Nice try. Try again as you are comparing trained professionals with years of experience and school.
She already shares her costs with any lady so the cost figures that she provided are needed to split into two shares.
Do you get jealous of her yearly earnings? Most escorts make more then thier clients?
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I think if guys expended as much energy to get laid as they do trying to figure out what escorts make - which is no more anyone's business than what the hobbyist makes- we'd all be happier! My nomination for most useless thread of the decade ............
Lots of things in life can be both extremely challenging & deeply rewarding. I think what SWs and what I personally find egregious is the notion that it’s easy. That as a man, if only you’d been born with a vagina, you could do this so much better, make so much more etc. It’s a pretty dusty derogation of women’s labour and honesty tiresome.
You’re making a lot of assumptions here and I’ve seen the same in other posts too. Not all SW work this way. Some have day jobs, some have family responsibilities, some are full-time students, some have physical challenges like chronic pain, some don’t have a space to work out of, some book only one client at $700hr, or one multihour a few times a week, some are doing this just occasionally, some are dealing with a shit-storm of personal challenges, some are still building their business, some offer a very niche service, some are happy to live more simply in favour of free time.
So you’re saying everyone walks around in corsets & gstrings? Goes through four dozen pairs of stockings a year? That everyone carries three cell phones? That all ladies need regular fresh pedis for foot fetishes? I suppose anal bleaching falls into the average Joe column for you too.
If you want to shop at No Frills, that’s your prerogative but I’m willing to bet there are a lot of great guys over at Whole Foods and Puseteris. You threw out 400 hr; I’m curious how you think someone gets into that range and what type of clients they see?
As far as escorts wanting to underwrite a lifestyle choice, it really shouldn’t come as a surprise that this industry attracts people who enjoy all of life’s pleasures. We’re not church ladies. This isn’t an Amish compound. A lot of us are hedonists who like champagne and strawberries. And we like gents who bring us treats and spoil us a little. You’re welcome to book others who run a different business if this doesn’t suit your taste, but it suits the taste of many gentlemen who appreciate a woman who is both refined and naughty. And those who understand we risk a lot to get a lot.
You seem to want all escorts to run their businesses to suit you but we get to choose who we want to see and customize our offering to that client. You also seem the type who wants filet for hamburger prices and you think you can get it by cutting out the table cloths and silverware. And so I live for the day that you have to walk a mile in any of our stilettos. That chickens come home to roost and you have a client just like you. Believe me, this would be most hilarious to observe and quite an eye-opener.
Completely agree with you. You do it on your own term. Because you want to be low-volume, your fixed costs (hotel, advertisement, etc.) are a lot relative to the gross cash inflow you generate (agency always have competitive advantage when it comes to fixed costs). So, you may be netting $50K a year. But you chose it this way for your comfort, mental stability, convenience,etc. You chose to be part-time provider and you earn a fair part-time wage (by the way, the job that you do as advertiser of your own services or dispatcher answering calls/messages should be "billed" at standard wage for this job, i.e., at $15-$20 per hour in your "accounting" of your business profits). You could have earned $100K-$150K working for an agency having 4 clients a day/5 days a week/10 month a year. So, in a nutshell: full-time SPs earn decent money (not great, just decent), part-time earn as much as they want to considering the trade-off between their income and comfort. Fair pay for a fair job.
It is not about independent providers, it is about all SPs. As I try to explain, full-tiem agency girl can earn at least $100K/year doing 5 clients a day/5 days a week/10 month a year. Independent who chose to be low-volume (or who cannot find enough clients) earn less. Independent also have higher (in percentage term) costs than agency do. No argument here. But independent always have a choice of go back to an agency and work ful-time. So, if they do not want to, it means they are comfortable with less money for lower number (and, possible, different) clients.
Then why every time good Mirage girls come to town, they are fully booked? If agency girls can be fully booked and earn $150K a year while getting only $150/h per client (with $100K going to an agency), the fact that independent chose to remain independent and earn much less means that being independent has some perks (which, translating into labor force terms, their job is not a shard as job of an agency girl).
Completely agree. But for some reasons SP are not happy when we try to figure out how much they make or would be making if they wanted to maximise their net income given standard (for most Canadian) working hours. I am sure, most gents here are just curious, noone is mad, envy, or unhappy.
We’ve been trying our best to explain to you how it works, except you’re coming up with your own assumptions and conclusions rather than listening. That’s what’s been making me unhappy (can’t speak for others) not your curiosity. I’m happy to help educate folks on the SW world but only if they’re willing to listen.
I’m going to bow out of this now, you all have lots of info and opinions from real world sex workers now...
I completely understand your arithmetic. You cannot (or do not want) to get more than 10 clients per week, and it is OK. I am sure many other indis have the same problem as they have competitive disadvantage over agencies when it comes to advertising and fixed costs. What I am talking about is agency girls. Good (i.e., attractive, friendly, and with good service) agency girl can easily get 4 hour of clients a day, which with standard 2 holidays a week, 8 week vacation/holidays/seekdays a year, and $150 per "client hour" that she gets paid translats into $132K a year (and she has no expenses: they are covered by the agency that keeps $110 per client hour). Even with only 3 hours of clients per day it comes to $99K a year. And I doubt there are any agency girls that have less than 3 hours of clients during 8 hour shift: the agency will not tolerate such low return on their investment (advertisement, hotel, etc.) Indis are a different story, but any indi can go work for agency and make this $132k/year. If indies make less, it is because they chose to be an indi. I doubt anyone arguing this. So, some indi SW earn much less than $100K, but it is only because they chose to do so (i.e., chose to be an indi and/or too selective when it comes to clients and/or want to be low volume). Nothing wrong with this approach, but having 2 clients a day cannot be considered a full time job. 1-2 clients a day is a nice supplementary job to the regular job, nothing else. And I think, it is the reason indis charge more than agencies: their overhead (per client) is much larger, so, they operate in "monopolistioc competition" environment where they create an illusion of exclusivity and charge higher price to a small number of clients that believe in it. Nothing wrong with this business model except the demand is too low and, as a result, the indis de-facto become part-time employed.
P.S.: I am not buying that indis know their business better than a well-trained economist who may not know all the exact costs and realised demand, but can easily extrapolate general economics theories to this particular sector (which, actually, is not that different from any other economic sector).
Fall, what you are doing is the very definition of mansplaining. It’s extremely annoying and dismissive. We are not a bunch of rubes who just fell off turnip trucks. Please stop telling us how many clients we see or should see. Please stop selling agencies to us. Many providers are doing much better than agency ladies and/or left them for good reasons. You may have been invited to stick your nose in between some of our thighs for a session but you have not been invited to stick your nose into our businesses.
I am happy if most indis earn more than agency girls, and, since full-time agency girls earn around $130K/year, it means indis earn more than that. Go indis!!! But some indis say that they earn way less, so, I am just curious why? And if it is true, why not go work for an agency? My guess is that they like working as indis more despite less money. Why you are so rude? Where I am wrong? Which of my assumptions are wrong (note that 4 clients per day assumption is for the agency girl, not for indi). Noone telling you how many clients to have, we just pointing out that more clients means more money (hopefully), while less clients means better working conditions. There is a trade-off, which, for some reasons, SW do not want to admit to. Many indis want to work less but earn at least as much as hard-working agency girls. Some are successful at it, most note (the latter exit the industry). So, back to original questions: do indis who want to work full-time earn more than agency girls? If yes, how they can earn less than $100K when any decent full-time agency girl can get $130K?
Why??? Why it is OK to discuss average income of doctors, plumbers, cashiers, pizzashop owners, but not SPs? What is so special about SPs that their average income (not average income of individual SP, but average income of all full-time SPs) that make it so hard topic? Where is the logic???
First, I didn't say it was too much. I said it was much more then my own after 25+ working(university grade).
Second, she was working mostly for an Agency that are from Toronto but have some lady come to Ottawa.
Firstly, the fact that no human on earth would patronize a plumber with a 5 pages long forum thread on why they should join the staff of Rotorouter, pretty much answers your own question. Sex work is not an accepted business in Canada, we are treated as borderline criminals. Many clients complain that they fear being arrested and persecuted, but guess who is actually arrested and persecuted?
A few concepts you should educate yourself on before furthering any more discussions: marginalized communities, sex worker laws in Canada, underground economies, sex workers rights...
You assume we need your help, we do not. You assume a right to know, you have none. You assume who we see and who we don’t, but you do not know any of this information and it’s absolutely none of your bloody business. Basically, grow up. Sex work is fun and rewarding but it also incredible difficult and dangerous, not to you, but to us. Now stop patronizing me.
Dude...I didn't think you could do worse than your obsessing over getting MA extras, but here we are. How do you not see how this looks? I'm really amazed that the providers are even answering you.
Nothing else needs to be said.
Except that jealously is such an unattractive quality in all people and something one should strive against.
Well, Tara, you are one of the few, I think. I'm glad you are going about it the right way. I was just saying I think the vast majority don't. One of my favorite MP's, an asian woman, has two BMW's and takes great vacations. I don't think she files income tax. If she does, I'm certain it doesn't reflect her true income. That's the problem with cash businesses. Doesn't matter if you are a contractor, or an escort. That was my only point really.
Indi's economic model is not economically viable for most SPs: the cut that agency take is usually much less than what indis spend on fixed costs. Plus, if Sp want to work full time, it is much harder for indis to get enough clients. You say that when you pay $260, the agency take $100 and the girl gets $160 while in case of indi the SP get full $260. I see it in the way that when when agency girl gets $160 it is her money to keep, when indi gets $260, more than $100 goes toward costs.
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