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Has The Definition Of GFE/PSE Changed Over The Years? WTF

simba_one

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Best sessions I've ever had were always those individuals that I've clicked with. When the chemistry is just right their is no need for a menu. Prefer when the energy between me and my partner of the day just flows.
 

Scarey

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Before 1995 BBBJ was very rare and usually only offered by street girls …..crazy ones at that. Never, ever thought i'd see the day when it would be considered a semi norm.
 

Kirby2006

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Best sessions I've ever had were always those individuals that I've clicked with. When the chemistry is just right their is no need for a menu. Prefer when the energy between me and my partner of the day just flows.
Exactly. 9 times out of 10 or more if you go with the flow and want both of you to have as much fun as possible you will attain a full GFE and often more with energy and passion.

I'm speculating here because I've never approached it this way but coming in with a laundry list of acronyms seems to me like handing her a work order. You may get your acronyms fulfilled but likely in a workmanlike fashion. I wouldn't consider this GFE.
 

NotADcotor

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Just define your terms and all is well.

I find it odd when you get different rates for GFE and PSE and VIP[whatever that is] without any mention of what is covered. Then if you were to ask you could potentially be labeled as a "time waster".
I'd rather stick with someone whose ads are more communicative and less vague.
 

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I'd like an explanation as to what "open minded" is meant to imply?
Keep an open mind as to what it may entail and you'll understand.
 

shack

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I find it odd when you get different rates for GFE and PSE and VIP[whatever that is] without any mention of what is covered. Then if you were to ask you could potentially be labeled as a "time waster".
I'd rather stick with someone who...
...does not have multi-tiered pricing.
 
This is all so silly. Some may have heard my sermon before!

I was one of the first to coin the term GFE, back on alt.sex.prostitution newsgroup before there were websites and we used 300 baud packet readers on dialups. It had absolutey nothing whatsoever to do with sex acts. It was a real connection for the moment between humans that often involved sensuality, hugging, carressing and a real connection for the moment . Since then it has been hijacked into all sorts of silly sexual, high risk acts etc that is far different from the orignal meaning. Gee, I should have trademarked it or something :(

GFE has always been my prime interest not just sex acts.
 

simba_one

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This is all so silly. Some may have heard my sermon before!

I was one of the first to coin the term GFE, back on alt.sex.prostitution newsgroup before there were websites and we used 300 baud packet readers on dialups. It had absolutey nothing whatsoever to do with sex acts. It was a real connection for the moment between humans that often involved sensuality, hugging, carressing and a real connection for the moment . Since then it has been hijacked into all sorts of silly sexual, high risk acts etc that is far different from the orignal meaning. Gee, I should have trademarked it or something :(

GFE has always been my prime interest not just sex acts.
Thank you for sharing your insight.

I’m think that I might write a review on what GFE means to me. To do that I’ll need to start a new thread.
 

DirtyMiind

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After reading the thread I've got to say I'm surprised how many people agree with CIM being PSE. I could never even contemplate dating a girl who doesn't allow me to CIM, let alone call her my GF or wife. Every bj will end in a hj? No thanks.
 

likwid

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After reading the thread I've got to say I'm surprised how many people agree with CIM being PSE. I could never even contemplate dating a girl who doesn't allow me to CIM, let alone call her my GF or wife. Every bj will end in a hj? No thanks.
GFE should be what it implies. A GF that doesn’t do bbbjcim and DFK in 2019 is not GF to date. However the increased prevalence of porn has blurred the lines between PSE and GFE, but I’d say FF, DT, going hard, rimming are some PSE services. Safe GFE May be a better term for cbj, no kissing, no cim type service or “why would I be paying for this” type service ;)
 

SexB

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GFE should be what it implies. A GF that doesn’t do bbbjcim and DFK in 2019 is not GF to date. However the increased prevalence of porn has blurred the lines between PSE and GFE, but I’d say FF, DT, going hard, rimming are some PSE services. Safe GFE May be a better term for cbj, no kissing, no cim type service or “why would I be paying for this” type service ;)
I've had GFE dates that had some PSE elements to them.

Even a few that had some S/M and domination elements to them.
 

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Howdy Folks,

Many gentlemen have been texting me with the following question: "Do you offer Full GFE cim, cof, greek?"

WHEN i first started out as a companion, GFE was the following services: lfk/dfk, daty/digits, cbj/bbbj, russians/pearls (YMMV for all services, but usually all allowed unless the guy was absolutely filthy or something.)

PSE was considered cim cof and sometimes Greek as well as all the other services listed above.

QUESTION: If GFE now includes ALL the above-noted services, what makes PSE different now?

WTF!
Many of those "gentlemen" knows exactly what GFE meaning. They just hoping to get PSE , but they don't want to pay for it.
Nothing changed about those terms.
 

blueman

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We do need to update the terms for the modern age because the current definitions are appalling. I mean, why would a man living in 2018 date a girl that doesn't allow cim, cof, and Greek? It's all GFE.

PSE should be re-defined as bareback everything, plus photo/video recording, elaborate scenarios/requests. Nobody watches porn where the guy is wearing a condom. It's all lights, camera, action.

BSDM should be called the Wife Experience. You pay lots of money to be abused and get no sex.

BULL SHIT.

PSE is not BB.

It's attitude and willingness offer a porn star like experience with CFS
 

jazzbox

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Frankly, the escort and MA markets are saturated with providers and increased competition drives providers to be more liberal in what they will allow. I am not saying this is good but it is something I am seeing. PSE tends to mean greek, CIM, CIMSW and in some instances FS without a condom. Fortunately, the latter service is not sought by most men and, also, a line that most providers will not cross. Of course, there are always some that want to compete for the Darwin Award.

Howdy Folks,

Many gentlemen have been texting me with the following question: "Do you offer Full GFE cim, cof, greek?"

WHEN i first started out as a companion, GFE was the following services: lfk/dfk, daty/digits, cbj/bbbj, russians/pearls (YMMV for all services, but usually all allowed unless the guy was absolutely filthy or something.)

PSE was considered cim cof and sometimes Greek as well as all the other services listed above.

QUESTION: If GFE now includes ALL the above-noted services, what makes PSE different now?

WTF!
 

rhuarc29

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The problem with the acronyms GFE and PSE is that they don't properly define shit. Some girlfriends do some wild things and some pornstars are more constrained in what they do. Therefore, GFE and PSE are piss-poor ways to describe what is available in a session.
Of course, we wouldn't have to resort to such in-concise language if our society was mature enough to accept sex work as legitimate work.
 
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