Telling an Escort to Raise Her Rates

[Crimson Mire]

Why is this thread even continuing? Everybody's writing a bigass wall of text proving their shit that will only lead to nowhere.

It's easy. Clients don't get to decide how much an SP charges. It's her (or his) business not yours. If they charge $450/hour then so be it. Don't like it? Well then go see another SP who charges less. There shouldn't even be a discussion on this. If an SP thinks they charge too much then they will lower the prices by themselves.

Also what's with all the "nice guy" or "nice client" attitudes that's reeking so much in this thread? Typical manipulation tactic. You don't get a free pass on things just because you think you're a "nice client". So other SP's like you. Woo hoo. That means nothing.

 

[explorerzip]

IMHO, most social media posts (including Terb) are modern day graffiti in the alley or in the bathroom stall. To paraphrase the OP: what is the intelligence level of such a person that chooses to spend their time and energy talking about "graffiti?"

 

[squeezer]

Why is this thread even continuing? Everybody's writing a bigass wall of text proving their shit that will only lead to nowhere.

It's easy. Clients don't get to decide how much an SP charges. It's her (or his) business not yours. If they charge $450/hour then so be it. Don't like it? Well then go see another SP who charges less. There shouldn't even be a discussion on this. If an SP thinks they charge too much then they will lower the prices by themselves.

Also what's with all the "nice guy" or "nice client" attitudes that's reeking so much in this thread? Typical manipulation tactic. You don't get a free pass on things just because you think you're a "nice client". So other SP's like you. Woo hoo. That means nothing.

Give me a B, give me an E, Give me a T and an A plus add super in front of it! Yikes, this dude makes Ben look like Rambo.

 

[Euro Male]

Give me a B, give me an E, Give me a T and an A plus add super in front of it! Yikes, this dude makes Ben look like Rambo.

Ben? Rambo? :biggrin:

 

[futbolplaya]

At the risk of being accused of being a beta or a cuck. I don't see the issue with ladies charging whatever they'd like and letting the invisible hand of the market sort it all out. Do I think there's some organization going on, with a lot of ladies raising their rate at the same time? Sure, but collective organizing is one of the many tenants of capitalism. I'd love to pay less but who wouldn't? I equally think there's nothing wrong with a man and a SB agreeing on $200, $300, or even $1 for an overnight. If there's no coercion involved and everyone is benefitting from the arrangement then who are we to judge? I can see why SPs get mad at SBs for providing a very similar service, but I think they undervalue the ability for SBs to screen and choose their dates/gents.

Regarding screening information and booking, I've been burned in the past when I provided the full deposit of a date and ended up having the SP get drunk and belligerent on me. She even accused me of roofying her to boot!. But I guess that's what I get for hobbying in Niagara. (PM if you want details and to know what I did to rectify the situation). So I can completely understand why some gents are hesitant about it. Like all things I've had many successful experiences with screening and providing deposits but the one negative experience is all you remember.

All of that being said, look at the responses to this thread from Stefania, even my worst experience as a client pales in comparison to these stories. I've been out money before, but never been threatened or stalked. https://twitter.com/StefaniaVillaTO/status/1189556366173790208

Also, highly advise everyone on here to check out these podcasts from Sienna Hunter, helped me learn alot about an SPs perspective. https://www.buzzsprout.com/520450

 

[Crimson Mire]

Give me a B, give me an E, Give me a T and an A plus add super in front of it! Yikes, this dude makes Ben look like Rambo.

1) I'm not a "dude"

2) SP's can do whatever the fuck they want with their rates because it's their business. Their body their choice. They're the ones who's ultimately being affected by their prices not you so what gives you the right to dictate how much they should charge? Only thing you can do is just to see someone else if you're not happy about the rate. Seriously, this is like common sense.

What do you lose if you cannot see an SP? Nothing. What do they lose? Their money and their safety.

 

[squeezer]

At the risk of being accused of being a beta or a cuck. I don't see the issue with ladies charging whatever they'd like and letting the invisible hand of the market sort it all out. Do I think there's some organization going on, with a lot of ladies raising their rate at the same time? Sure, but collective organizing is one of the many tenants of capitalism. I'd love to pay less but who wouldn't? I equally think there's nothing wrong with a man and a SB agreeing on $200, $300, or even $1 for an overnight. If there's no coercion involved and everyone is benefitting from the arrangement then who are we to judge? I can see why SPs get mad at SBs for providing a very similar service, but I think they undervalue the ability for SBs to screen and choose their dates/gents.

Regarding screening information and booking, I've been burned in the past when I provided the full deposit of a date and ended up having the SP get drunk and belligerent on me. She even accused me of roofying her to boot!. But I guess that's what I get for hobbying in Niagara. (PM if you want details and to know what I did to rectify the situation). So I can completely understand why some gents are hesitant about it. Like all things I've had many successful experiences with screening and providing deposits but the one negative experience is all you remember.

All of that being said, look at the responses to this thread from Stefania, even my worst experience as a client pales in comparison to these stories. I've been out money before, but never been threatened or stalked. https://twitter.com/StefaniaVillaTO/status/1189556366173790208
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Good points but Stefania went off the rails again insulting every board member and I'm sure there are a few who lurk and are curious, even allow to be screened with their true identity (God help you) but after reading the rants, really?

1) I'm not a "dude"

2) SP's can do whatever the fuck they want with their rates because it's their business. Their body their choice. They're the ones who's ultimately being affected by their prices not you so what gives you the right to dictate how much they should charge? Only thing you can do is just to see someone else if you're not happy about the rate. Seriously, this is like common sense.

What do you lose if you cannot see an SP? Nothing. What do they lose? Their money and their safety.

You're right, you're not a dude! That is a compliment actually and I in no way want to compliment you at all.

Get it right, I have no will or intention to see any lady who wants a deposit or my personal information and is above a price I am willing to pay. That is not the issue and if you which I know you won't want to book any of them, have it! In the meantime take a chill pill and go back to your dark cave.

 

[Ben19]

At the risk of being accused of being a beta or a cuck. I don't see the issue with ladies charging whatever they'd like and letting the invisible hand of the market sort it all out. Do I think there's some organization going on, with a lot of ladies raising their rate at the same time? Sure, but collective organizing is one of the many tenants of capitalism. I'd love to pay less but who wouldn't? I equally think there's nothing wrong with a man and a SB agreeing on $200, $300, or even $1 for an overnight. If there's no coercion involved and everyone is benefitting from the arrangement then who are we to judge? I can see why SPs get mad at SBs for providing a very similar service, but I think they undervalue the ability for SBs to screen and choose their dates/gents.

Regarding screening information and booking, I've been burned in the past when I provided the full deposit of a date and ended up having the SP get drunk and belligerent on me. She even accused me of roofying her to boot!. But I guess that's what I get for hobbying in Niagara. (PM if you want details and to know what I did to rectify the situation). So I can completely understand why some gents are hesitant about it. Like all things I've had many successful experiences with screening and providing deposits but the one negative experience is all you remember.

All of that being said, look at the responses to this thread from Stefania, even my worst experience as a client pales in comparison to these stories. I've been out money before, but never been threatened or stalked. https://twitter.com/StefaniaVillaTO/status/1189556366173790208

Also, highly advise everyone on here to check out these podcasts from Sienna Hunter, helped me learn alot about an SPs perspective. https://www.buzzsprout.com/520450

Perfectly expressed couldn’t have said it better. People may disagree with your conclusions but can’t argue with the thought process

 

[futbolplaya]

Good points but Stefania went off the rails again insulting every board member and I'm sure there are a few who lurk and are curious, even allow to be screened with their true identity (God help you) but after reading the rants, really?

Didn't see that but I don't follow her twitter closely. I think insulting random board members is off putting, but my bigger pet peeve is ladies that will reveal contact information for any indiscretion. For example an SP in Vegas I followed on Twitter (forget her name since I unfollowed right after), posted a bunch of information about a potential client including a headshot just because he wrote a long introductory email. (Wasn't even creepy just came off like a dating site profile) I think ladies like that use personal information for any annoyance do other ladies a lot of disservice.

In general I think we all need to cool our jets, not all SPs (even ones that charge more than $250 and ask for booking information) are bad and not all TERB members are bad. (Otherwise this post wouldn't exist https://terb.cc/vbulletin/showthread.php?692529-Always-4everkasey)

 

[squeezer]

but my bigger pet peeve is ladies that will reveal contact information for any indiscretion. For example an SP in Vegas I followed on Twitter (forget her name since I unfollowed right after), posted a bunch of information about a potential client including a headshot just because he wrote a long introductory email. (Wasn't even creepy just came off like a dating site profile) I think ladies like that use personal information for any annoyance do other ladies a lot of disservice.

This is exactly why I am completely against personal information screening. Reference and board name isn't a big issue but work and real name is for me. You are trusting someone you've never met to be of sound mind and careful with your information even if a misunderstanding were to happen. A friend who was super anal about wearing a condom for his own peace of mind but as things happen in doggy the condom slipped off as he was becoming soft. Luckily the escort realized it wasn't intentional and nothing came of it but imagine one that doesn't and goes completely off the rails over an accident, now his name is all over social media. Perhaps the session which one spends over $500 is sub-par he wants to put it in a review because independants really answer to no one so a sub-par session, the only accountability is a review warning others. Will a pooner have the big enough stones knowing to warn others when she knows where he lives, works and sleeps, no, not happening. He will suck it up, cry about the money and time wasted and move on!

 

[Ben19]

This is exactly why I am completely against personal information screening. Reference and board name isn't a big issue but work and real name is for me. You are trusting someone you've never met to be of sound mind and careful with your information even if a misunderstanding were to happen. A friend who was super anal about wearing a condom for his own peace of mind but as things happen in doggy the condom slipped off as he was becoming soft. Luckily the escort realized it wasn't intentional and nothing came of it but imagine one that doesn't and goes completely off the rails over an accident, now his name is all over social media. Perhaps the session which one spends over $500 is sub-par he wants to put it in a review because independants really answer to no one so a sub-par session, the only accountability is a review warning others. Will a pooner have the big enough stones knowing to warn others when she knows where he lives, works and sleeps, no, not happening. He will suck it up, cry about the money and time wasted and move on!

These are valid. I do agree that there are downsides for the guys with the use of real ID not denying that. It does allow the girls to feel and be safer and maybe allow some to do the job whome normally would not feel comfortable doing it.

As a guy If your willing to accept those risks then go ahead and book if not don’t.

Me personally I don’t like uploading my real ID or giving my LinkedIn or work address. I have never done so. If you establish a good reputation with multiple independent references you rarely have to actually upload real ID.

 

[squeezer]

Me personally I don’t like uploading my real ID or giving my LinkedIn or work address. I have never done so. If you establish a good reputation with multiple independent references you rarely have to actually upload real ID.

Good on you Ben, glad to see you never have either.

 

[mandrill]

This is exactly why I am completely against personal information screening. Reference and board name isn't a big issue but work and real name is for me. You are trusting someone you've never met to be of sound mind and careful with your information even if a misunderstanding were to happen. A friend who was super anal about wearing a condom for his own peace of mind but as things happen in doggy the condom slipped off as he was becoming soft. Luckily the escort realized it wasn't intentional and nothing came of it but imagine one that doesn't and goes completely off the rails over an accident, now his name is all over social media. Perhaps the session which one spends over $500 is sub-par he wants to put it in a review because independants really answer to no one so a sub-par session, the only accountability is a review warning others. Will a pooner have the big enough stones knowing to warn others when she knows where he lives, works and sleeps, no, not happening. He will suck it up, cry about the money and time wasted and move on!

Yes, I am starting to see things in these terms too.

If you read Stefania's original post, she says the reason that the client was able to get away w writing a review which mentioned her tattoos was because she didn't have his real name and contact info. Think about that for a few seconds. Maybe the guy was a total dickhead about the tattoos and he should have taken them out of the review. But he shouldn't be outed over something like that.

There's a story on Twitter that I will post here in the next day or so about a guy in the US who gave out his real name and contact and who refused to pay a cancellation fee to an escort. It's a scary story about "what might happen to any of us".

 

[Ben19]

Yes, I am starting to see things in these terms too.

If you read Stefania's original post, she says the reason that the client was able to get away w writing a review which mentioned her tattoos was because she didn't have his real name and contact info. Think about that for a few seconds. Maybe the guy was a total dickhead about the tattoos and he should have taken them out of the review. But he shouldn't be outed over something like that.

There's a story on Twitter that I will post here in the next day or so about a guy in the US who gave out his real name and contact and who refused to pay a cancellation fee to an escort. It's a scary story about "what might happen to any of us".

I think in order for this whole real ID and deposit thing to work there needs to be a trust and that goes both ways. If providers are outing people for reasons that are not justified then yes that is a problem. But the SPs I use I do not have that concern but if as a collective the SPs want our trust they need to show it.

Having said that I have never uploaded by real ID and prefer not to. I have always been able to pass through screening with reputable references so far. I do not have any issue with people using their real ID its just something I don’t do due to my own personal biases. In my own line of work I am trusted with sensitive info of people and have gone through extensive training and measures to keep that safe. Ie I store documents in special drives with security measures and never access them in an unsecured network. I fail to even use standard email to my colleagues with those info. I don’t expect SPs to have the same security but I’m just using that to demonstrate my own personal bias. I don’t use that bias to hate on others I just simply avoid uploading real ID

By real ID I mean like driver liscense etc. I have used my name before with providers.

 

[squeezer]

If you're ever having a bad day, just remember: it could be worse. You could be a hobbyist spending all your time on a review board talking to other men in acronyms and bitching about women you'll never see. You'll feel better instantly!

this was a tweet from our esteem friend

my reply

If you're ever having a bad day, just remember: it could be worse. You could be an escort spending all your time on twitter talking to other escorts in acronyms and bitching about terbite you'll never see. You'll feel better instantly!

 

[Ben19]

If you're ever having a bad day, just remember: it could be worse. You could be a hobbyist spending all your time on a review board talking to other men in acronyms and bitching about women you'll never see. You'll feel better instantly!

this was a tweet from our esteem friend

my reply

If you're ever having a bad day, just remember: it could be worse. You could be an escort spending all your time on twitter talking to other escorts in acronyms and bitching about terbite you'll never see. You'll feel better instantly!

Why don’t you just reply to twitter directly.

 

[Euro Male]

Bros, we gotta let some of these guys Live & Learn . . . . .

Our Tribe . . . . . OAGRE, SQUEEZER, BLUERAY, LUVYEAH, DOGGYSTYLE, SPACEALIEN, FULLDECK, GREEKGOD, BRAZILIANGUY and others . . . .

Put out our SEND HOME MESSAGE . . . . . NO PERSONAL INFO! ----- NO DEPOSITS!

The ALPHA's who own their shit (Cock & Balls), 'Get It' ----- The BETA's will continue getting burned, feeling humiliated......crying quietly......suffer in silence

 

[Ben19]

Bros, let some these guys Live & Learn . . . . .

Our Tribe . . . . . OAGRE, SQUEEZER, BLUERAY, LUVYEAH, DOGGYSTYLE, SPACEALIEN, FULLDECK, GREEKGOD, BRAZILIANGUY and others . . . .

Have put out the SEND HOME MESSAGE . . . . . NO PERSONAL INFO ----- NO DEPOSITS

The ALPHA's who own their shit (Cock & Balls), 'GET IT'. The BETA's will continue getting burned, cry quietly, suffer in silence.

Hey man

I have never communicated with you since your on like another spectrum of communication which I don’t think I understand lol. But I get the sense your really into like being part of a group. Why don’t you like channel that energy into like a sports team or something. Instead of alpha your the Toronto Raptors. Beta is everyone else.

 

[squeezer]

Why don’t you just reply to twitter directly.

Some dude made an account using my name. I bet you 100 bucks he was blocked the minute he sent out his first tweet. Any discourse its an instant block..

follow this thread and watch a man because he's a man being attacked because he dare say he values his privacy and was wronged.

https://twitter.com/StefaniaVillaTO/status/1189971894981840900

I'll keep my twitter handle among the docile hoard of walkers.

 

[Euro Male]

Hey man

I have never communicated with you since your on like another spectrum of communication which I don’t think I understand lol. But I get the sense your really into like being part of a group. Why don’t you like channel that energy into like a sports team or something. Instead of alpha your the Toronto Raptors. Beta is everyone else.

Once again Sweetie, have to strip it down, spell it out for you like you're an infant child!

. . . . . . 'It's about us brothers having each others backs'. Simple