And today's mass shooting 11 dead in Virginia Beach Municipal Complex

[poorboy]

Even less reason to own a pistol BTW, how do you pistol whip someone without a pistol?

I think I've told you this before, but use the internet to find out about firearms, The FACTS are out there.

My takeaway from that post is that you cannot really think of any actual purpose for a pistol that does not involve harming a living entity and cannot be done with some other implement.

Without an answer, the debate is over. You lose.[/QUOTE]

I've already posted that there's worldwide sport shooting organizations out there with tens of thousands of members and that shooting is an Olympic sport. You just choose to ignore it. You saying something over and over again doesn't' make it a fact.

If anyone is a loser, it's you because you aren't looking at facts. Use the internet. Government published statistics and articles from reputable sources with facts and figures are out there.

 

[shack]

You know firearms are used in the Olympics for sport, right?

That explains why there are probably over 400 million guns in the U.S. It's the Olympic hopefuls. It seems that your points are getting weaker with each post.

BTW, I think we have established that this is mainly about pistols since, as others pointed out, rifles (not assault rifles) can be used for hunting.

 

[shack]

My takeaway from that post is that you cannot really think of any actual purpose for a pistol that does not involve harming a living entity and cannot be done with some other implement.

Without an answer, the debate is over. You lose.

I've already posted that there's worldwide sport shooting organizations out there with tens of thousands of members. You just choose to ignore it. You saying something over and over again doesn't' make it a fact.

Use the internet.[/QUOTE]
As I said, that is a dumb argument to explain why there are 400 million guns in the U.S.

BTW, even if there are 50,000 members, that would be 8,000 guns each. DUMB argument.

You can't name a single thing that a pistol can do that does not involve harming something and cannot be done using another tool.

 

[Grimnul]

They are far from fine down there, that's for sure. It seems to be the way Americans want things though.

I mean, why not just hold a lottery like in that Shirley Jackson short story every month then? Maybe start having purges like in those mediocre movies? Just drop the pretence and randomly kill a few people every now and then for no reason. That’s basically what they’ve got now, but with a few extra steps.

 

[poorboy]

I mean, why not just hold a lottery like in that Shirley Jackson short story every month then? Maybe start having purges like in those mediocre movies? Just drop the pretence and randomly kill a few people every now and then for no reason. That’s basically what they’ve got now, but with a few extra steps.

It may seem like that, but think about how many firearms there are in the United States versus the amount of violence? There's more firearms than people down there, but day to day, more people die in car accidents than are killed by firearms. How many times in your life have you been involved in a collision where someone died?

Even as a visitor to the U.S., you've probably never seen anyone carrying or using a firearm except for the police. The average person in the U.S. will never be involved in a firearm related crime, so the "It won't happen to me" mentality is probably a factor.

If such a situation should happen, what can you as a victim do? Experts are suggesting your response should be run, hide, fight. What do you do if running and hiding don't work? What do you want to use to fight against a guy who has a gun?

 

[poorboy]

I've already posted that there's worldwide sport shooting organizations out there with tens of thousands of members. You just choose to ignore it. You saying something over and over again doesn't' make it a fact.

Use the internet.

Yes I have. Sport shooting. You just keep ignoring it.

The explanation why there are so many guns in the U.S. is because that's what Americans want. You just keep ignoring that too.

 

[Grimnul]

It may seem like that, but think about how many firearms there are in the United States versus the amount of violence? There's more firearms than people down there, but day to day, more people die in car accidents than are killed by firearms. How many times in your life have you been involved in a collision where someone died?

Even as a visitor to the U.S., you've probably never seen anyone carrying or using a firearm except for the police. The average person in the U.S. will never be involved in a firearm related crime, so the "It won't happen to me" mentality is probably a factor.

If such a situation should happen, what can you as a victim do? Experts are suggesting your response should be run, hide, fight. What do you do if running and hiding don't work? What do you want to use to fight against a guy who has a gun?

I’ve posted my response to the “good guy with a gun” meme several times here already, but the TL;DR is your average person is not a soldier, they’re not trained to be able to respond effectively in an actual combat situation (no matter how many hours they’ve put in at the range), and will be more of a hindrance (and possibly even a danger) than they’d help by trying to shoot back.

 

[poorboy]

I’ve posted my response to the “good guy with a gun” meme several times here already, but the TL;DR is your average person is not a soldier, they’re not trained to be able to respond effectively in an actual combat situation (no matter how many hours they’ve put in at the range), and will be more of a hindrance (and possibly even a danger) than they’d help by trying to shoot back.

Even with the training the police get, there's no guarantee that the police will be able to effectively respond as the skills and abilities of police officers vary much more than say a soldier specifically deployed in an infantry role. What you are going to get is the closest patrol officer responding first, not SWAT.

What is also true is that it will take the police several minutes, if you're lucky enough to be in an urban area with no security pass restrictions locking the doors, for the police to get to you. That's a long time to deal with someone trying to shoot you. If you're in a rural area, it's an even worse situation for you. It could take an hour before the police come.

Something is better than nothing might be the case in those types of scenarios.

 

[shack]

Yes I have. Sport shooting. You just keep ignoring it.

Poor answer. People don't normally go sport shooting with a pistol. And sport shooting cannot explain 400 million guns.

You can't name a single thing that a pistol can do that does not involve harming something and cannot be done using another tool. You keep ignoring my question.

The explanation why there are so many guns in the U.S. is because that's what Americans want. You just keep ignoring that too.

Actually, that fact is clearly evident to everyone with a brain.

My point, which you keep ignoring, is that in spite of the Americans seeing all the killing, injuries and mass murders occurring on a regular basis in which guns are the primary weapon but they do nothing to make any significant changes means that they are condoning the murders. Failing to act on gun violence is tantamount to approval of it.

 

[poorboy]

Poor answer. People don't normally go sport shooting with a pistol. And sport shooting cannot explain 400 million guns.

You can't name a single thing that a pistol can do that does not involve harming something and cannot be done using another tool. You keep ignoring my question.

Actually, that fact is clearly evident to everyone with a brain.

My point, which you keep ignoring, is that in spite of the Americans seeing all the killing, injuries and mass murders occurring on a regular basis in which guns are the primary weapon but they do anything to make any significant changes means that they are condoning the murders. Failing to act on gun violence is tantamount to approval of it.

You've edited so many things, it's messed up the posts.

I'm not ignoring anything. You're the one ignoring the fact pistols can be used for target shooting. That's what they're mostly used for. Use the fucking internet.

Sport shooting is a popular and legitimate sport.

The reason there are so many guns in the US is because that's what Americans buy. Manufacturers aren't giving them away for free.

What I have said many times is that Americans want their guns and they don't want more restrictions. That's the way it is down there.

 

[Frankfooter]

You've edited so many things, it's messed up the posts.

I'm not ignoring anything. You're the one ignoring the fact pistols can be used for target shooting. That's what they're mostly used for. Use the fucking internet.

Sport shooting is a popular and legitimate sport.

The reason there are so many guns in the US is because that's what Americans buy. Manufacturers aren't giving them away for free.

What I have said many times is that Americans want their guns and they don't want more restrictions. That's the way it is down there.

Yeah, but you should just do your target shooting with slingshots.
For one thing, the projectiles for those are almost totally silent, no need for ear protection or silencers.
Secondly, no danger you'll shoot yourself in your balls putting it away.

By the way, cigarettes were really popular for a long time, didn't make them good.

 

[poorboy]

Yeah, but you should just do your target shooting with slingshots.
For one thing, the projectiles for those are almost totally silent, no need for ear protection or silencers.
Secondly, no danger you'll shoot yourself in your balls putting it away.

By the way, cigarettes were really popular for a long time, didn't make them good.

Office and factory workers should be commuting to work in compact cars, not pickup trucks.
For one thing, you save money on fuel, you're also helping the environment.
Secondly, no more hassle looking for a parking space big enough where you can park.

By the way, it's a free country, and people are allowed to make choices.

 

[shack]

What I have said many times is that Americans want their guns and they don't want more restrictions. That's the way it is down there.

I already said that I agree with that.

Let them keep the gun laws the same. But logic would dictate that if nothing changes on the legislative side, then nothing is going to change in terms of gun violence. So anyone can see that by not changing laws/regulations is the same as approving it. Let it happen as long as we don't have to make any changes.

 

[poorboy]

I already said that I agree with that.

Let them keep the gun laws the same. But logic would dictate that if nothing changes on the legislative side, then nothing is going to change in terms of gun violence. So anyone can see that by not changing laws/regulations is the same as approving it. Let it happen as long as we don't have to make any changes.

Problem is criminals don't obey laws. Take a look at the states and cities with the most restrictions like California and Chicago.

Time and time again any proposed federal legislation results in more firearms being sold.

The genie is out of the bottle and can't be put back in.

 

[Frankfooter]

Problem is criminals don't obey laws. Take a look at the states and cities with the most restrictions like California and Chicago.

Time and time again any proposed federal legislation results in more firearms being sold.

The genie is out of the bottle and can't be put back in.

Tell that to Australia.

 

[rafterman]

Tell that to Australia.

And the U.K.

 

[poorboy]

Tell that to Australia.

The United States is not Australia.

Even a left handed monkey with a room temperature IQ knows that.

Canadians are more passive than Americans, and their response to the Quebec long gun registration is non compliance in the range of 75%. Quebec even loosened the registry requirements to encourage registration because of poor participation.

https://montrealgazette.com/news/lo...-but-75-of-quebecs-long-guns-arent-registered

Civil war is a real possibility if the U.S. government tries anything extreme.

FYI, there's more firearms in Australia now than there were before the ban.

Use the internet. Find out the facts.

 

[poorboy]

And the U.K.

See above.

 

[shack]

Problem is criminals don't obey laws. Take a look at the states and cities with the most restrictions like California and Chicago.

Time and time again any proposed federal legislation results in more firearms being sold.

The genie is out of the bottle and can't be put back in.

Tell that to the rest of the civilized world.

 

[derrick76]

It's no consolation but the lefties can't accuse the gunman of being a "white nationalist" or a "white supremacist".

You mean like this one who killed a police officer and tried to kill more?

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-new...-one-police-officer-dead-two-injured-n1007621

In social media posts and pictures, Wilkes identified as an Army veteran, assigned to an airborne infantry unit, and shared pro-Trump posts and memes.

Other posts suggested Wilkes held a far-right political ideology, anti-Muslim views, and an affinity for 4chan, an online image board known as a haven for internet trolls and racist, extremist content.

Apprehended alive.