Right-wing terrorism vs. Islamic terrorism - which one is the greater global threat??

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Sectarian violence is not terrorism. There is a difference.
This thread is nothing but a bunch of right wing propaganda.
 

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Phil C. McNasty

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If it is true that they are Supremacists, that would make them right wing
Nope

https://pluralist.com/fbi-white-supremacy-leaked-documents/

Links to FBI report:
https://tyt.com/stories/4vZLCHuQrYE4uKagy0oyMA/mnzAKMpdtiZ7AcYLd5cRR
https://www.scribd.com/document/421...-20-and-Threat-Guidance-for-Racial-Extremists


Leaked FBI Report Shows Left-Wingers Are a Bigger Threat Than White Supremacists

With liberals sounding the alarm about a supposed revival of white supremacy, a leaked report suggests that the FBI is actually more concerned about left-wing extremists.

The FBI’s 2018-2019 Consolidated Strategy Guide, an annual summary of the agency’s security priorities, was released Thursday by The Young Turks, a leftist media network. According to the internal report, the FBI is worried about an “elevated” and possibly “growing threat” from “black identity extremists,” or “BIEs.”

A rise in racialized attacks on law enforcement officials first came to the FBI’s attention following the 2014 shooting of Michael Brown in Ferguson, Missouri, and the subsequent acquittal of the officers involved, the report said.

“The FBI judges BIE perceptions of police brutality against African Americans have likely motivated acts of pre-meditated, retaliatory lethal against law enforcement in 2016 and will continue to serve as justification for violent incidents,” the document said. “While BIEs target white law enforcement officers, all law enforcement officers are considered BIE targets for their participation in this perceived unjust system. BIEs often view African American police officers as race traitors.”


According to the report, other black identity extremists seek to establish “a separate black homeland” or at least autonomy for blacks within the United States.

The FBI in part blamed black anti-law enforcement violence on heavy media coverage of police brutality. The agency said it has responded by launching a counterintelligence program called “Iron First,” but it provided few details.

Why the FBI isn’t too worried about white supremacy

When it comes to the supposed scourge of white supremacy, by contrast, the FBI identified only a “medium threat.” The agency noted that white supremacist groups are in longterm decline and predicted that their membership will continue to fall throughout 202o.

“The FBI further judges ongoing attrition of national organized white supremacy extremist groups will continue over the next year, yielding a white supremacy extremist movement primarily characterized by locally organized groups, small cells, and lone offenders,” the report says.

Also flagged as security threats were “animal rights” and “environmental extremists,” along with Islamist terrorists and abortion extremists
 

Phil C. McNasty

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Black Supremacists kill 3 in Jersey City attack on Kosher Market. Plus 1 policeman at cemetery. https://gellerreport.com/2019/12/shooting-kosher-market-bomb.html/

Updated tally:

Muslims: 89 attacks - 1,209 deaths
Right-wingers: 2 attacks - 24 deaths
Left-wingers: 2 attacks - 14 deaths
Islamophobes: 0 attacks - 0 deaths
Spot on, KD

https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/jersey-city-shootout-developing-details-3-2/2239660/

The two people who stormed a kosher grocery store in Jersey City with rifles, killing three people inside and also murdering a veteran detective, have been identified as David Anderson and Francine Graham, four law enforcement sources familiar with the case tell News 4.

A senior law enforcement official says the attack is now being investigated as a possible hate crime.

Three sources say Anderson was a one-time follower of the Black Hebrew Israelite movement, a group whose members believe they are descendants of the ancient Israelites and may adhere to both Christian and Judaic beliefs.

The Southern Poverty Law Center has labeled the Hebrew Israelites a black supremacist group. Some sects within the movement are known for their fierce condemnations of white and Jewish people
 

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Why Did The Saudis Kill U.S. Sailors While Three Others Filmed It?


The U.S. military is training Saudi Arabian pilots here in States, who later leave to slaughter Yemeni civilians thousands of miles away. Unfortunately, some of that violence was turned against us, when a Saudi trainee killed three American sailors at Pensacola Air Station on December 6.

In fact, a half dozen Saudis were arrested in the incident. Three of them apparently filmed the murders, presumably to post online. Yet afterward President Donald Trump spent more time justifying the Saudi royals than supporting the victims’ families.

Every time a terrorist commits murder and mayhem, Americans ask why? U.S. officials usually insist that it is because we are so “good.” If only.

Why terrorists kill should not be a mystery since they themselves tell us why. And none of them has said it is because the U.S. has the First Amendment, holds democratic elections, or leads the world in charitable giving.

Consider Mohammed Saeed al-Shamrani, the Saudi pilot-in-training at Pensacola. On Twitter he declared: “I’m against evil, and America as a whole has turned into a nation of evil.”

He explained: “I’m not against you for just being American, I don’t hate you because [of] your freedoms, I hate you because every day you [are] supporting, funding and committing crimes not only against Muslims but also humanity.” Al-Shamrani’s complaint is against U.S. foreign policy, which today so often means bombing, invading, and occupying other nations and killing their peoples.


Drones have become America’s newest form of warfare, on the upsurge under Trump. Alas, according to the New York Times: “Every independent investigation of the strikes has found far more civilian casualties than administration officials admit. Gradually, it has become clear that when operators in Nevada fire missiles into remote tribal territories on the other side of the world, they often do not know who they are killing, but are making an imperfect best guess.” Yet the administration has made it even more difficult to judge the impact of the attacks.

Almost a decade ago Faisal Shahzad, a Pakistani-born naturalized American citizen, attempted to set off a car bomb in New York City’s Times Square. Thankfully, he failed to set the timer properly. Then he waited two days to flee the country, giving authorities the time to identify and arrest him.

Ajani Marwat, the intelligence officer with the New York Police Department who investigated Shahzad, explained: “It’s simple. It’s American policies in his country. That’s it. Americans are so closed-minded. They have no idea what’s going on in the rest of the world. And he did know. Every time you turn on al-Jazeera, they show our people being killed.” A terrorist organizer in Pakistan told Marwat: “We don’t have to do anything to attract them. The Americans and the Pakistani government do our work for us. With the drone attacks targeting the innocents who live [here], the sympathies of most of the nation are always with us.”

At his September 2010 sentencing Shahzad declared himself to be “part of the answer to the U.S. terrorizing the Muslim nations. I’m avenging the attacks because the Americans only care about their people, but they don’t care about the people elsewhere in the world when they die.” He vowed that “until the hour the U.S. pulls its forces from Iraq and Afghanistan and stops the drone strikes in Somalia and Yemen and in Pakistan, and stops the occupation of Muslim lands, and stops killing the Muslims, and stops reporting the Muslims to its government, we will be attacking U.S.”

Federal judge Miriam Goldman Cedarbaum made the obvious point that he targeted civilians. Shahzad responded that in a democracy it was civilians who “select the government.” How about children, asked Cedarbaum? Shahzad answered: “Well, the drone hits in Afghanistan and Iraq, they don’t see children, they don’t see anybody. They kill women, children, they kill everybody. It’s a war, and in war, they kill people. They’re killing all Muslims.”

Terrorism has become a tool of many nationalist and separatist groups. Pakistani-backed Muslim Kashmiris who object to rule by Hindu India routinely rely on terrorism. So do Palestinians in territory long occupied by Israel. Russia suffered numerous attacks from Chechens, including by “Black Widows,” whose husbands died in Chechnya’s struggle for independence. Hindu Tamil Liberation Tigers targeted the dominant Buddhist Sinhalese in Sri Lanka, for a time becoming the most prolific suicide bombers on earth, conducting 168 such attacks between 1980 and 2000.

So, too, has America become a target of this horror, though Washington policymakers prefer not to talk about the causes of terrorism.Consider the 1983 bombings of its embassy and Marine Corps barracks in Lebanon. The Reagan administration foolishly intervened in a multi-sided civil war to back the “national” government, which ruled little more than Beirut. After Washington launched air and naval attacks on opposing forces, Lebanese Muslims saw aggression, not liberty, and responded accordingly.

In the 1993 World Trade Center bombing, Ramzi Yousef cited Washington’s use of sanctions to kill Iraqi children as motivation for his actions. He uncannily anticipated then-UN Ambassador Madeleine Albright who, three years later, was asked on 60 Minutes about the sanctions-induced deaths of a half million Iraqi kids. She replied chillingly: “We think the price is worth it.” She never did explain why “we” were authorized to make that choice.

Polls found that large majorities of Arabs and Muslims shared these criticisms of U.S. policy despite expressing admiration for American values and products. University of Chicago’s Robert A. Pape found that terrorists almost always confronted foreign occupation. After studying more than 2,100 suicide attacks, he concluded that “overall, foreign military occupation accounts for 98.5 percent—and the deployment of American combat forces for 92 percent—of all the 1,833 suicide terrorist attacks around the world” between 2004 and 2009. The solution? Said Pape: “By ending the perception that the United States and its allies are occupiers, we can cut the fuse to the suicide terrorism threat.”

The horror of 9/11 made it almost impossible to question the official Bush administration meme that Americans were targeted because they were so good, virtuous, and free. But that simply wasn’t the case. That doesn’t mean the victims “deserved” what they got. Rather, there sometimes are awful consequences to terrible policies. With far greater reason than Washington wanted to admit, the attackers viewed a militarily interventionist America as being at war with them.

In 1996 bin Laden complained that “the people of Islam [have] suffered from aggression, iniquity and injustice imposed on them by the Zionist-Crusaders alliance and their collaborators,” and noted the blood “spilled in Palestine and Iraq” and the killings and interventions elsewhere. On multiple occasions he cited American support for Israel, sanctions against Iraq, and the military presence in Saudi Arabia. In an October 2004 video, he spoke of viewing dead Arab Muslims, after which it occurred to him that “we should punish the oppressor in kind—and that we should destroy the towers in America in order that they taste some of what we tasted, and so that they be deterred from killing our women and children.” Bin Laden was a moral monster, but he had a coherent and logical political objective, one inextricably tied to militaristic U.S. policies.

At least some top Bush administration officials understood the truth. After the Iraq invasion Deputy Secretary of Defense Paul Wolfowitz observed: “We can now remove almost all of our forces from Saudi Arabia. Their presence there over the last 12 years has been a source of enormous difficulty for a friendly government. It’s been a huge recruiting device for al-Qaeda. In fact if you look at bin Laden, one of his principle grievances was the presence of so-called crusader forces on the holy land, Mecca and Medina.”

Tragically, the Iraq war became another extremist recruiting bonanza. Indeed, studies in both Israel and Saudi Arabia found that most of Iraq’s terrorists were new recruits not previously part of the jihadist movement, who were drawn by the war to attack Americans.

The Pensacola murders similarly reflect America’s misguided foreign policy. It is the primary trigger for attacks on Americans.

Washington cannot escape the malign if unintended consequences of its actions. The U.S. regularly meddles in other nations’ affairs. Worse, it routinely invades, bombs, occupies, drones, and sanctions other countries. When outraged foreigners strike back, innocent Americans become targets.

The president should end our endless wars, as he promised. He should also rethink policies that make unnecessary enemies. The motto for statesmanship in this new age should be Hippocratic: first do no harm.

Doug Bandow is a senior fellow at the Cato Institute. He is a former special assistant to President Ronald Reagan and the author of several books, including Foreign Follies: America’s New Global Empire.
https://www.theamericanconservative...ill-u-s-sailors-while-three-others-filmed-it/
 

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22 massacred in DR Congo:

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2019...rn-dr-congo-rebel-attack-191215175750498.html


Updated tally:

Muslims: 91 attacks - 1,301 deaths
Right-wingers: 2 attacks - 24 deaths
Left-wingers: 2 attacks - 14 deaths
Islamophobes: 0 attacks - 0 deaths
About 147,000 people have been killed in the Afghanistan war since 2001. More than 38,000 of those killed have been civilians.
https://watson.brown.edu/costsofwar/costs/human/civilians/afghan

Right wing terrorism?
 

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You do realize your source quoted a war, correct?
Like many on the extreme left FF views wars against Muslim countries as imperialist terrorist actions.
 

Phil C. McNasty

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You do realize your source quoted a war, correct?
He doesn't know the difference between warfare and terrorism.

This is the kind of intellect you're dealing with :biggrin1:
 

Phil C. McNasty

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I think you need to be enlightened on what the definition of terrorism is. And the vast majority of those 38,000 civilians were massacred by the Taliban and other terrorist groups not US and allied troops.
I also want to add many of those deaths were from US collateral damage. The US tries hard to minimize civilian casualties because:

A: Civilians don't pose any real threat.
B: Every time you kill a civilian, all you do is just piss off one of their friends or relatives, who might then in turn become a terrorist themselves.

Terrorists on the other hand try to kill as many civilians as they possibly can.

There's your difference
 

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He doesn't know the difference between warfare and terrorism.

This is the kind of intellect you're dealing with :biggrin1:
The difference is targeting of civilians.
In Phil's case if the US targets and kills civilians its just warfare but if a Muslim does it then its terrorism.
So those 38,000 Afghan civilians killed don't count for Phil, for him they are all terrorists who deserved to die.
 

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The difference is targeting of civilians.
In Phil's case if the US targets and kills civilians its just warfare but if a Muslim does it then its terrorism.
So those 38,000 Afghan civilians killed don't count for Phil, for him they are all terrorists who deserved to die.
Except the US doesn't target and kills civilians it's not in their interest to do so as Phil described in post 535. Get a grip dude.
 

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I also wanna add almost every war around the world right now involves..........you guessed it........muslim countries:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ongoing_armed_conflicts

And who are most of those muslim terrorists fighting for?? You guessed it again.............Allah Ahkbar!!
Which brings me back to the thread title, which religion is the greater threat to world peace right now??!!

Map of current global conflicts and wars

 

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Except the US doesn't target and kills civilians it's not in their interest to do so as Phil described in post 535. Get a grip dude.
Sure, kirk.

The workers were sleeping on the mountainside where they had spent a long day harvesting pine nuts in eastern Afghanistan. Some were in tents, others lay outside under the stars, when the U.S. airstrike tore into them.

Only hours before the Sept. 19 strike, the businessman who hired them had heard there was a drone over the mountain and called Afghanistan’s intelligence agency to remind an official his workers were there — as he’d notified the agency days earlier.

“He laughed and said, ‘Don’t worry they are not going to bomb you,’” the businessman, Aziz Rahman, recalled.

Twenty workers were killed in the strike, including seven members of one family. A relative, Mohammed Hasan, angrily described body parts they found scattered on the ground, gesturing at his arm, his leg, his head.

“This is not their (Americans') first mistake,” said Hasan. “They say ‘sorry’. What are we supposed to do with ‘sorry?’ ... People now are angry. They are so angry with the foreigners, with this government.”
https://www.militarytimes.com/flash...grows-at-civilian-deaths-by-us-afghan-forces/

But civilian deaths caused by U.S. and Afghan government forces are rising, surpassing for the first time those caused by the Taliban and other insurgents, according to a U.N. report.

It found that U.S. and Afghan forces killed 717 civilians and injured 680 in the first six months of the year, up 31 percent from the same period in 2018. The Taliban and IS killed 531 and wounded 1,437, down 43 percent.
The US is now killing more civilians than the Taliban.
 

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