevated CO2 levels, recent studies using the Strategic Management Simulation (SMS) test have found impairments in decision-making performance during acute CO2 exposure at levels as low as 1000 ppm. This is a potential concern for submarine operations, as personnel regularly make mission-critical decisions that affect the safety and efficiency of the vessel and its crew while exposed to similar levels of CO2. The objective of this study was to determine if submariner decision-making performance is impacted by acute exposure to levels of CO2 routinely present in the submarine atmosphere during sea patrols.
METHODS:

Using a subject-blinded balanced design, 36 submarine-qualified sailors were randomly assigned to receive 1 of 3 CO2 exposure conditions (600, 2500, or 15,000 ppm). After a 45-min atmospheric acclimation period, participants completed an 80-min computer-administered SMS test as a measure of decision making.

RESULTS:

There were no significant differences for any of the nine SMS measures of decision making between the CO2 exposure conditions.
DISCUSSION:

In contrast to recent research demonstrating cognitive deficits on the SMS test in students and professional-grade office workers, we were unable to replicate this effect in a submariner population-even with acute CO2 exposures more than an order of magnitude greater than those used in previous studies that demonstrated such effects.Rodeheffer CD, Chabal S, Clarke JM, Fothergill DM. Acute exposure to low-to-moderate carbon dioxide levels and submariner decision making. Aerosp Med Hum Perform. 2018; 89(6):520-525.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/29789085

apparently climate cultists know nothing about submarines

 

[canada-man]

 

[Frankfooter]

Acute Exposure to Low-to-Moderate Carbon Dioxide Levels and Submariner Decision Making.
Rodeheffer CD, Chabal S, Clarke JM, Fothergill DM.
Erratum in

All that shows is that its possible that the damage is permanent from CO2 levels.
One old study doesn't make a solid case, you should know.

There are multiple studies that show cognitive issues with high CO2 levels.
I'd suggest you test out your theory, but I don't know if we'd ever be able to tell if your posts got less intelligent.
https://www.zmescience.com/science/carbon-dioxide-mental-capacity-13542134/

 

[canada-man]

All that shows is that its possible that the damage is permanent from CO2 levels.
One old study doesn't make a solid case, you should know.

There are multiple studies that show cognitive issues with high CO2 levels.
I'd suggest you test out your theory, but I don't know if we'd ever be able to tell if your posts got less intelligent.
https://www.zmescience.com/science/carbon-dioxide-mental-capacity-13542134/

still refusing to talk about High CO2 levels in sumbarines. cult members refuse to look at stuff that disagree with them.


Evaluation of submarine atmospheres: effects of carbon monoxide, carbon dioxide and oxygen on general toxicology, neurobehavioral performance, reproduction and development in rats. I. Subacute exposures.

Abstract

The inhalation toxicity of submarine contaminants is of concern to ensure the health of men and women aboard submarines during operational deployments. Due to a lack of adequate prior studies, potential general, neurobehavioral, reproductive and developmental toxicity was evaluated in male and female rats exposed to mixtures of three critical submarine atmospheric components: carbon monoxide (CO) and carbon dioxide (CO2; levels elevated above ambient), and oxygen (O2; levels decreased below ambient). In a 14-day, 23 h/day, whole-body inhalation study of exposure to clean air (0.4 ppm CO, 0.1% CO2 and 20.6% O2), low-dose, mid-dose and high-dose gas mixtures (high dose of 88.4 ppm CO, 2.5% CO2 and 15.0% O2), no adverse effects on survival, body weight or histopathology were observed. Reproductive, developmental and neurobehavioral performance were evaluated after a 28-day exposure in similar atmospheres. No adverse effects on estrus phase, mating, gestation or parturition were observed. No developmental or functional deficits were observed in either exposed parents or offspring related to motor activity, exploratory behavior or higher-level cognitive functions (learning and memory). Only minimal effects were discovered in parent-offspring emotionality tests. While statistically significant increases in hematological parameters were observed in the offspring of exposed parents compared to controls, these parameters remained within normal clinical ranges for blood cells and components and were not considered adverse. In summary, subacute exposures to elevated concentrations of the submarine atmosphere gases did not affect the ability of rats to reproduce and did not appear to have any significant adverse health effects.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25600219



It’s also interesting that the U.S. Navy says average CO2 concentrations 3,500 parts per million (ppm) on submarines