Katrinna Blue review - March 1, 2018

[Wilson Lawrence]

We just share blacklist

From OIC About us:

"To stay connected with each other we use a professional online private members-only platform called Slack, as our central hub for communications. This is where we connect on industry related issues, discuss OIC activities and matters, nurture social networks and support systems, and cultivate safety structures. As members of OIC, we always conduct ourselves in accordance with our Statement of Values, both with our clients and with our colleagues

Ottawa Independent Companions is run entirely for-and-by sex workers ourselves".

I guess that's as clear as I needed actually.

Why not share this publicly, like Terb? Wouldn't all Ottawa SW's and clients benefit if no confidential information is being shared on SLACK?

The balance of the OIC benefits here just seems tilted heavily to SP at the expense of client anonimity and confidentiality would be my overall comment. We give more, you take more, #gameover

 

[Cryptologic]

is it me or the rates of OIC members are much higher when comparing to providers that are non-members?

also i would expect indy MA rate to be cheaper than spa rate since the door fee is no longer there.

 

[Theredmilf]

@Wilson Lawrence

I am replying just as an individual member but It's very hard to respond to a rant rife with irrational fears and ignorance. You are asking questions, then answering yourself in your own posts. Not much ground for understanding & dialogue here.

I personally do not share my clients information unless he or she has specifically asked me to for the purpose of a refrence, duo or social. I believe as a professional value, this would be generally the same for all in our collective but obviously I cannot speak for others.

Dangerous and bad dates are another story but then I think we can all agree the OIC does not have a monopoly on sharing those. In some cases I've even seen them posted on Twitter.

OIC members similarly do not have a monopoly on screening practices, these are used throughout the industry and by SWs all over the globe. The OIC does not tell members they must screen but we do share information on how to run our businesses safely, professionally and discretely.

You contradict yourself by inciting the need for discretion & then asking for private information to be posted on TERB. That's quite irrational and I'm guessing no clients potentially flagged anywhere would agree with you.

You raise the spectre of legality as if our collective poses a legal risk to you. Name one who was charged so I can take this seriously. Meanwhile we all read about the spa recently charged with human trafficking, we all know of incidents in dodgy hotel rooms, cases of bait & switch, cases of theft. You cannot say with a straight face it's safer visiting isolated providers.

How does the OIC improve client safety & discretion:
By verifying members to reduce or eliminate bait & switch
By only allowing truly independent members admission, no "third parties"
By sharing safe & discrete incalls
By encouraging professional standards
By sharing information on safer sex practices
By sharing references when asked to reduce the need for stringent screening
By keeping information private

If you prefer to see providers who are isolated & do not have access to these resources (and again the OIC does not have a monopoly on community resources) that's your business. However you can't argue convincingly that this is safer & better model for either party.

 

[Cryptologic]

@Wilson Lawrence

I am replying just as an individual member but It's very hard to respond to a rant rife with irrational fears and ignorance. You are asking questions, then answering yourself in your own posts. Not much ground for understanding & dialogue here.

I personally do not share my clients information unless he or she has specifically asked me to for the purpose of a refrence, duo or social. I believe as a professional value, this would be generally the same for all in our collective but obviously I cannot speak for others.

Dangerous and bad dates are another story but then I think we can all agree the OIC does not have a monopoly on sharing those. In some cases I've even seen them posted on Twitter.

OIC members similarly do not have a monopoly on screening practices, these are used throughout the industry and by SWs all over the globe. The OIC does not tell members they must screen but we do share information on how to run our businesses safely, professionally and discretely.

You contradict yourself by inciting the need for discretion & then asking for private information to be posted on TERB. That's quite irrational and I'm guessing no clients potentially flagged anywhere would agree with you.

You raise the spectre of legality as if our collective poses a legal risk to you. Name one who was charged so I can take this seriously. Meanwhile we all read about the spa recently charged with human trafficking, we all know of incidents in dodgy hotel rooms, cases of bait & switch, cases of theft. You cannot say with a straight face it's safer visiting isolated providers.

How does the OIC improve client safety & discretion:
By verifying members to reduce or eliminate bait & switch
By only allowing truly independent members admission, no "third parties"
By sharing safe & discrete incalls
By encouraging professional standards
By sharing information on safer sex practices
By sharing references when asked to reduce the need for stringent screening
By keeping information private

If you prefer to see providers who are isolated & do not have access to these resources (and again the OIC does not have a monopoly on community resources) that's your business. However you can't argue convincingly that this is safer & better model for either party.

don't forget that the cost is significantly higher as well... win win for everyone except for the buyers.

yeah yeah i know it is luxury hobby and if you can't afford it, then save up or see someone else but i just want to state the obvious that all hobbyists are afraid to say it.

 

[Wilson Lawrence]

RedMilf:

No 3rd parties?? How about 60 parties than (who are admitted into OIC based on the reference of 1 member)?

You offer protection at the expense of the clients from my side. That seems a lot more similar to a Mafia.

No client discretion improvement was exampled anywhere, and I didn't contradict myself stating that since client personal information supposedly ISN'T shared on SLACK forum you use in secret, only bad dates and safety stuff, than why the need to hide this in the shadows of privacy if all would potentially benefit from the information?

When you do this all in private, secrecy and truthfulness will always be questionable. This will only push clients to do more of the same, and push clients to more secret forums as well. This isn't done in good faith if operated in secret forums.

Show you one client who has had their information compromised? He can't speak out if this is being used against him, so it's a catch 22.

It's just an opinion, and only to correct misleading information originally shared here about the OIC in your original post.

I got it though and understand the OIC goal:

Ottawa Independent Companions is run entirely for-and-by sex workers ourselves

You've grown this too big without proper controls or client respect. I'm sure you're all great people, but this Incorporated group risks more harm than good when clients could and should be more respected to work out in the long run for everyone.

I'm not buying any of it, others will do as they choose and should be made aware of potential pitfalls here.

Trying to use TTS human trafficking as your example of the local Ottawa competing non-OIC independent providers was quite awful and offensive to those who don't join the OIC mafia. It's always the same thing of trying to villify the opposing viewpoint argument using a non-compatable outlier situation no one likes in an attempt to unjustly promote the OIC brand....

That's just plain ugly and repulsive stuff RM.

Nothing personal.

HAPPY EASTER

 

[Theredmilf]

Higher than who and for what? Personally, my fee is $240h, I have a luxury private incall and offer a high-end scotch. Everyone has their own model and some are more established than others but the rule of thumb is the fee for a decent lawyer in your given city. And obviously it costs more to deal with someone who is making more serious investments in their business or someone low volume. I ran into the same problem in Ottawa running a conventional business, people think they can buy steak for hamburger prices. Doesn't work that way.

don't forget that the cost is significantly higher as well... win win for everyone except for the buyers.

yeah yeah i know it is luxury hobby and if you can't afford it, then save up or see someone else but i just want to state the obvious that all hobbyists are afraid to say it.

 

[Theredmilf]

RedMilf:

No 3rd parties?? How about 60 parties than (who are admitted into OIC based on the reference of 1 member)?

You offer protection at the expense of the clients from my side. That's a mafia.

No client discretion improvement was exampled anywhere, and I didn't contradict myself stating that since client personal information supposedly ISN'T shared on Spark forum you use in secret, only bad dates and safety stuff, why hide this in the shadows of privacy I'd all would potentially benefit. When you do this all in private, secrecy and truthfulness will always be questionable.

Show you one client who has had their information compromised? He can't speak out if this is being used against him, so it's a catch 22.

It's just an opinion, and only to correct misleading information originally shared here about the OIC in your original post.

I got it though and understand the OIC goal:

Ottawa Independent Companions is run entirely for-and-by sex workers ourselves

You've grown this too big without proper controls or client respect. I'm sure you're all great people, but this practice is more harm than good and clients could and should be more respected to work out in the long run.

I'm not buying any of it, others will do as they choose and should be made aware of potential pitfalls here.

HAPPY EASTER

Third party is common parlance for a Pimp or someone profiting financially from my SW. OIC members are independent.

And you're not the target market, I'm fully aware there are some here with an agenda who will never change self-serving views. I'm writing this rather for the overwhelming majority of lurkers & people trying to earnestly to navigate this industry who might prefer to hear facts and logic.

As a heathen I don't celebrate Easter but I will be hunting for eggs in someone's Levi's later if that comforts you.

 

[Theredmilf]

Given that in Ottawa, the supply of Providers seem greater than the demand from clients, I wonder how escorts that have more expensive rates and require screening can sustain a busy schedule since both those things are not attractive to clients. I'm no economics major but I'm good with math and logic lol. I'm also not hating on OIC, I respect everyone's preferences, but I do like to wonder how things work.

Given that the number of restaurants in Ottawa far outnumber demand from diners it's hard to imagine how a restaurant like Beckta survives. I guess people must really like to eat there.

 

[Wilson Lawrence]

I'm not your target market?

Was it the fact that I said you run a mafia-like organization and I'm not at all interested buying any of it?

Just go add me to Secret SLACK so you can discuss it in an echo chamber. I'll only rise again and be comforted knowing the place I don't want to go to doesn't want me to belong to their girls only secret club.

PS:

Ottawa Independent Companions is run entirely for-and-by sex workers ourselves

 

[Theredmilf]

I'm not your target market?

Was it the fact that I said you run a mafia-like organization and I'm not at all interested buying any of it?

Just go add me to Secret SLACK so you can discuss it in an echo chamber. I'll only rise again and be comforted knowing the place I don't want to go to doesn't want me to belong to their girls only secret club.

PS:

Ottawa Independent Companions is run entirely for-and-by sex workers ourselves

When you're ready to remove the tinfoil from your head & join a rational conversation, let us know. Until then I believe Info Wars has an opening.

PS the Steelworkers Union apologizes for not asking you to serve on their board, the Mensa Society called for you, apparently they only take smart people. I also personally apologize for not inviting you to my Grade 5 birthday.

 

[Wilson Lawrence]

When you're ready to remove the tinfoil from your head & join a rational conversation, let us know. Until then I believe Info Wars has an opening.

PS the Steelworkers Union apologizes for not asking you to serve on their board, the Mensa Society called for you, apparently they only take smart people. I also personally apologize for not inviting you to my Grade 5 birthday.

Well you definitely have my respect now.

I'd love to throw you my best Alex Jones "The water is turning the frogs gay!!" here, but I'm actually more of an Owen Schroyer and Kaitlyn Bennett fan, which would likely not be well received.

As I said, nothing personal, I'm challenging the topic at hand but you are now just going after the individual. Usually that means you lost the argument, but this tinfoil may just be too tight

#CNNplaybook

PS - Congrats on 5th grade and sorry I missed the party! Amazing! Now onto grade 6!

PPS - Steelworkers union likely missing out here because I really do enjoy laying pipe and have lots to offer.

Thanks

 

[Emilie_Spade]

Doesn't the OIC share client information with the other 60 or so and growing daily SP OIC members? Both the good and bad client information, or just bad client lists and clients who said something they didn't like? Does a new OIC member add her client history when added, or just their bad clients? Honestly curious here if OIC board of governors are willing to clarify.

I'm not trying to say your physical safety isn't improved doing this, I agree it does make you safer, but it shouldn't sacrifice client IRL confidentiality through what some see as overly intrusive client screening to achieve this. There are more convential ways where client confidentiality is respected I feel, but all can operate as they choose appropriate.

To say client 'discretion' is improved somehow through OIC is untrue, not sure why you'd add this as a client benefit through OIC, improved client discretion? How?

The OIC label for some clients is a detractant as you are automatically no longer dealing in a 1 on 1 exchange of confidentiality.

I'll provide screening info when they provide it to me as well, exact same information as requested. The current laws don't protect the clients. #thanksjustin

Being a 'professional' OIC SP as described above is just spin for older and wiser to their own needs before others are considered. This is their history.

Defending the other OIC members and screw everyone else would be a more accurate and honest mission statement as I see it in their comments here and on Twitter.

I have no interest taking on a potential wolfpack, you lose if the Wolfpack says you do, especially when they hold your screening info. Mob rule. Not interested.

The OIC members share a WARNING list, not a blacklist. Label it however you want though. People can be added to the warning list and still be seen by other people. Each provider has their own level of comfort and boundaries. Some may see that what a client does is worth of a blacklist, and some do not. Providers are free to see anyone they would like because the OIC is not an agency, providers book their own clients. Most providers will not see blacklisted clients because they don't want to risk having the same experience. Some clients aren't blacklisted but we avoid anyways because they will send us "hey" or "rates?" texts. Some of those people may assume they are blacklisted, lash out and then, ironically end up on the warnings list for their inappropriate behaviour.

Anywho, about OP's post, he mentions something mental illness and talks about how OIC members talk about having their own struggles with them. OP sent me an email saying, and I quote: " I have seen your profile on both OIC and Twitter and you're quite beautiful. I would like to ask a question. You see, in 2017 and 2018 I was a regular of another beautiful young lady and I truly enjoyed her company. However, she suffered from borderline personality disorder and often she would cancel appointments due to this condition. In 2019, I am looking for a lady who is reliable, down-to-earth. compassionate and doesn't suffer from a serious mental illness such as BPD. Could that be you, Emilie?"

As soon as I read this email, I knew he was referring Katrinna Blue. There is such a negative connotation, demanding that his next provider be mental illness free despite OP's post about how he feels that none of the providers can sympathize or empathize with his own struggles (surprise, there's a whole section on OIC with disability friendly providers) . I politely told him, in my words, "Hey there *redacted*! Thank you for reaching out to me and I’m pleased to hear that you found me though OIC. However, I will inform you that I as well have borderline personality disorder that is well managed with therapy and medication. I have learned how to cope with the desire to avoid my responsibilities or isolate myself."

So, as we can see here, OP found me through OIC which I think is fantastic and makes me chuckle that he wants to burn the witch, being OIC but is still using the site to find providers . I never said anything about not being able to see him by the way.

I am reading comments and just thinking "Maybe Katrinna stopped seeing this man because his awful energy was consuming hers." Judging her for liking zucchini?!? I would never want to see a client who cares about that kind of stuff. I think we can all see by his post, made on his second TERB account, because his first one was banned, why Kat stopped seeing him and why OIC will not give him a chance to reconsolidate.

 

[Wilson Lawrence]

The OIC members share a WARNING list, not a blacklist. Label it however you want though.

We just share blacklist

Yeah... that was Malika who labelled and confirmed it here, not I.

So ummmm... Whatever I guess.

#Mensa

PS - OP was vindictive and unfair to slander Katrinna for something that happened in March 2018, agreed. He had positive things to say about her in February 2019, but now unfairly and unnecessarily lashing out at her in frustration:

https://terb.cc/vbulletin/showthrea...ions-Tall-SP-GFE-or-PSE&p=6341710#post6341710

Not very helpful to his own plight as he's autistic (or form of) he said, and perhaps struggling and using improper language and methods to respond.

Food for thought before maybe adding chuckles and 'labelling' him as awful energy while attempting to expose him further.

OP Blackfield - If you need some help finding your new SP please feel free to PM me here and maybe I can offer you some suggestions that could work for you outside of the OIC listings. Lotsa of providers out there and Terb members here willing to help you out.

Funny how this works that the negative actions of a few removes a potential client or 2000 reading this for 60 others OIC members, must be those damn pesky clients fault again, not theirs.

I really can't understand why some of these supportive OIC ladies don't get more respect around here? Personal attacks and all the goodness.... I'm definitely hard.

 

[MaverickPunter]

Looks like the OP burned his bridges with the OIC. No dancing with the ladies at the socials.

Have visited Hannah Simpson, a slender Green-eyed Goddess.

Fiora looks intriguingly acrobatic and mischievous. A sweet l'il Spinner with a twinkle in her eye.

Tasha and Dahlia are interesting.

If granted an audience, may cross the Narrow Sea to visit the Red Woman. Winter is here.

 

[Theredmilf]

As I said, nothing personal, I'm challenging the topic at hand but you are now just going after the individual

Using overblown characterizations like "mafia" and "wolf pack" to describe a benevolent collective deserves an equally outrageous answer. You missed nazis & witches btw.

 

[Theredmilf]

OP was vindictive and unfair to slander Katrinna for something that happened in March 2018, agreed. He had positive things to say about her in February 2019, but now unfairly and unnecessarily lashing out at her in frustration:

https://terb.cc/vbulletin/showthrea...ions-Tall-SP-GFE-or-PSE&p=6341710#post6341710

Finally, an honest comment! This supposed review was a shambolic attempt to blame the OIC for a situation the client created himself. This is completely unfair to Kat. Also unfair to our group who are merely trying to do something positive & be better providers.

 

[Wilson Lawrence]

You can always say you're better and safer than the human trafficking. I agree.

Any shame on OIC was only caused by your derision of the facts and potential risks at play for the clients.

Once again, we all know who benefits from the OIC, and who doesn't, it's right in your statement of values. Some will risk it, but most won't.

Wolfpack and mafia aren't personal attacks, you're just one member and I haven't attacked you once milfer. Do your thang! I'll be here not caring and correcting misleading information.

#grade6 #facts #mensa

 

[OttAficionado]

For what it's worth I have seen eleven of the OIC providers listed in the Twitter members group and every one was a wonderful experience. I would not hesitate to repeat, recommend, or meet anyone else off that list. To be fair, I did have one experience that was a bit disappointing but it was a communication issue and I do not fault the provider. To paint them all with the same broad brush is extremely unfair and does a disservice to some very lovely local ladies.

A.

 

[arejayell]

For what it's worth I have seen eleven of the OIC providers listed in the Twitter members group and every one was a wonderful experience.

A.

For what it's worth I have seen ten OIC providers although mostly before there was an OIC. I have tried to be fully supportive of their initiative and values and have been able to enjoy some of their socials. What impresses me most is their openness about support, shared knowledge and safety for each other in what can be an isolating profession.

Who am I or really anyone to tell them how to run their business, remembering that they are each independent members with their own set of criteria. I have never felt at Risk when visiting any member of the OIC, unless they were attacking Irkutsk from Kamchatka.

 

[Cassie.King]

The OP has a previous history of bad dates, not just with OIC members but with other providers in the Ottawa area. I was first made aware of his poor behavior by an Indy provider who I won't name, because she does struggle with mental health issues, including BPD. His reference to BPD may not have been about Katrina but possibly about this provider as well.

All this aside, just the fact that the OP ended with insinuating that if it weren't for the "generosity" of you clients many of us SWs would be destitute and homeless... WOW !
SWs provide a service. Clients pay for the time and services just like any other business. That is not generosity! To insult SWs like that should automatically put you on anyone's blacklist.

PS. Also on another note. I have the utmost respect for the OIC and what they have and are trying to accomplish for both SWs and clients in the Ottawa area.
I reached out to them inquiring about a workshop and if I could attend as a non member. They screened me just as they would a client. They are not showing bias to just the safety of their own members!

PSS. Ignore the fear mongering and ranting. The OIC isn't a "mafia"?!? Like, seriously? That is really some Infowars next level BS. Don't drink the Kool Aid folks. But I would love to share a Scotch with The RedMilf !