More than 200 charges laid in organized crime, human trafficking investigation: YRP

[dickydoem]

For those who are Torontocentric, this is how C36 is still being applied in southern Ontario in 2019

https://lfpress.com/news/local-news/four-men-charged-in-prostitution-sting-at-london-hotel

https://lfpress.com/news/local-news/five-men-charged-in-prostitution-stings-london-police

https://www.stthomastimesjournal.co...y-men-charged-in-st-thomas-prostitution-sting

https://windsorstar.com/news/local-news/windsor-police-sex-sting-leads-to-charges-against-six-men

And this cop who was charged committed suicide

https://lfpress.com/news/local-news/waterloo-cop-linked-to-london-prostitution-probe-scandal-dies

 

[lomotil]

With all the whoring going on in York Region, LE up there are inept and cannot touch the Asian triads or snake heads. Those guys arrested in the sting would stand out like a sore thumb in York Region. The charges for the most part will not stand up in court and will be tossed out.

 

[dickydoem]

Nothing to do with being Toronto-centric. If you're stupid enough to get caught up in a police sex sting operation you deserve to be charged. But if you book an hour with a well-reviewed independent or you book an hour with a girl through a reputable agency there's a very good chance that you're not going to meet up with an undercover cop. None of what you posted has anything really to do with C-36 either. Police were conducting sex stings against johns long before C-36.

Lots of communities don't have reputable agencies or well reviewed independents and how do they get this way without some going first into the unknown? Yes there were stings before c 36 but it has allowed them to continue and needs to be repealed as the Liberals talked about but never did. And yes, neither will the Conservatives. Base your vote on something else.

 

[Jasmine Raine]

Legalization just makes the government our pimps. And makes it worse for the community with all the regulations that will be enforced. Like the possibilities of keeping client records for government audits.

Decriminalization is the way to go.

As for the Johns sweeps listed - yes they happen. They happened before too. Usually in the areas of street walkers. And it is true that rural communities have it hard.

But the facts are that sex is not a right. Guys need to be careful and if you have to jerk off until you can find a reputable escort that is known not to be LE, then that is what you have to do.

Risk vrs reward.

 

[Jasmine Raine]

After the Bedford decision in 2013 (which resulted in Canada having no prostitution laws for a year) was the government your pimp? The government could have (and probably should have) just let it go. To be honest, no one would have noticed any difference if there were no prostitution laws. By "legalization" is meant having no laws on prostitution (on the legitimate and consensual exchange of money for sexual services) and allowing it to happen as it happens, with law enforcement being involved only when there are legitimate instances of people being forced into the trade.

With an election coming up, C-36 was a way for the Conservative Party to throw some red meat to their social conservative base (who were angry that abortion continued to be legal and same sex marriage continued to be legal) by saying - "Hey. Look what we did." It was political. I don't think the Harper Conservatives ever really seriously thought of enforcement against the legitimate sex trade. It was a statement.

Before C36, the government was arresting us. It was not legal.

And legalizing doesn't mean it is free of regulation. They just made weed legal a year ago today, there are still laws, rules and regulations for using, buying, carrying and selling it. There are more rules now that it is legal then before when it was illegal.

The same would happen if you legalized prostitution. Don't kid yourself. It would not be all sunshine and roses.

 

[Jasmine Raine]

On December 20, 2013 the Supreme Court of Canada ruled Canada's prostitution laws unconstitutional. Although in theory the Supreme Court said the law remained in place for a year until Parliament had a chance to address the issue, in practice as of that date there was no law against prostitution in Canada and there was no point to laying charges, because the law had been declared unconstitutional. Anyone charged would have simply referred to that unanimous (9-0) decision of the Supreme Court. C-36 made prostitution illegal again. The Supreme Court had already thrown out the law that had existed. So, it wasn't before C-36 that the government was arresting prostitutes (and johns) - it was before the Supreme Court's Bedford decision.

As for legalization, a more apt comparison for prostitution would be to under the table home renovators/roofers/electricians/plumbers, etc. The guy who fixed my roof and who I paid cash to isn't being regulated by the government for his under the table work. In fact he does it under the table to avoid regulation by government.

You are playing word games.

Before C36 the government was arresting SWs. That is how the Bedford case came about. Because she was ARRESTED.

When the laws were stuck down we ALL, SWs and hobbyist had 1 year reprieve from any arrest. Then C36 made the purchasing of sex illegal. That is the timeline. So yes BEFORE, with the exception of one year, sex workers were arrested for our profession. I'm sorry I didn't include that one year where nobody was being arrested. But then you wouldn't be able to play your word game if I hadn't done that.

As for the legalization, you can think it's going to just be like your home contractor who works under the table. But I and others know that that will not be the case. We know there will be more rules and regulations put into place that govern us and what we have to do as sex workers.

Some things would be better for the industry like getting tested regularly for STDs but at the same time, we will be forced to show those records, our medical records, to government body when we are independent persons running our own personal business. No other business would be subject to the invasions of our privacy. That is not like under the table workers at all. And those under the table escorts who will not comply with the legalization rules, will most certainly be busted.

But it's whatever; it is not happening and I'm good to agree to disagree with you. Besides, I don't like discussing things with people who like playing word games. Their intentions and word can never really be trusted.

 

[Jasmine Raine]

I don't mind disagreeing either, but I'm not playing word games and I don't understand why you would imply that I can't be trusted.

I'm saying that what would be ideal would be a return to the state of things as they existed between December 20, 2013 when the Supreme Court struck down Canada's prostitution laws and when C-36 came into effect on December 5, 2014. For that 11+ months, prostitution was effectively completely legal in Canada. That's a fact, not a word game. Before C-36, prostitution was legal for 11+ months. I'm referring to that very real 11+ months. Before Bedford it was illegal and people were being arrested.

Why do you feel the need to make accusations against my trustworthiness?

That would be Decriminalization, not legalization. Which is what I said. Which is what you are disputing and giving information stating that escorts we're not arrested before C 36. When in fact C 36 became what it became because an escort was arrested and challenged the laws.

I don't know why you played a word game. You chose to tell me that escorts we're not arrested before C 36. As a blanket statement. Now maybe you were confused and I think that's the case by the clarifications you've just made but at the time that you made that other post, I was only left to believe that you were playing some type of games based on what you wrote. Anyone who plays word games is untrustworthy in my opinion.

However now it seems as though actually agree.

But what you want is is decriminalization, not legalization. That timeframe, that reprieve when they were coming up with the new laws, Meant that there was no legal or illegal laws on the books meaning decriminalization.

Legalization would have laws on the books, would have rules and regulations for it, which would cause issues for both sex workers and hobbiest. And most of the rules and regulations that would be put in place would be put on sex workers And therefore make the government our pimps, telling us what to do, where we can do, when to do it, how we can do, etc.

 

[bigshot]

Get off your high horse!

If Scheer gets in this instances will be used to tighten the noose on the buyers, WHAT don't you understand!

The same things were said about the Conservative position when Harper was in power. There were members on this board who said that they were scared and would no longer visit escorts due to these new draconian laws. It made me laugh. I posted here at the time, stating that nothing was going to change and that there would be no crack down on those who choose the services of an SP.

I was right on two points. First, there was no crack down, and second, the army of TERB members continued on as usual. I seem to have been vindicated and so, to answer your question, I believe that I understand the situation well. If anyone here believes that any government will end the world's oldest profession, it is them who "don't understand".

Glamboy was trying to politicize the actions of police and that is wrong...

 

[Jasmine Raine]

I'm glad that we're now both on the same page of saying that we can agree to disagree. I don't want to fight. I'm a sweetheart.


I'm gonna leave it at that. Slow day at work, so time to slog through some paperwork and otherwise waste time on terb. But I have someone coming in to see me in about 10 minutes.

Are you talking about me??? You seem to know me so well.....

Oh! You were talking about you!

I guess we are a little more similar then we thought. I am also having a slow day at work AND I am a total sweetheart. In-person at least. TERB is another story. LOL

Have a great night. Thanks for the back and forth on the topic.

 

[TeeJay]

This is the part of the hobby that really bothers me

MORE THAN 300 CHARGES LAID AND HUMAN TRAFFICKING RINGS DISMANTLED IN PROJECT CONVALESCE

Investigators with the York Regional Police Special Victims Unit - Human Trafficking Section have laid more than 300 charges and arrested 31 people in Project Convalesce, a multi-provincial human trafficking and organized crime investigation.

In October 2018, an investigation began into a suspected pimp, Jonathan NYANGWILA, after two female victims of human trafficking contacted police after attempting to escape. The investigation led officers to identify a number of suspects believed to be involved in a large, multi-provincial, human trafficking ring run by organized crime. This group was also involved in frauds, drug trafficking and weapons offences.

On Thursday, October 10, 2019, arrest warrants and search warrants were executed in more than 30 locations across the Greater Toronto Area and in the Province of Quebec.

Photos and videos taken during the arrests and search warrant executions can be found here:

Through the investigation, officers identified 12 victims and determined that more than 30 women who were involved in the sex trade were associated to this group of suspects. The majority of the women came from Quebec but had been moved to Ontario and across Canada for sex trade purposes.

Despite enduring violent assaults, sexual assaults, torture and other degrading circumstances, many victims are too fearful to come forward and often deny the events completely. Officers will be continuing the work to assist these victims and connect them with support.

“York Regional Police will continue to offer assistance and support to the victims of violent human trafficking,” said Chief Eric Jolliffe. “I commend the officers involved in this investigation for their diligent work in dismantling this organized crime ring.”

York Regional Police would like to thank our partner agencies in this investigation - the Ontario Provincial Police, the Toronto Police Service, Peel Regional Police and The Équipe intégrée de lutte contre le proxénétisme (the Quebec Integrated Human Trafficking Task Force).

Members of the York Regional Police Special Victims Unit - Human Trafficking Section are continuing their aggressive efforts in combating human trafficking and the sexual exploitation of women and underage girls. In many cases, victims are forced into the sex trade through violence, threats of violence, coercion and trickery.

York Regional Police is committed to investigating all incidents relating to human trafficking and providing assistance to victims. Investigators are willing to speak with anyone involved in the sex trade who may be looking for a way out or who may require assistance to escape these dangerous circumstances.

For more information please contact Corporate Communications at 1-866-876-5423, ext. 2664

Yeah it really does border on the absurd does it not?

31 people had more than 300 charges (basically 10 charges per person) is beyond overkill
Esp since this huge investigation ID 12 "victims"

 

[Grimnul]

Yeah it really does border on the absurd does it not?

31 people had more than 300 charges (basically 10 charges per person) is beyond overkill
Esp since this huge investigation ID 12 "victims"

Swing and a miss!

 

[Jasmine Raine]

Swing and a miss!

Hahahahaha hahahahaha.

Oh that felt good. Thanks. I needed that laugh.

 

[HOLLYWOODG]

yes, this is the dark side of the hobby

This is the part of the hobby that really bothers me

Update: https://www.yrp.ca/en/Modules/News/index.aspx?newsId=94cee92a-4e33-4626-a0a4-4499ea77a923

Anybody watch the show Power (directed by 50 Cent). Jonathan Nyangwila is Ghost.

It must be an all-time high until you're incarcerated. Then the shine wears out!

 

[GameBoy27]

There are far more important issues in Canada to think about than the legal status of prostitution. It would be selfish of me to make this the issue which would decide my vote.

Well said. If you're basing your vote on a party's prostitution laws, you're about as narrow-minded as they come.

 

[Jasmine Raine]

Well said. If you're basing your vote on a party's prostitution laws, you're about as narrow-minded as they come.

But it should play a factor in showing what the party believes in. It helps to see where else they real havoc on your life and lifestyle.

For LGTBQ2 communities, seeing how the PC government handles prostitution and other taboo sexual exploits for lack of a better term, helps them see how they can be treated as there is a correlation between the two.

I don't think anyone should base on ONE factor. There should be many but to get a real idea of where the party lines fall and how the parties view things like this, can really help shape your viewpoint and therefore your vote.

 

[Grimnul]

Well said. If you're basing your vote on a party's prostitution laws, you're about as narrow-minded as they come.

Well, yes and no. In and of itself, it does appear a bit trivial, but here’s the thing: We’re on an escort review board, so presumably all or most of us here hobby. If we do indeed get more restrictive laws, and I’m not saying we 100% will, but IF, then people may start getting arrested. Now you have a criminal record, possibly even added to the sex offender database, and that is no small thing. It makes travelling difficult, if not impossible, it makes getting a job much harder, it is certainly not a trivial thing.

So yes, the legal status of prostitution may not be a major issue per se, but the consequences to all of us here are potentially extremely serious. That’s why, in my opinion, it should at least be a major consideration.

 

[squeezer]

Well said. If you're basing your vote on a party's prostitution laws, you're about as narrow-minded as they come.

Getting arrested because you decided to pay a lady to have sex with I believe is a very serious issue.

Correct me if I'm wrong but an arrest charge can really impoverish a successful businessman no?

Great, I saved a few dollars on a carbon tax but I just lost thousands on lawyers and now with my criminal record I'm out of business. Yup, thank God I voted for a Conservative government that dictates what I decided to do in the bedroom.

 

[SchlongConery]

The most interesting and notable thing I see in this bust is that it is basically just TWO women who went to the police after they tried to go indy from these guys. ALL the charges related to prostitution against each thug is limited to two counts each.

I suppose these two women coming forward helped take these parasites off the street (for a while) but there really has to be a better way to deal with the real problem of "trafficking". There s no doubt in my mind that asian prostitution is heavily trafficked in the true sense in that they bring girls into the country from abroad.

And if these cops can't get out to bust the pimps on drug charges when they see leolist ads that openly advertise "party supplies" are available, then that is just sad.

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

Well said. If you're basing your vote on a party's prostitution laws, you're about as narrow-minded as they come

The oldest profession in the world isnt going away anytime soon, regardless of who's in power

 

[Jasmine Raine]

The most interesting and notable thing I see in this bust is that it is basically just TWO women who went to the police after they tried to go indy from these guys. ALL the charges related to prostitution against each thug is limited to two counts each.

I suppose these two women coming forward helped take these parasites off the street (for a while) but there really has to be a better way to deal with the real problem of "trafficking". There s no doubt in my mind that asian prostitution is heavily trafficked in the true sense in that they bring girls into the country from abroad.

And if these cops can't get out to bust the pimps on drug charges when they see leolist ads that openly advertise "party supplies" are available, then that is just sad.

The fact that we all thought this was Asian agencies and found out it was not, is was was more interesting to me. We ALL know the amount of true human trafficking happening in the Asian market. I don’t understand why police are not focusing on that. That would be a bigger bust then this.